"Free will" is God's Alibi for a Botched Job
By josefina
@josie_ (9763)
Philippines
May 27, 2019 11:07pm CST
This discussion assume that "God" exist.
Have you ever work for a boss who never takes command responsibility? Or worse blame those working under him, uses his subordinates as scapegoats for mistakes due diligent demanded of HIS position.
I don't believe in "Free will" as define by religion. Choices we make will always be determine and constrain by external forces.
Assuming that God gave us "free-will". Does that imply we are outside God's agency of divine providence? Apparently not if you listen to religious leaders exacting obedience from their followers to the laws supposedly laid down by "God".
Then again, don't you ever wonder why God decided to give us "free-will"? Isn't it like setting up the fall guy? Are we merely the patsy in his Divine plan?
If God was the CEO of a large corporation, a cursory review of the work he has done on planet Earth would have him pounding the streets looking for another job. Fortunately he has us to blame.
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8 responses
@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
28 May 19
You know, there is surely something wrong in the holy books that MEN wrote. It is written in the Genesis
"So God created man in His own image...."
This sentence is pure heresy! How can be a perfect God identical to humans?
What is written was not written by God of course.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
29 May 19
@josie_ Have you ever noticed how much the news change according to which media report the news? Why had to be different in the past? Not to mention that the Bible was written centuries after the events happened. You surely know how very little we can trust witness, imagine if behind there is in addition political and religious manipulation.
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@josie_ (9763)
• Philippines
29 May 19
How the Bible came to be what it is today is an interesting story in itself. Even today it's text is open to numerous interpretation. Conflicts and divisiveness have resulted because of how church and political leaders use religion to forward their own agenda.
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@allknowing (130066)
• India
28 May 19
It is folly to try and decipher religious teachings. I believe in the norm God of one's understanding.
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@allknowing (130066)
• India
28 May 19
@josie_ It is left to the individual to follow or not to follow.
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@josie_ (9763)
• Philippines
28 May 19
Genesis 2:16-17
~ And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
If you are right about free will being under the prerogative of Man. Then it's a good thing Adam and Eve disobeyed God. For without being able to tell right from wrong, what use is free will?
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@Nakitakona (56302)
• Philippines
2 Jun 19
God's has given us the gift of agency or freewill to choose good or evil. If we evil we suffer the consequences. If we choose good, we enjoy the blessings on it. That's how God treats us as His spirit children. If you're forced or compelled to do things against your will, are you happy?
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@josie_ (9763)
• Philippines
2 Jun 19
There is no argument about cause and effect. In a society, there are rules and laws that protect the rights of individuals. Break the rules and you face the consequences. Temporal legal law is a necessity for order in society. I'm not sure about arcane"Divine law" which has become antiquated and serves no purpose in our world today.
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@Nakitakona (56302)
• Philippines
2 Jun 19
@josie_ You're talking about God who could be comparable to CEO. There's a great difference between God and man. God is perfect. Man is not. I don't have to argue more.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
3 Jun 19
Seems like religion has corrupted your view. God has a Masterpiece with this world. What is it that you are missing?
God is above the petty things mankind holds so dear such as Blame.
Free will is an important part of things. I would not count on God being helpless under a realm of free will. Free will is a guaranty you are the one making the choice. You could never learn without free will.
When you Understand the Goal of this world, you will have a clearer picture of how no CEO could handle the management of it.
Look closer at this world beyond the surface. There is Genius behind it all.
You are not Hated and Condemned. You are Loved Unconditionally.
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@innertalks (21026)
• Australia
20 Jun 19
Does free will give purpose, and how is it related to mere choice?
Did God really give us free will, or not then, or is it just limited to freedom of choice between existing options?
This is how I see it working.
Free will sits on the top of love, and sinks to the bottom, or remains at the top, depending on our choices.
If we choose well, our choices uplift us then, and we become consciously alive to love, but choose badly, and we sink to the bottom of love, with little consciousness to it, of it, at all.
Consciousness builds by a continued line of right choices, reinforcing each other, so when we choose God, or the best solution, this lifts our consciousness, building it more, but bad choices, not fashioned on the whole, or of loving God and all, drops our concept of being into a dark hole, where consciousness is blocked off from us by our own beliefs, greedy dispositions, and selfishnesses.
Free will then is a limited one which merely refers to our freedom to make either good or bad choices, in our lives.
Once the choice is made, there are always consequences that result from each choice too.
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There are usually signs amongst the long grass, but it is our choice whether to follow them, or not.
We can even choose to cut the grass, to enable us to have a better chance of seeing these signs, and as long as we do not destroy the signs also in the process, this can be a good idea, at times.
@innertalks (21026)
• Australia
21 Jun 19
@josie_ If what you say is true, there is no such thing as ultimate free will. It is a mere philosophical ideal.
Even God, if he exists, would not be able to exercise total free will. Every time he creates, he would be effectively restricted by his own creation, however long he allows it to keep existing.
To allow creation to continue with a partial free will of its own, God would have to mostly sit on his own hands, while this is going on, perhaps only monitoring it all, from time to time.
Once laws are created, everything is restricted by them, even God himself.
Had God got the free will to destroy himself, for example?
We have the free will to be able to choose to jump off of a cliff, killing ourselves, but this is only because of the laws already in place, which restricts our freedom, so there are results of our choices, consequences of our actions.
This applies to God too. There are consequences of his actions. Results arise from his choices too.
@josie_ (9763)
• Philippines
21 Jun 19
If there are consequences from our use of free will, it follows that free will isn't free at all. A predetermine path already exist that is automatically put into effect the moment we choose any actions.
As in the question, "Are you breathing, or is breathing happening to you?", the idea that we are capable of developing a higher consciousness can become a practice in self-deception. If it already "exist" within us, any further man-made attempt to perfect it would be unnecessary.
The idea of "love" will always be flawed because there is an impermanence build into it. It's disposition is also given to the flow and ebb of human frailties.
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