She Was Asked to Take Out the Trash
By Jim Bauer
@porwest (105434)
United States
July 23, 2025 8:30am CST
So, maybe I am admittedly armchair quarterbacking a bit here. But we have the story of the McDonald's manager who shot a woman in her store and there are many moving parts to it here.
Violence is one of them. Insubordination is another. The shooting is also a part. So is a "mob mentality."
As the story goes, the manager asked a juvenile female employee to take the trash to the dumpster. A perfectly reasonable request for a manager to make to a subordinate.
The employee refused with some harsh words, and so the manager told the employee to clock out and go home.
Also, an extremely reasonable managerial response to someone who is paid to do a job they are refusing to do.
Next thing you know, mom shows up with her other teenage daughter, the manager is confronted with an altercation at the counter that carries the entire situation to the back end of the restaurant and ultimately into the manager's office where the manager is then beat by both parties.
At some point the manager produces a gun and shoots the mom in the leg.
Look, regardless of what anyone thinks, we have multiple issues going on here. One, I think the manager, right or wrong, was simply acting in self-defense. Did she need to produce a gun? Probably not. But at the same time, what does one do when she has two unruly people in a place they do not belong, having put themselves in business that is none of theirs, who are using physical violence to get their point across?
Both women were charged with felonies, but the one paying the biggest price with the steepest possible penalties is the manager.
For defending herself.
After asking an employee to do her job.
She will not only face jail time, but she will also undoubtedly now be unemployed with a criminal record.
For defending herself and doing her job. This cannot be stressed enough, here.
Again, perhaps the gun being involved was unnecessary. But when do we acknowledge that refusing to do one's job is wrong? Or acting like a mob, such as the mother and her other daughter did—when is that condemned?
Okay. Technically the other party's actions are condemned, right, because they are being charged, although there really is no consequence for the employee who refused to take out the trash.
But the bottom line is that the manager is the real victim here, having her entire life altered simply because...
She did her job.
I'm sorry, but this is backwards. This is wrong on so many levels. At some point we need to stop holding people to account for reacting to situations they did not ask to be part of and frankly...
Did not even cause.
Ultimately, the manager did absolutely nothing wrong to wind up in the situation that she did. Nothing. She became a victim of an insubordinate employee and two other entitled people who sought to remedy a just situation with an unjust response...
And the manager has to pay the price? Literally, give me a break. This manager's life is not forever altered because she shot a woman in the leg in her store. It is forever altered because she asked an employee to take out the trash.
Let's be clear, that's the ultimate end of story for me here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mcdonalds-trash-duty-dispute-escalates-to-manager-allegedly-shooting-teen-employees-mom-in-restaurant/ar-AA1J60Rm?ocid=BingNewsSerp
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4 responses
@DaddyEvil (156233)
• United States
23 Jul
First, when the mother and other daughter showed up, the manager could have just called the police to handle the unruly women... But, maybe she believed she could handle the two of them better away from the public eye and in the privacy of her office. She still had the option, once in private with them, to pick up the phone and call the police. Even while getting hit, 911 isn't that hard to remember and, even if the other two women wouldn't let her talk to the police, the call would be traced and the police would arrive.
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@porwest (105434)
• United States
23 Jul
I agree that might have been an option. Then again, it's easy to call out what should be done in certain situations "outside of the situation." I still think the manager is ultimately the victim here. She didn't create the situation. She was forced into it. Perhaps her response was wrong, but that doesn't take away, in my mind, the fact that she did not do anything to start this.
If this goes to trial, which I suspect it will, I am hopeful that a jury will acquit her. At least based on what I currently know. Too often good people are thrust into situations like this by bad people, and unfortunately, we repeatedly want to punish the good people that get caught up in this sort of thing.
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@DaddyEvil (156233)
• United States
23 Jul
@porwest When push comes to shove, the facts are, that a woman shot another woman... Those are the facts as we know them... What led up to that point may, or may not, change the outcome of the trial. At this point, we don't know, so it's kind of pointless to speculate.
The manager DID resort to violence against a customer in her store. She shot someone.
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@porwest (105434)
• United States
7 Aug
@DaddyEvil But I think you missed the part where they wound up in the manager's office. Why did the manager go there to be followed and beaten? Probably because that's where the phone was to call the police.
It's hard to pick up a phone and make a call when your face is being pummeled. Granted, that's conjecture on my part that that's the reason they wound up in her office. But it makes sense.
On the flip side, I think you are trying to justify bad behavior on the part of the person who caused this whole thing in the first place and are looking for someone else to blame other than the person (or people) ultimately responsible for this.
You are walking in a parking lot and someone steps up to you and begins beating you and you respond to it (with whatever response that is). CLEARLY, according to you, YOU are the one guilty of doing something wrong and should have just taken the beating while grabbing for your phone and dialing 911 between the blows. lol
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@kareng (78590)
• United States
24 Jul
What I want to know is why didn't another employee pick up the phone and call the police when the mother and other daughter headed back to the manager's office. They had to of known this wasn't going to be a civil meeting. And when they started attacking the manager, surely that made some noise.
But I agree, it all boils down to manager defending herself.
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@terri0824 (5208)
• United States
23 Jul
Justice seems to be backwards these days. She shouldn't have a tarnish on her record because of defending herself.
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@porwest (105434)
• United States
24 Jul
Here's my guess, and mind you, this is ONLY speculation on my part. It is likely because employees were not allowed to carry cell phones on the job, and shockingly, they were probably following the rules. My suspicion is that the reason the altercation wound up in the manager's office is because the manager was going there for that very reason...
To call the police on the only available phone to her, cell or landline, which was...in her office.
I don't know any of that for a fact. But it is what I strongly suspect with what I know so far. I have not seen nor read the police report and there's still little information that has been released about the case except that an employee refused to do something, was sent home, and her mom and sister came to the restaurant to confront the manager, a fight ensued and ended with the manager shooting the mom in the leg.
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