Marriage Murmurs

@DianneN (246838)
United States
February 4, 2021 7:39pm CST
This afternoon our younger son FaceTimed us for 2 1/2 hours. Most of the talk revolved around his girlfriend. She wants to marry him, and he hasn’t asked! We let him talk and only answered questions. That’s a decision only he can make. IF they marry, he told her - She has to finish studying for the bar and get a job as a lawyer. - He wants a prenuptial agreement - He doesn’t want children She has to make an even larger decision.
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@kaylachan (57687)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
5 Feb 21
Well, marriage should be based on how much you love a person. Sounds like he's trying to talk her out of it, by making all these demands.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
He loves her, but he was hurt deeply by a previous marriage. He never planned to get married again and doesn’t want children. He made that clear to her many times over the course of their relationship. But many girls have different ideas about marriage and children.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
6 Feb 21
@macayada No, he doesn’t have any children and never wanted them, unfortunately. He loves them, but doesn’t want to bring them up in this world. She has finished her studies and money certainly isn’t his problem or hers for that matter. We shall see what happens.
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@macayada (1497)
• Cavite City, Philippines
6 Feb 21
@DianneN If he has children from previous marriage then he is no longer excited to have again with other girl. I think he wants the girl to finish her study first so that if it happens that they are not meant to be then at least he did not spend a single penny for her study nor a contribution for that matter. He is only assuring his stand for it is always in his mind that the same situation as his first marriage may happen again.
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@paigea (35694)
• Canada
5 Feb 21
The children thing would have been hard for me. They will figure it out.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Me, too, but he has his reasons. I hope so. We just want him to be happy.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@paigea She says that now, but I'm sure it can change once she is married to him. She's all about saving the planet, animals, reducing this and that, and not overpopulating the earth, etc.
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@paigea (35694)
• Canada
5 Feb 21
@DianneN Hopefully she doesn't want children either.
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@marguicha (215441)
• Chile
5 Feb 21
Your son was very much hurt by his ex wife. I think that all this is too soon. She should wait for him to ask, I guess.
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@marguicha (215441)
• Chile
5 Feb 21
@DianneN He will have the sort of MIL men don´t want to have.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
I totally agree. Her mother told her he was a good catch, so I think she is pushing it.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@marguicha He does like her mother. I do, too. I think she wants what's best for her daughter. My son is establish, has a fantastic career, a big, beautiful house, nice cars, is thoughtful, generous, caring, loving, helpful, and neat.
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@jstory07 (134465)
• Roseburg, Oregon
5 Feb 21
She is young and might want children. I had two friends that never wanted children and they never had any. In the end it is his life and his decision about what he wants to do,
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
I have one friend who never wanted children, but it’s natural that most young girls do want them. My son has made it clear to her from the beginning. He’s firm in his decision.
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• Midland, Michigan
5 Feb 21
It seems she's a bit pushy. Since he already told her that he wasn't interested in getting married again I would think she would have waited another year at least.
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• Midland, Michigan
5 Feb 21
@DianneN he is a good catch but that's not what marriage is all about.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@MarshaMusselman He is well aware of that.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
I think her mother thinks he’s a good catch. She made him a photo album titled, Our First Ten Years. Only this year’s photos in it so far.
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@Janet357 (75656)
5 Feb 21
Wow, very tough decision to make indeed. Am wondering what was his gf's reaction.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
I agree. He told her he never wanted to marry again or have kids when the first met and throughout their relationship. She reacted well and will give it serious thought he said.
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@Janet357 (75656)
5 Feb 21
@DianneN I think your son was deeply hurt by his previous marriage. But he can have a child if he wants and get married when the right one comes, though it is his decision.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@Janet357 He was, and you are so right. He really doesn’t want children at all.
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@much2say (53958)
• Los Angeles, California
5 Feb 21
Oh gosh. I remember not too long ago he was just looking for companionship. I mean, they are definitely super cute together, but somehow the M word snuck in. Oh that's a tough one. You're right he has to make that decision for himself, but so does she.
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@much2say (53958)
• Los Angeles, California
5 Feb 21
@DianneN We know his side, but not hers. He has been upfront with her all along and It appears they are at least talking about things - open communication is always good. I just hope she is not thinking that she could change him eventually. And the having children (or not) part is a very personal choice - I do feel both should be in sync about that if it is for the long run. That biological clock sometimes changes people's minds. They've been so great together thus far, I hope they truly take their time with all of this.
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@much2say (53958)
• Los Angeles, California
6 Feb 21
@DianneN That's so great he can confide in his parents - I love that kind of relationship you all have. They are both sensible adults . . . in time they will figure out what's best for themselves. I'm all for not rushing . . . I just hope it works out for them .
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Exactly and thanks for remembering. We will just have to wait and see what happens.
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@Tina30219 (81538)
• Onaway, Michigan
5 Feb 21
That’s right if she loves him that much she will make the right decision
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@Tina30219 (81538)
• Onaway, Michigan
5 Feb 21
@DianneN Of course he is a good catch he is a handsome guy
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@Tina30219 Aww, thanks!
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
I hope so. Her mother thinks he’s a good catch and may be pushing the matter.
