Ratios and Classroom Management
By DW Davis
@DWDavis (25797)
United States
January 12, 2017 5:09pm CST
Administrators, from the Assistant Principal on up, are always telling teachers that classroom management is the key to effective learning taking place in the classroom. In theory, and in practice, I agree completely.
Administrators at Central Office and the State Department of Instruction believe that all classroom management failures are the fault of the teachers. I disagree with that completely, in theory and in practice.
Take one of my four 7th grade math classes for instance. My first period class, as a group, is barely manageable. There are 28 students in the class. Of those 28, 17 do math at a 4th grade level or lower. (That’s a 17:11 ratio of those at least 3 grades behind to those less than 3 grades behind.) Precisely 1 student is actually working at grade level. (That’s a 1:27 ratio of students at grade level to students not at grade level.) The other 10 are at a 5th or 6th grade level.
Despite all but 1 student in the class needing some level of remediation, I am required to teach them the 7th grade curriculum at a 7th grade level. You can imagine what happens when students who understand math at a 3rd or 4th grade level tune out because they cannot understand what I’m teaching. I do my best to break it down as much as I can, and to differentiate for those students, but am constricted by the requirement to complete the 7th grade curriculum and prepare them for the 7th grade End-of-Grade test.
Adding in many of these students inbred need to talk incessantly whenever the teacher stops for a breath, and sometimes while the teacher is teaching, and it becomes impossible to teach for a full period because so much of the period is spent getting them quiet and back on task. We’ve made phone calls home, had conferences, elicited promises from parents, sent kids to other classrooms, sent kids to Time Out, some have been sent home for a day or two, and still there is no improvement in their behavior.
There is a reason such a large fraction of these students doesn’t seem to care about school. Many of these kids come from a background that doesn’t give them hope for the future, thus they don’t see the importance of getting an education. Young people who think all the doors to a better life are closed for them have a hard time accepting the idea that a good education is their key to a brighter future.
My colleagues and I are feeling a lot of frustration because we are doing everything we can to make lessons interesting and engaging. We try to convince these children that we care about them and their futures. Yet, all the while we’re being told we’re not doing enough by higher administration and politicians.
It’s no wonder there is an impending teacher shortage in this country. Why would anyone in their right mind want to become a teacher in this current political and educational environment?
Sorry for ranting. I just needed to get that off my chest.
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@teamfreak16 (43567)
• Denver, Colorado
13 Jan 17
I have always admired teachers, but I don't envy you guys one bit. I couldn't do it.
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@crossbones27 (52907)
• Mojave, California
13 Jan 17
We are definitely teaching way to many kids at once in a single classroom. I am sure that is just part of the problem, but when I was in High school we averaged 32 kids per classroom and our school district was wealthy compared to many others as far as funding goes. In fact, back before 2008 or maybe right around there when things crashed and they were cutting left and right in the school system here. We were building a brand new high school because of overcrowded classrooms.
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@crossbones27 (52907)
• Mojave, California
13 Jan 17
@DWDavis That is ridiculous That makes it very hard to learn and teach when it is like that.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
13 Jan 17
@crossbones27 Fortunately, most of the kids in the class were academically gifted or able learners so discipline wasn't much of an issue. If I'd had 37 kids like I have in my homeroom now, I probably would have gone back to accounting.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
13 Jan 17
One of the first things the Republicans did when they took over the state legislature here was eliminate caps on class size. Now, by law, we can have as many students in a classroom as the Fire Marshall will allow. A few years ago, I taught a class in a trailer with 37 students in the class.
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@GardenGerty (169406)
• United States
31 Jan 17
It starts as early as preschool. I really feel for you. At least my students have been identified as special needs, but they do have that gap. One year at preschool our teaching team kept asking for help with a particular class. In our case, the administrators of the program understood, but the school psych and the head of the special ed co op kept telling us that we had not taught them the rules or showed them the expectations. That is in spite of the fact that the morning class we had did fine. The head of the special ed co op then came to observe one day. He apologized, and said that had to be the worst combination of students he had ever seen. We felt vindicated. I am in an elementary school now. I work with two (very different from each other) autistic boys. I also work with two fourth grade students who are labeled "intellectually disabled". We need another para, not gonna happen. I can just imagine when this crew becomes teens, it will be worse.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Jan 17
remember in the old m ylot a lot of members were still in high school and bragged how they listened to cell phones and shut out the teacher from math classes I was appalled at the way they did not care about getting an education
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@DianneN (254949)
• United States
12 Jan 17
Tell me about it! Your rant is good for you, but will make no difference to the powers that be. I also had to teach grade level math to my 6th graders. All of them were on the first and second grade level, and I'm being generous. I had to modify the curriculum for each and every student. I just can't talk about it anymore. I had the same thing with reading, language arts, blah, blah, blah. I'm so grateful to have retired early. As my husband told me, take it one day at a time and do the best you can.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
13 Jan 17
I knew you would understand. What galls me is I'd prepared a plan for remediation that wouldn't have taken any class time because the students would complete the work at home or when we had a few extra minutes in class, but my Principal nixed the idea and told me to keep everything grade level.
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@JohnRoberts (109841)
• Los Angeles, California
13 Jan 17
I agree. You are a brave soul and I think administration and the powers that be are more unruly than your students.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
13 Jan 17
Sadly, once you get up higher than the local Principal, most administrators are a bunch of Pollyannas looking at the world through rose colored glasses who still think all students behave the way students are portrayed in 1960s sitcoms like Leave It To Beaver and My Three Sons.
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@Poppylicious (11134)
• United Kingdom
13 Jan 17
If it's any consolation it is the same here. I think it's a worldwide issue. I then work with the English equivalent {and many eastern European, Pakistani, etc.} of your students once they've been through school and have to continue to study Maths and English if they didn't achieve a C grade or above in their GCSE exams {which they take at 16}. You can imagine what that's like! But government know best. So it goes.
@JudyEv (381739)
• Rockingham, Australia
13 Jan 17
I am sure it is very similar here. Parents don't help sometimes as they don't see the benefit of education either. Sometimes there is dole mentality and the kids might be 3rd generation that will never hold a job. And I am pretty sure kids are passed on into the next grade whether they coped in the last one or not. I admire all teachers for the work you do and especially for the work you try to do with some of these students.
@magallon (19279)
• Philippines
13 Jan 17
Students nowadays have very different behavior from the students in our time.
It is really difficult to control their behavior especially if there are too many of them inside the classroom.
For me, 25 to 30 pupils are still manageable but beyond that number like 40 or 50, i think you will sweat too much and lose your voice just to keep them quiet and listen to your discussion.
Public schools here have that scenario.. Too crowded classrooms.
I don't think that the pupils are still learning. Maybe some , yes, but not all.
But they say that, it really depends in classroom management and on the strategies or techniques that the teacher is using...










