A messy business

@Fleura (34927)
United Kingdom
September 14, 2021 6:00pm CST
I was just discussing with @DaddyEvil the necessity for a will. I know plenty of people who don’t have one and say ‘Oh that’s fine, because everything will go to my next-of-kin anyway’. One of those people was my friend, let’s call him Arthur. Arthur had one brother, let’s call him Zach. His other living relative was his father, his mother having died when he was young. The father now had a live-in partner (we’ll call her Paula), but they were not married. Zach was married with a young son, we’ll call him Xavi. Unfortunately Zach developed a degenerative disease and died a couple of years ago. Then Arthur and Zach’s father died a few months ago. He didn’t make a will either - he told his sons he would let them fight over whatever he had. Since he wasn’t married, this meant his partner Paula was not entitled to anything from the estate. So under the UK rules of intestacy, since the father had two children, the estate should be shared equally. But since one pre-deceased him, that share passes to his children, in this case his son Xavi. Arthur is the only adult beneficiary (also the only one in this country) so he becomes the executor. Now if the estate consisted only of cash, the situation would be fairly straightforward. But of course it didn’t - there was a house where Arthur’s father lived with his partner Paula (but which was owned solely by him), and another house which was rented out. They are of similar value at present. The simplest answer would be to sell both properties and share out the cash. That would mean evicting the tenants and Paula. But then there is the added complication that Arthur gets on quite well with Paula and didn’t want to just turn her out of her home and leave her on the streets. So he thought he could have the rental property as his share, and Xavi could have the father’s home as his share, which would be held in trust until he reaches adulthood. In the meantime Paula could be allowed to continue living there. Arthur would have to be one of the trustees, and Xavi’s mother could be another. But then there is another problem - the trustees have a duty to get the best value from the assets they hold on behalf of a beneficiary. So Xavi could later sue them if he believed they hadn’t done this on his behalf - and allowing Paula to live in the house rent free is of course not the best return on the asset. So to meet this obligation Arthur would have to at least charge Paula rent at market rates, which she cannot afford. So the alternative would be to sell the rental property, have those proceeds held in trust for Xavi (for which he would have to make arrangements as a trustee), and keep his father’s home himself, allowing Paula to live there rent free. But then he would also have to maintain the property and cover all those bills to provide a home for a woman who isn’t related to him at all. And things could get really messy if Paula, in due course, met a new partner who came to live with her - Arthur could end up paying for them all to live for free in his house! Of course if Arthur’s father had made a will, giving the home to his partner or perhaps leaving it to her for her lifetime, all of this could have been avoided. Needless to say, Arthur is now keen to make a will, even though (or perhaps because) he has no children, and no longer has living parents or siblings. Even death can be a complicated business. All rights reserved. © Text and image copyright Fleur 2021.
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@DaddyEvil (174208)
• United States
15 Sep 21
I'm glad you wrote a new discussion... I just suggested this on pony's discussion. Oh, my! That is a very complicated situation... I'm not sure how I'd handle a situation like that. Thankfully, I'll never have to... I do own some property but I've already put Pretty's name on it and added her to my bank accounts... I didn't want money to sit somewhere that she couldn't access if something happened to me. (Adding her to my bank accounts was a pain in the tush. We finally got that finished a couple of months ago. Adding her name to the property was rather straightforward and easily done. A lot of paperwork, but still easily done.)
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
It is far more complicated than you'd think, given the few people involved.
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@DaddyEvil (174208)
• United States
15 Sep 21
@Fleura That's entirely possible... I know nothing of the laws there and next-to-nothing of the feelings involved.
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@HazySue (39265)
• Gouverneur, New York
15 Sep 21
What5 a cluster that could come from not making a will.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
I don't think people realise what a mess can ensue.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
19 Sep 21
@HazySue No it certainly isn't that simple.
@HazySue (39265)
• Gouverneur, New York
19 Sep 21
@Fleura I am thinking you are right. Some believe you go into an office tell they what you want in a few words and walk out 5 minutes late. Not so.
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@allen0187 (59648)
• Philippines
15 Sep 21
Very complicated indeed and can be avoided if a will was made.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
Either his father didn't realise he was effectively making his partner homeless, or he was trying to be really vindictive for some reason.
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@kaylachan (84701)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
15 Sep 21
Yeah, I know what you mean. My husband hasn't quite gotten to that point, and he really needs to start thinking about it. I hate the idea of losing him, but he's 23 years older than me and a chronic drinker and smoker.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
I hope you own the house or you will be left homeless too!
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@marlina (154103)
• Canada
15 Sep 21
It is wise to get a will, we have done it years ago,
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
It sure is!
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@DianneN (254949)
• United States
15 Sep 21
That’s a very complicated situation. We now have our second will and are in the process of having notes incorporated into it. A necessary pain. We also have a living will.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
It certainly is, glad I'm not trying to sort it out!
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@DianneN (254949)
• United States
15 Sep 21
@Fleura Nor I
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@allknowing (153544)
• India
22 Sep 21
So probably you have decided to make a will and get relief from the intestate situation for your family if you do not do it.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
22 Sep 21
I did make a will when Big One was little. But I need to update it because the situation has changed since then.
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@allknowing (153544)
• India
22 Sep 21
@Fleura That is the story with most of us
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@RasmaSandra (97912)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
15 Sep 21
Not mine just looking forward to making it up to get together with my loved ones and my soul mate and no one really to leave anything to,
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@innertalks (23734)
• Australia
15 Sep 21
That gave me a headache just reading it, but just imagine how much of an extra headache it would be to have to live through that type of a scenario. I am getting on in years, maybe, I should make a will too.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
I know how much of a headache it is, because 'Arthur' has discussed the various options with me!
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@innertalks (23734)
• Australia
15 Sep 21
@Fleura It's also enlightening for you to see how this will end up too, then, and to see the value of making a will.
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@Fleura (34927)
• United Kingdom
15 Sep 21
@innertalks Absolutely, the ability to learn from other people's experiences is very useful!
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
15 Sep 21
I say to do whatever possible to keep things simple.
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