How Much Is Enough?
By LooeyVille
@LooeyVille (34)
United States
November 13, 2025 7:22am CST
If you didn't like my prior posts about SNAP benefits and learned helplessness, then you might want to stop reading now.
The attached diagram shows what % of people in each US state receives SNAP benefits. The diagram says 12% of the United States population is on a food assistance program. I gleaned from the internet this represents 42 million individuals. Further delving into this and 1.5 million of those 42 million are illegal immigrants who are not citizens of the United States.
Okay, so don't you think that 12% is a rather large number of people on food assistance? Shouldn't the number of people needing help be around 5% or less? Why is there such a high number of food stamp recipients?
So I looked into the qualifications to receive SNAP benefits and they include:
1. Household gross income at or below 130% of the federal poverty level. For a family of three in 2025, this is approximately $33,576 annually. Net income (after deductions) must be at or below the federal poverty level, which is about $25,000 annually for a family of three.
2. Applicants must be U.S. citizens or certain lawfully present immigrants and must reside in the state where they apply.
3. Most households can have up to $3,000 in countable assets (e.g., bank accounts). If at least one member is elderly or disabled, the limit increases to $4,500. Home, personal property, and most retirement accounts, do not count against these limits
Those are really very generous criteria. Now let's break it down even further. If the gross income for a family of 3, for which you would generally assume both adults are working person is working, is $33,576 , that means each person is making at or around $8 per hour.
The SNAP program even has a special section:
Able-Bodied Adults Without Dependents (ABAWDs): Individuals aged 18-52 must meet work requirements unless exempt.
So please explain to me why an able bodied person shouldn't be able to make at least $8 hour when every restaurant, including White Castle, is offering jobs starting at $15/hr. Please explain to me why people aren't able to earn this very basic amount if they are able-bodied and not disabled.
I'll give you some personal examples from my own circle of friends. They don't want to work. One of the card-playing girls has 2 grandsons in their 20's and they don't work. They bounce from job to job, from DUI to car wreck and end up living in her basement. The other card-playing girl has a 40-something year old daughter who is married with 3 teenagers and she'll just flat out tell you, "I don't want to work. I shouldn't have to work. Someone should take care of me."
You all think that I am looking down on SNAP recipients, which couldn't be further from the truth/reality. I understand that many of you here are disabled and in dire straits.
But what I'm trying to express is that often many people on benefits are getting them because they just don't want to do anything about it. It's become a way of life for them. " Learned helplessness" is a psychological condition where individuals believe they have no control over their circumstances, leading to passivity and a lack of motivation to change their situation. I have generations of my own distant cousins who have lived their whole lives on welfare, snap, and every other benefit available to them because they don't know how to go out and work for themselves. They have a victim mentality and a million excuses for why they can't get ahead in life.
Our government unintentionally created a "Nanny State" when it started offering liberal and generous benefits to those who went beyond a temporary status of needing help and made it profitable for them to live on the government's dime. While they aren't out helping themselves, they still complain about what they don't have and they never seem to have "enough." Don't you see it?
Don't take this personally if you are on government assistance. I'm talking about the systemic problems in the system, not individual people who truly need help.
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@porwest (111070)
• United States
11h
"Those who receive benefits are mainly young people."
Boy, if that isn't a HUGE eye opener, I don't know what else could be. It sort of reminds me of the irony of fat people in their 40s using scooters in the stores while people in their 80s with arthritis and serious issues make every effort to stay mobile and use a shopping cart.
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@porwest (111070)
• United States
9h
@LadyDuck Somewhere along the way, here for sure in The States, we coddled children a bit too much, emphasized being "special," made them overly privileged, erased challenge and the value of defeat, and what we have created out of that is a society of people unwilling to take on risk, and actually contribute to and be part of a functional society.
May be a totally silly analogy, but we've taken what was a perfectly working wicker chair, unraveled it, and made it into a pile of useless twigs. And then we outright deny there was ever once a chair there and are made to accept there's really no place for anyone to sit.
And now, we must provide chairs.
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@LindaOHio (205841)
• United States
15h
I don't understand how illegal immigrants can get SNAP benefits. They don't have a legal SS number.
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@AmbiePam (106224)
• United States
13 Nov
I appreciate this post, Loo. You raise legitimate concerns. A lot of able bodied people just don’t want to work. Although, a woman has been in my mind lately. She works at Walmart, 6 days a week, has three kids, but her husband just left her. She’s got a real need for food stamps. You can’t be prepared for your husband to leave you and clean your bank account out. The law can’t even find him. So there are people who work who get them and should. I’ll never forget that lady.
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@Fleura (33076)
• United Kingdom
13 Nov
We have an out-of-control system here too.
Of course no-one wants to go back to a situation where elderly people were forced to go to the workhouse if they had no other source of support (kindly relatives for example) but it seems to be getting ridiculous. And the mental health situation has just exploded. From being something that wasn't talked about, now everyone has some sort of mental health condition and they are all claiming sickness benefits for 'anxiety'.
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@porwest (111070)
• United States
11h
The anxiety thing is an area of tense anger for me. It's a fake disease that we actually allow people to collect disability for. It's madness. That and learning disorders. Meanwhile, if you have a real disease—you have a harder time getting disability.
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@porwest (111070)
• United States
11h
The reason you will get furled brows and angry faces from people when you speak rationally about something like this is precisely because...you are speaking RATIONALLY about these things and stating TRUTHS over the narratives and sob stories that are used to justify complacency and sedentarism that is rampant throughout "the system."
The thing is, we ALL know people on the system. And we all know WHY they are on the system. In my own circles, few of the people on the system are people that absolutely HAVE to be. They're mostly gamers.
Take my cousin. She chose not to marry with two kids in tow. Why? Because her ACTUAL household income would kill her benefits if both her income and her boyfriend's income were combined through marriage. That's cheating on purpose. He was making $60,000 a year and she was making much less, but their combined household income far surpassed the "criteria" to collect benefits.
So, with a household income of over $80,000 she got energy assistance AND food stamps.
At the end of the day, I really do feel for people who truly need the help. But those are much fewer than those who simply refuse to DO something. I know someone for example who is in his late 30s. He has NEVER WORKED A DAY IN HIS LIFE AND HAS ALWAYS LIVED WITH MOM. Mom is now unable to work, and he takes "care" of mom and gets money from Medicaid to "care for her." He says that's his job. Umm. No. It's not a job. And how does he take care of mom?
Well, go back to when I said he has never worked a day in his life and has always lived with mom. He's living off of HER social security and Medicaid "caregiver" benefits. But he hasn't DONE anything different except find an additional source of free money.
It's just madness.
I have no issue with helping people. I just want to know who ACTUALLY needs the help and who doesn't, and I simply want to be HONEST about that.
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@LooeyVille (34)
• United States
11h
I think this is the longest post I've ever written here on myLot
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@porwest (111070)
• United States
10h
@LooeyVille There was a lot to be said and you said it wonderfully. I like it.
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