Is East Saint Louis a Lost Cause?

@porwest (109244)
United States
October 5, 2025 7:42am CST
Every once in a while, I have to drive through East Saint Louis, such as yesterday on my way to Apex Recycling to turn in my aluminum cans for cash. I got $68, by the way, for that. But every time I drive through there, I find it to be such a depressing sight. Boarded up houses, trash everywhere, potholes as big as canyons, dilapidated buildings and closed businesses. Such as down 9th street. An old Popeye's closed up, turned into a Ray's and still shuttered. A closed McDonald's. A closed Wendy's. There is not a single major grocery store in the city. In fact, it's mostly a ghost town with tall weeds, empty lots with falling down homes, rusty cars... It's just a terrible sight. Of course, we know why East Saint Louis is the way it is. It's poverty-stricken and it has fallen victim to its own lack of concern or importance by its citizens. Crime has largely driven out anyone wanting to do business there. On top of that, many people there don't want to work since it might impact receiving welfare benefits. And no one outside of East Saint Louis will go there to work. It makes me wonder, when a city has fallen so badly such as East Saint Louis has, is there any hope it could ever be revitalized? And how would someone do it? It's a deep-rooted problem that it suffers that would take decades to rebuild from. More importantly, how would you encourage the people who live there to make a deep and impassioned contribution to making it better? What kind of money would need to come into town? And who would do it? And would it even be worth it to try?
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@snowy22315 (197439)
• United States
5 Oct
I would think something like Universal Basic income might be a start. It has worked well in the places it has been tried to the best of my knowledge. If you don't agree, don't t shoot me. I'm just the messenger.
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@porwest (109244)
• United States
5 Oct
Sure. Give people receiving free food, free housing, free energy and free everything else MORE free stuff. That should get them out of their chairs and off to work, right? WRONG.
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@snowy22315 (197439)
• United States
5 Oct
@porwest As I said if you read about it you will find it has worked well in the communities where it has been tried. It doesn't discriminate or stigmatize everyone gets it.
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@porwest (109244)
• United States
5 Oct
@snowy22315 I have read about some of it. It hasn't been done long enough or on a large enough scale to actually show real results. This is something that would need to be studied for at least a decade. THAT being said, there IS a history we CAN look at called socialism, and it has never worked. And that's basically what UBI is. You CANNOT achieve progress if you take away the incentive to achieve it, and giving someone something for nothing is a fantastic way to end the incentive. UBI is also a fantastic way to drive inflation even higher because it artificially puts money into the economy and is derived from something that did not produce anything tangible behind it.
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@LindaOHio (203277)
• United States
5 Oct
It's sad to hear about a community such as that. I don't know what it would take to revitalize that area..
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@porwest (109244)
• United States
5 Oct
Me either. All I know is that it would take an ARMY of minds and tankfulls of money.
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@LadyDuck (484948)
• Italy
5 Oct
Hard to answer your questions. I have seen that the outskirts of several big Italian cities are also suffering because only poor people and illegal immigrants live in those horrible big buildings. It would be good to do something to make those places better.
@moffittjc (125940)
• Gainesville, Florida
5 Oct
Wasn't East St. Louis a lost cause going all the way back to the 80s? Wasn't that the location where the Griswold's got their tires stolen and their car graffitied in the movie Vacation? When I was in college, one of my best friends was from St. Louis, and he had nothing good to say about East St. Louis back then, so I'm sure it's even worse now.