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@FourWalls (62145)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Kudos to your son for thinking about those things and wanting to work them out before they get married. Not that I’m any expert (never been married), but I think that’s why a lot of marriages end in divorce rather quickly: they don’t even think about all of those “life issues.”
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Thanks for your input. Those life issues are very important. My son made his feelings perfectly clear to her since day one. Well, perhaps day 2.
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@LadyDuck (458201)
• Switzerland
5 Feb 21
I remember that your son did not want to marry again, I have to agree with him, if something goes wrong it's easier to cut short the problem. I would not give him any advice but... I would not like to feel "forced" to do something.
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@LadyDuck (458201)
• Switzerland
5 Feb 21
@DianneN To be honest this is exactly what I thought, the mother who pushes her to get married. My husband did not want to get married, I told him that I was fine living together, I had to wait to turn 21, that was the legal age in Italy at those times. One day he said that he "could not wait", he wanted to be together all the time and so we married. It was clear from day one that he did not want children, I agreed. I am sure we would be together even if we would have decided not to get married.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@LadyDuck Your husband sounds like my son. I hope she agrees as you did about not having children, just so they can remain together.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
You have a good memory. He’s made his position known from day one. It’s up to her now. He told us he doesn’t want to waste her child bearing years if she really wants to have children. We think her mother is pushing her to get married. Her mother thinks he’s a good catch.
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@rakski (112925)
• Philippines
5 Feb 21
oh yes, they have to talk about this. It is going to be a big decision for both
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
He told her his feelings about marriage and kids when they first started dating. He was very upfront with her.
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@rakski (112925)
• Philippines
5 Feb 21
@DianneN So I guess she is okay with it
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@rakski She says so. We will have to see.
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@kobesbuddy (74569)
• East Tawas, Michigan
5 Feb 21
It isn't her choice to make, then expecting him to enter this major commitment. Marriage is suppose to be a mutual agreement, not one sided. If she pushes him, he will never be happy.(she wants to control)
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
She’s just doing what hubs and I did - talking of being married before the actual proposal. He’s been up front with her from day one. We shall see what happens. No rush for anything.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@kobesbuddy Actually, I asked him about her moving in little by little. He thought it was cute, but could banish her any time. She’s not malicious, just innocent.
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@kobesbuddy (74569)
• East Tawas, Michigan
5 Feb 21
@DianneN But she has been moving her personal items into his house. She needs to slow down and not pressure him to make this decision. He's afraid the same thing might happen again!
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@sunrisefan (28524)
• Philippines
5 Feb 21
Is the girl in the photo your son's girlfriend? She's beautiful. So your son does not want to have children (or at least a child?). You could tell him it's like paying forward - you took good care of him as a child until he grew up - at least he and his future wife could do the same to their child.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Yes, that’s her. Thanks. She’s beautiful and bright. No, we have talked to him until we were Blue in the face. He is adamant about not wanting children. However, he would make such a great father. He has a way with kids.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@sunrisefan He won’t change his mind. I am grateful that I have two grandchildren from my other son. Otherwise, I couldn’t bear life.
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@sunrisefan (28524)
• Philippines
5 Feb 21
@DianneN Hope he changes his mind and have at least one child.
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@thelme55 (76476)
• Germany
5 Feb 21
Pretty lady. Well, I hope they will reconsider about not having children.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Thanks. He definitely doesn’t want children and doesn’t want her wasting her childbearing age. I hope they work it out.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@thelme55 I’m sure, too.
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@thelme55 (76476)
• Germany
5 Feb 21
@DianneN I am sure they will work it out.
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@ptrikha_2 (45489)
• India
5 Feb 21
At times, it is so tough to make decisions. Only your son and GF can take the decision and in the best manner. I hope the best happens.
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@ptrikha_2 (45489)
• India
6 Feb 21
@DianneN Yes for sure !
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Thanks for understanding. We will know soon enough.
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@wolfgirl569 (95188)
• Marion, Ohio
5 Feb 21
Only they can decide. Hope things work out right for them.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
We just want him to be happy.
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@RasmaSandra (73444)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
5 Feb 21
That is going to be a tough decision to make but of course, they both have to come to some kind of agreement and hopefully be able to spend the rest of their lives together, I hope it all works out for the best,
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Thanks so much. The ball is in her court. He didn’t want to get married again, but he does love her.
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@sallypup (57888)
• Centralia, Washington
5 Feb 21
I don't want to sound mean but maybe your son should be a lawyer if he isn't already.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
He’s a successful businessman, but his brother is a lawyer.
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@LindaOHio (156276)
• United States
5 Feb 21
I'm so glad your son stated up front what he expects. Too often those conversations are left for AFTER the marriage. Big mistake. I hope she has expressed her needs/wants as well.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Thanks. She only wants him so far. He’s coming for a garage visit in a couple of minutes. Perhaps we will learn more.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@LindaOHio No scoop. He stayed for 90 minutes and talked about work, her cats, and sports!
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@LindaOHio (156276)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@DianneN I will be interested in the latest scoop! :-)
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@Mikmath (103)
5 Feb 21
A tough decision, indeed. What did the girlfriend say?
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
Very tough. She’s thinking about it. Huge decision on her part.
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@DianneN (246838)
• United States
5 Feb 21
@Mikmath To her and more so, to my son. lol
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@Mikmath (103)
5 Feb 21
@DianneN Good luck to her!
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