I Sided with the Democrats

@porwest (76371)
United States
February 7, 2024 8:54am CST
Politics can often be a funny and misunderstood thing. For example, for many it comes down to party. For me, as I have said repeatedly, it comes down to policy. It is all that matters. Sure. Positions people have can change. But when it comes to core positions, they rarely do. For example, my position on abortion. It is an unwavering and unwaverable position for me. Let's take the border issue. My position is that illegal immigration laws should be strictly enforced, that we should have a legal process for entry into the United States and that our border should be protected and secure, and anyone here illegally should be considered for deportation until they can go through a legal process for entry. That is a Republican issue, right? Well, kinda sorta. It's a Republican issue NOW. It is a position the Republican party ADOPTED due to Trump making it a core issue of the party. The issue of border security and building walls and fences to protect it is actually a Democrat position and has been for decades. Until Trump made it a Republican issue. When he did that, the Democrats CHANGED their position. I bring this up because all too often one's political position is questioned not on the basis of one's complete belief in something being right, but on the basis of which party they happen to support. On the issue of the border, my position has always been what it has been and agreed with the Democrats and DISAGREED with the Republicans. I can go back and find many old writings slamming Republicans for not taking border issues more seriously and gave all sorts of credit to the Democrats for having the RIGHT IDEAS about border security. When Bill Clinton said we needed fences, I supported that. When Barack Obama said illegal immigrants do not belong here, I supported his position. When Hillary Clinton said that we cannot have a country without borders, I AGREED. I disagreed with the Republicans, and vehemently so, on this issue. The point is that my position on core issues are not related to which party holds the position, but rather they are related to what I think is RIGHT. I am pro-life because I think that is right. I am pro-capital punishment because I think it is right. I am pro-smaller government because I think it is right. I am pro-lower taxes because I think it is right. And I am pro-border security for the same reason. Because I think it is RIGHT. It is not a Republican or Democrat issue. Like so many issues aren't. It is a matter of doing what's right and avoiding doing wrong things. My alignment with the Republican party is not absolute. It is not automatic that THEIR positions become MY positions any more than it is absolute nor automatic that Democrats' positions are ones that I can't agree with. At the end of the day, I have only one desire. That the country succeeds. I don't care WHO accomplishes that. For me it is not "may MY party win," it is, "may whoever has the majority of policy issues that align with my positions win." America first is not just a slogan. It's a motto. It's a value. It is what allows me to separate my party affiliations from any question and be able to honestly evaluate the answer and adopt the right position. If I close my mind to understanding things because of a D or an R, it closes my mind to potentially good ideas that can actually serve America better. I want to support things that WORK. I want to support what's RIGHT. No single party will have all the right or wrong answers. It is the job and should be the INTEREST of the American people to put party aside and take each individual issue to task on the merits of the solutions our politicians offer, based on our core values and beliefs. Based on what works. Based on what's the right thing to do. And to remove party from the equation at least when we make our evaluations. The question of the border if you are a Democrat is this. Did you support border security when they did? And if you don't support it now, is it a position you only hold because it's now the position of your party to be against it? My position never changed, and I didn't change my position just because, at the time, border security was not a serious issue for my party. I am not FOR border security now because my party is. I am for it because I was ALWAYS for it. The title is a bit of a misnomer. I never actually sided with the Democrats. I sided with my position which was formed on the basis of what I thought was right. When I speak here, even though I may mention party, it's really the POLICY that I am arguing for or against. Does it happen to be that I side more heavily with Republicans? Yes. But again, it is not BECAUSE they are Republican positions. It is because they are MY positions.
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@LadyDuck (451701)
• Switzerland
7 Feb
I am never for parties, I am more for "people" and their ideas. We need serious immigration laws also here in Europe and I am siding those who are in favor of making those laws more strict, no matter their party.
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Feb
I am glad we have a bill in Congress here to make illegal immigration more difficult.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
10 Feb
I am glad we have a bill in Congress here to make illegal immigration more difficult. @TheHorse We DON'T. The bill in Congress does NOTHING. Nothing at all to stop illegal immigration. I implore you to research it. It may CALL itself a border security bill, but it has as much to do with border security as the Inflation Reduction Act has to do with reducing inflation. It's a bill "in name only," but substantively doesn't deal with the issue it is supposed to.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
10 Feb
@LadyDuck We should not kill them, of course. But we SHOULD deport them.
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@marguicha (213235)
• Chile
7 Feb
I understand your way of thinking as it is mine too in my country. Yesterday our last ex President, Sebastián Piñera, die in an helicopter crash. I never voted for him. He was more right side than what I would like for a President. Yet yesterday, when I, too, mourned him, I remembered some things he did that I wholly approved. The last one was how he managed the covid in our country. Chile had one of the best responses in the world during the covid, far better than many rich countries. We all had free vaccines as soon as they were available. And before that, all hospitals in the country were turned into hospitals made to treat people with airplanes from the airforce to take the ill from one place to the other. I am and will always be more to the left as ideas go. But when something is done well, I applaud. I would not have voted for him if he had gone for a 3rd term. But I´m mourning him.
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Feb
As you know, I am pretty Conservative in my old age. I can't stand the political correctness that has become the norm here in the US. I give credit to whoever does well in my eyes. When Trump was President, an American drone was shot down. I agreed with his decision to retaliate only by shooting down a "bad guy" drone and not unnecessarily escalate things. We all remember Bush II and how the Middle East got destabilized. Trump's mishandling of Covid is legendary, but there's no way to know how another president would have handled it. We can't blame Trump for the supply chain issues (and inflation), as that was a worldwide phenomenon. Biden has gotten us out of the "recession that never happened." He deserves credit for that. Of course I would never vote for Trump. But I would consider voting for Haley IFF (not a typo) she made it clear that she would not pardon Trump if elected.
