Hagioscopes and leper windows

@JudyEv (381905)
Rockingham, Australia
August 20, 2019 8:38pm CST
My last discussion was about a ‘squint’ in a church. As it seems many myLotters have never heard of squints (and neither had I) I did some research on them. They are more properly called ‘hagioscopes’ and aren’t particularly common. I couldn’t find anything to say that they were only found in Catholic churches. Hagioscopes were splayed openings through internal walls which allowed a view of the altar which would not otherwise be possible. It might connect a private or side-chapel to the main altar, allowing, perhaps, an order of enclosed nuns to follow the service. Some hagioscopes were made in external walls and these were called ‘leper windows’ or ‘lychnoscopes’. These allowed lepers or other undesirables to follow the service without mixing with the rest of the congregation. There are very few in continental Europe although Anna says they are seen in churches in Switzerland. I couldn’t find reference to any other Australian churches with hagioscopes. Monsignor Hawes, who built the church at Mullewa (which has a squint), was from England and an Anglican before switching to Catholicism so I guess he was familiar with squints. Monsignor Hawes had a Jack Russell dog, Dominie, and I wrote about him recently too. The photo shows Hawes bedroom with a hole in the whole so Dominie could go in and out at will.
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@Tampa_girl7 (54714)
• United States
21 Aug 19
This was interesting to read.
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@Tampa_girl7 (54714)
• United States
22 Aug 19
@JudyEv Spending time in Mylot can be very educational.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
I'm glad you enjoyed it. When I find something I didn't know about I'm always keen to share it here. :)
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
@Tampa_girl7 I have learnt such a lot here.
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• United States
21 Aug 19
'n ol' fashioned pup door. mercy if'n the monsignor 'twas jest not brilliant'n what seems all matters 'f buildin' - not jest buildin's, but folks's well. i don't feel so bad now, since ya aint found that many either, lol.
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• United States
21 Aug 19
@JudyEv a modest man with jest the necessities. i'm jest so thrilled that all 'tis so well maintained. what a legacy to leave the world.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
@crazyhorseladycx He was a Franciscan monk who vowed poverty. He would have been an absolute Godsend (pardon the pun) to those tiny communities in those times.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
Maybe it was the original doggie door. The priest house was finished in 1929 so perhaps it is a very early example. Pictured is the tiny hut he built for himself in Morawa. It is the length of a bed and has a fireplace and that's about it. It is situated just behind another church he built.
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@rebelann (117211)
• El Paso, Texas
21 Aug 19
I didn't know the name of them but in many period piece novels about ancient English nobility that I read the reference would be made about a clergyman spying on individuals in the church. At least now it makes more sense as to why those 'peep' holes existed.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
I guess that could be another use for them but the view would be very restricted. You could only see the altar through this one. It's nowhere near as big as a window.
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@rebelann (117211)
• El Paso, Texas
21 Aug 19
Yes, I understood that @JudyEv but in those books the authors used the idea of someone spying and never really referenced how small those holes really were.
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@just4him (323168)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
21 Aug 19
I hope his home wasn't in cold country or that room would get very cold in winter. More great information about that hole in the wall.
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@just4him (323168)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
22 Aug 19
@JudyEv That's good.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
It was very, very hot in those areas especially in summer. When he first went there, he found it very enervating.
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@Deepizzaguy (122105)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
21 Aug 19
Thank you for sharing the story of squints inside of churches.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
You're welcome.
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@Deepizzaguy (122105)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
22 Aug 19
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• Belews Creek, North Carolina
21 Aug 19
Interesting stuff. I thought at first that the photo was supposed to show a hagioscope or a leper window and I was trying to figure out why it was so close to the floor and looked so suspiciously like a pet door.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
Haha - well, now you know! I had a photo of the squint in Mullewa church in this post: https://www.mylot.com/post/3299529/does-your-church-have-a-squint. I'll add it here as well as it's so interesting.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
@SophiaMorros It's impossible to keep up if you're away for any length of time.
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• Belews Creek, North Carolina
22 Aug 19
@JudyEv thanks. I need to go back and catch up on discussions that I missed.
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@shaggin (74988)
• United States
21 Aug 19
That sounds really kind if they did it for the Lepers. I have never heard of this before so thanks you for posting this!
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@shaggin (74988)
• United States
21 Aug 19
@JudyEv I believe they were written about in the Bible so seems they could have been in other places too but I could be wrong.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
Wikipedia says that in France, the hagioscope of Notre Dame in Dives-sur-Mer, Normandy, has the inscription trou aux lépreux (leper window). I didn't know they had lepers in France. I thought it was only Africa.
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@snowy22315 (208801)
• United States
21 Aug 19
That is a new one on me!
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
Intriguing, isn't it?
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• China
21 Aug 19
Interesting post ! I knew nothing about Catholicism before,let alone squint and the like.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
I'm not sure that the squint is just in Catholic churches but it could be.
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@DianneN (254949)
• United States
21 Aug 19
They sound very similar to the slats in castle walls for viewing enemies and shooting them with arrows.
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@DianneN (254949)
• United States
27 Aug 19
@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
And they look very similar too except most are between interior walls.
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@andriaperry (118793)
• Anniston, Alabama
21 Aug 19
Wow I did not know about all this, thanks.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
I always wonder if people are as intrigued by this sort of stuff as I am - or if I am the only one who didn't know about it.
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@Hannihar (130150)
• Israel
2 Sep 19
@JudyEv I see the hole. Thanks for sharing that information with us.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Sep 19
You're welcome.
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@JustBhem (70555)
• Davao, Philippines
21 Aug 19
I have seen movies having that for dogs and I find it cute.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
It's nice that people think of the needs of their pets.
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@Starkinds (32737)
• India
21 Aug 19
Thanks for sharing it's great
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
21 Aug 19
You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed reading about them.
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@Starkinds (32737)
• India
21 Aug 19
@JudyEv why dot it is very interesting
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@jstory07 (148731)
• Roseburg, Oregon
21 Aug 19
That is very interesting. I like learning about new things.
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@JudyEv (381905)
• Rockingham, Australia
22 Aug 19
I am alway learning new things on myLot too.
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