The media doesn't decide who our president is

@hardtimes1958 I have not said who is the official winner is there but if the courts have decided on the matter then all of you should accept it whether it is in favor or not with everyone.

@hardtimes1958 Yeah, we shouldn't accept it and move until it is official, assuming that Biden wins.

We will know the official winner in January.

We'll see what happens when this is over.

@lovebuglena oh ya. I mean Biden wins

It could very well come to that. Wouldn't have happened if Dems wouldn't go out of their way to cheat and commit voter fraud just to keep Trump out of office.

I wasn't really knowledgeable about the whole electoral college process but now that I know how things work and when things happen it is weird to me. The winner is projected in November but officially the president is pronounced in January. I wonder if it ever happened that the winner of the actual electoral votes in December ever came to be the one who was not the projected winner. I read that the electors don't necessarily have to vote for the person that had won that particular state.

What senate hearings are you referring to?

@Namelesss I am not sure if it was on TV or just online but I've watched some hearings with hubby. Mainstream media might not have shown them. But even with all the hearings many still claim there was no evidence of fraud and that everything was fair.

@lovebuglena The ones that have been going on in the swing states the last week. When they do cover it they show just enough of a tiny snippet to claim 'nothing to see here folks' or 'there is no fraud' rather than showing the hearings so people can see and judge for themselves.

The states have to certify their results and then electors actually vote, which this year is on December 14th, and then on January 6th Congress certifies those votes. After that it becomes official. But aside from that the state of Georgia has not been called yet and there is supposed to be a recount there. And Trump is challenging things, so there are lawsuits, which means things are not over yet. The whole process is rather weird. We vote on first Tuesday in November and yet the candidate officially becomes president in January after the electors actually vote. The winner is projected soon after the election but I wonder if the official electoral votes remain the same as the projected electoral votes and the outcome remains the same, assuming everything is legit.

@thelme55 I didn't know all this before until I read up on it recently. Knowing this how can people consider the projected winner the actual winner and hence president until it is official? Hard for me to do that.

@lovebuglena I see. Thanks for the heads up.

The race has been called by the media. But are the 290/214 numbers even final? Definitely not. The race hasn't even been called in some states yet.

@lovebuglena I think it is being declared now, right?

It sure is. I didn't know much about how this works prior to this election. Now I know better.

@Shavkat What is being declared?

@lovebuglena Of course they will and have been

Yep. Whatever happens today with the electors voting is not final but I am pretty sure all the mass media will congratulate Biden on winning the presidency.

I don't like talking about it either but with what's going on hard not to.

So even if states are still counting and the electors haven't voted, etc. it is ok for the media to call Biden as the next president? They are no longer calling him the projected winner. They are saying he won the election and will be our next president. That's not the case yet.

@lovebuglena Yes. This is the way it is done. There is always a lapse between the time the call is made, usually on election night, and the time the electoral college meets and makes it final. One of the main reasons for this is the new administration needs to get to work on their transition. The outgoing administration always works cooperatively with the new team. It's for the good of the country. The difference this year is the outgoing administration is refusing to work cooperatively. So we all have to wait around for Trump to have his temper tantrum.

@pjmurphy But who said that the new administration is Biden? He is not president-elect yet. He shouldn't really be doing any president stuff yet.

The election is over once Congress certifies the elector's votes, which happens January 6th.

@lovebuglena So be it then.

He is the projected winner, called by the media based on the numbers. Projected winner means who they think will win. We find out the official winner in January. Therefore, Biden is not the winner yet.

@lovebuglena oh okay

It better be him.