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@marguicha (213235)
• Chile
10 Feb
@TheHorse I know what you mean. I voted for the leftist President we have but then I found that he was not going to be a good President. Really I voted AGAINST his also leftist contendor in the primaries who was a communist. I will NOT vote for any extreme! But I have found out that I´m liking him more as time goes by. I am afraid that Trump has had personality problems long before he ran for office. That can be very dangerous.
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Feb
@marguicha He (Trump) has been a Sociopath for a long time. I have been doing some research. I think his time in "military school" made him worse.
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 Feb
There is a bi-partisan bill in the House right now about the issue of border security. Hopefully it will pass.
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Feb
@porwest We'll see. I actually have not read the "bill," or whatever it's called. Have you?
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
10 Feb
@TheHorse Yes. I have read portions of it. It's not a border security bill at all.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
9 Feb
I would like to see progress here. The problem is Trump's policy worked and Biden's doesn't do any of what Trump's policy did, which begs for me the question, "How serious is Biden, really, about solving the issue when there was already a working idea on his desk that has been sitting there for three years since he reversed the policy?"
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@db20747 (43394)
• Washington, District Of Columbia
8 Feb
Thinking for ourselves is always best, not just agreeing with everything from our political party. Do you support gay marriage? Is that a Republican or democrat policy?
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Feb
Most Republicans I know personally support gay marriage. It's kind of a "non-issue."
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 Feb
@porwest Like you, I see gay marriage as a bit of a "non-issue." I support it, but don't think about it that much.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
8 Feb
Whether or not gay marriage is a Republican or Democrat thing can be debated. Both parties were forever against gay marriage. Democrats shifted and mostly support it now, and most Republicans have become "neutral" on the matter. Gay marriage is a position, for me, that I was mostly against in the past, but now am also "neutral" on. I don't agree with gay marriage or the gay lifestyle, but I also do not care whether or not they can or cannot legally marry. Gay marriage DOES fall under a bit of a "slippery slope" scenario, though. Something that was one of my concerns when I was fully against it. If "you should be able to marry whoever you love," was the basis for the argument, where do we draw the line? Your cousin? Your sister? Your dog? A tree? But yes, certainly people can become too entrenched in their parties that they lose sight of what is truly important to them. I don't want to follow the leader. I want to support leaders who follow me and what is personally important to me that are in my interests.
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• United States
12 Feb
When 1 or the other party DOES what they say that's 1 thing but when either party puts Americans in danger that's another. I don't think it's right we have immigrants invading our country & taking our resources away from the hard working people that has spent their lives working to have a better life, & they are taking it away from Millions of Americans, it's NOT right.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
14 Feb
No. It's not. I think the American people realize it. I also think most Americans believe it is a serious issue Biden has failed terribly on.
@wardfcsc (197)
• Indonesia
8 Feb
Well, I couldn't agree more with it.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
8 Feb
Thanks. The gist of my point is that too many people get too locked up in their party and their platforms and positions, that they lose sight of what is truly important to them, and it can cloud their judgement.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
10 Feb
@wardfcsc But in a lot of cases people do just the opposite. The Democrats and their border position is a glaring example of how they follow the party line rather than their own convictions. Staunch Democrats do not oppose border security because they are opposing border security in their hearts. They are opposing it because their party is. That's wrong headed.
@wardfcsc (197)
• Indonesia
10 Feb
@porwest Yeah, I guess people are longing for a party which stick to their own value or position without switching side or anything. Yet, I guess politics is all about compromise, compensate and lobby, ain't it? At least that's what political parties are all about in my country. I never like them all. Once they have a chance to rule, they would compromise more to their allies' need than the people.
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@1creekgirl (39927)
• United States
8 Feb
Very well said, Jim.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
8 Feb
As always, thank you ma'am.
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@moffittjc (117759)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Feb
I've always voted based on policy over party, and I've been vocal about that here and in other places where I've stated my positions publicly. I identify as Republican because overall their beliefs most closely align with my beliefs, but that doesn't mean I won't vote for other party candidates. Like you said, I simply want the best America possible, and therefore I will vote for the candidate whom I feel can best do the job of making our country the best it can be.
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@LindaOHio (149571)
• United States
8 Feb
It was interesting to hear your positions on various issues. We agree on some and disagree on others. Interesting post. Have a good day.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
9 Feb
That is usually how it goes.
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@Neil43 (3147)
8 Feb
Well, in the Philippines we have the dirtiest politics and the most corrupt politicians. Voters have been stupid choosing the wrong president all the time. They only realize their mistakes after having elected someone in the post.
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@TheHorse (201871)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 Feb
Democracy can go wonky when people refuse to educate themselves.
@ogbenishyna (2530)
11 Feb
You have a strong case for your preferred party but I believe Americans need a third political option.
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@porwest (76371)
• United States
12 Feb
There are a lot of other countries that have multiple parties and it seems like a bit of a convoluted mess to me that presents more problems than solutions. Sure, it leaves us less choice ultimately with only one party or the other to truly choose from. But it is part of what makes voting your heart and mind over party so important. You basically weigh all of the issues that are important to you, and create tic marks. Whoever gets the most tic marks on the "I agree" side gets the vote. For me, 99.9% of the time the side that gets the most tic marks just happens to be a Republican. Democrats do get many tic marks. They just don't ever get enough to get my vote.
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