Letting the cat out of the bag

@JudyEv (382430)
Rockingham, Australia
May 18, 2022 4:31am CST
While we were at the old Fremantle Gaol, Western Australia, recently, we saw a replica of a cat-o’nine-tails whip which was used to lash recalcitrant prisoners. This whip had a solid section which the ‘flagellator’ (that was his official name) held. The end consisted of nine strands of unravelled rope. It was a very cruel punishment but what I found interesting is the two idioms arising from the practice. Whipping in this way began on sailing ships. Those who were subjected to flogging for whatever reason would be taken on deck as quarters were too cramped below deck for the lash to be swung. From this arose the phrase ‘no room to swing a cat’. The other expression is to ‘let the cat out of the bag’. The whip was kept in a bag and thus this expression came about. Nowadays, it generally means to divulge a secret. Next post, I’ll tell you about the Shipwreck Museum, a more palatable subject I hope. The photo is a view of the interior of the gaol. The net at ceiling height was to catch any prisoners who might jump from the upper floors.
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@Juliaacv (56374)
• Canada
18 May 22
I often wondered where that saying came from, thanks for posting this. I look forward to reading about the shipwreck museum, we are going away in early July to a place well known for its shipwrecks. We will take a cruise on a glass bottom boat to see the wrecks without getting wet like the divers do.
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@Juliaacv (56374)
• Canada
19 May 22
@JudyEv I won't be carrying any bags, its only a short afternoon cruise. We choose the afternoon because the sun will be brighter and the water clearer and we will be able to see the wrecks even better.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
I need to go back to the museum. I took photos of some of the information but they've come out blurry. It seems there is information on those that is hard to find elsewhere. Your cruise will be very exciting I'm sure. Perhaps I could come and carry your bags.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
@Juliaacv I'm sure it will be fascinating.
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@arunima25 (93194)
• Bangalore, India
18 May 22
That's an interesting post. We use them so frequently. Their origin comes from some sort of cruel punishments.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
Yes, that's true. I'm glad You find the post interesting.
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@arunima25 (93194)
• Bangalore, India
21 May 22
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@shaggin (74987)
• United States
18 May 22
What an interesting post. I love learning about how sayings come about. I’ve never heard the saying no room to swing a cat before.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
That's interesting to me as it's something I thought would be well known. Someone else had never heard it either.
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@oahuwriter (26773)
• United States
19 May 22
History is interesting. It's good to know.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
I never liked history at school but I'm more interested in it now.
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@oahuwriter (26773)
• United States
20 May 22
@JudyEv I always liked history. It amazed me, worldwide, as I researched about stoves, it was being invented at the same time!
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@yoalldudes (35028)
• Philippines
18 May 22
So these words came out from such a terrible time in the past. I hope those times never come back.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
Some prisoners are still tortured and treated very inhumanely. It's very sad but I can't really see it ever changing.
@yoalldudes (35028)
• Philippines
21 May 22
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@JordanLader (7406)
• Sparta, Tennessee
18 May 22
I didn't know about the history of the phrases. I think if we look into a lot of the English language we'd find that most of the common phrases or slang we use come from a past action whether cruel or just odd.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
You're quite right. A few here have written about the origins of some sayings and it's very interesting.
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• Sparta, Tennessee
19 May 22
@JudyEv Symbols are the same way as well. That was why I enjoyed Dan Brown's DaVinci Code.
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@snowy22315 (209132)
• United States
18 May 22
Well, your trip to the gaol seems to have given lots of good subject matter for discussions!
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
Thanks. I was running out of topics for a while. lol
@Aquitaine24 (12000)
• San Jose, California
19 May 22
And California's thought Alcatraz was bad!
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
Alcatraz has a bad name for sure.
@FourWalls (86829)
• United States
18 May 22
It’s fascinating history. Isn’t the persistent myth that Australia was founded as a British penal colony? There’s a lot of prison history there. No, not pleasant but still fascinating. I guess the cat o’ nine tails had one for each life.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
British jails were overcrowded so it's true we were formed as a penal colony. Many of us would have criminal ancestry.
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@LadyDuck (502729)
• Italy
18 May 22
The cat-o’nine-tails was a terrible instrument to punish the recalcitrant prisoners. Now I understand what it means let the cat out of the bag.
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@LadyDuck (502729)
• Italy
19 May 22
@JudyEv I understand those people were criminals, but they were humans. It is even more horrible when I think that slaves had the same treatment.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
The men were tied to a tripod affair of three iron bars. The prisoners referred to this as the 'three sisters'.
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• Midland, Michigan
18 May 22
I would never have guessed. I never heard the first saying but the second I have.
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• Midland, Michigan
19 May 22
@JudyEv I think it's interesting how certain sayings made it around the world even before the internet.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
It's funny how some sayings got into the language and are now often heard although the origins have been forgotten.
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@Ronrybs (21492)
• London, England
18 May 22
I know there are several phrases that derive from sailing and associated activities. I had heard that sometimes a conman would try to sell off a 'rabbit in a bag', but it was actually a cat and sometimes they'd escape.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
Some of these phrases have a very interesting history.
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@Ronrybs (21492)
• London, England
19 May 22
@JudyEv It is not just the origins of these sayings that is fascinating, but that they have remained current for so long, admittedly with a change in meaning
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@FayeHazel (40230)
• United States
18 May 22
Wow it is interesting about those 2 sayings
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
I thought so and 'rubbing salt into a wound' apparently came from these times too. Salt water would be used on the wounds to prevent infection.
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@FayeHazel (40230)
• United States
19 May 22
@JudyEv Oh interesting. That makes sense actually, salt as a disinfectant and all
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
18 May 22
An interesting take on an old saying. This phrase is very common here.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
Some sayings never die it seems although sometimes the origin gets forgotten.
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
19 May 22
@JudyEv You are so right about that.
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• China
18 May 22
Every phrase is a story.Before now,I didn't know why the two phrases had such meaning.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
It's surprising sometimes how various phrases originate.
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@wolfgirl569 (135966)
• Marion, Ohio
18 May 22
Interesting to know how those started.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
And they are still around today.
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@LindaOHio (222726)
• United States
18 May 22
Extremely interesting post. Also interesting is the pic with the net. There are two Shipwreck Museums in Florida which show Mel Fisher's find. Will be interesting to hear about your museum.
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@JudyEv (382430)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 May 22
We need to go back there as we didn't have long to look around.
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