What makes someone unpatriotic to you?

United States
June 14, 2007 6:18am CST
In a way..I think alot of people have the mainstream media's opinion, "If you're not with us, then you're against us" In other words, "If you don't support your government and every law they pass, especially when it comes to safety and wars..then you must hate your country" Do any of you have thinking like that? I'll venture to say that at least one or two of you do. Pardon me for saying so, but I beg to differ. Though it mightn't mean much to you or..well, our government anymore for that matter, but last I looked we had the right to have any opinion we wanted and voice it. Anyone who said otherwise was the one who was leaning toward what they were accusing the folks of. I mean..I personally love my country. It's so beautiful here..but as each day passes the more I dislike the government and these new laws they're passing and trying to implement. I mean..you could believe something I completely disagreed with but I'd defend to the death your right to believe it, you know? What's so wrong about me feelin' the way I do? Anyway..what makes someone unpatriotic do you think? Dictionary definitions are welcome.
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@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
• Canada
14 Jun 07
I thought that this post would be easy to respond to but after a bit of thought I really am at a lose of words. (yes probably one of the only times I haven't had somethimg sitting at the tip of my tongue to say!) I think that to BE patriotic you ahve to love your country and want what you feel is best for your country. Now yes, this can be anything afterall, what I think is great for my country you may not think so and vice versa. But I think that patriotism isn't if you have fireworks on your countries birthday, it's not coz you have a flag displayed, it's not because you believe the government like a sheep following what the shepard says. Being patriotic is in your heart if you love your country and want to make it better. Even in a small way like volunteering at a food bank or picking up garbage from the ditch, or when you are in a different country being courteous because you are an ambassador of your country. If you are in a different country and you treat people nicely then those people will think that you and your country folk are all nice (we hope!). It has nothing to do with paying taxes, being in government, or anything like that.
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@psyche49f (2511)
• Philippines
14 Jun 07
Little things like not paying one's taxes, not buying your country's products, but instead, go for things which are foreign-made, when you bad-mouth your own country in front of other people (from other countries)...these are a few unpatriotic actions. For me, they are simply sad, because people should really love their own country whatever happens to it...and whatever happens to it depends so much on its people.
• United States
14 Jun 07
They're really bad mouthing their government..but still..why does that make them unpatriotic? It's your country and your opinion, if the people from other countries aren't smart enough to make their own opinion about your country then..why coddle them? And everything our country has is practically made in foreign countries..you see those 'made in china' stamps on ALOT of things. Very little is actually made in america anymore..very sad but true. And why would someone in say..Japan be unpatriotic for their country by buying something from america instead of stuff from their own country? Why? It's supporting another country. It's your right to buy whatever you want. And taxes were never supposed to be a permanent thing anyway. Up until a few years ago, it was in the books that it was a temporary thing..and that money really doesn't go to anything important anyway. They waste a load of it..mostly on failed projects. Most people who do these things still love their country or else most of them would've moved elsewheres by now. They can, you know. I mean I still love my country..and I do a few of those things you describe and think people who do all of them are brave. I don't always have the fondest feelings for americans but I'd still lay down my life for their freedoms..why does this make me unpatriotic? Thanks for sharing your opinion though. I appreciate it, I'm just trying to understand the why's of peeps opinions, heh ^_^ thanks again!
@leeloo (1494)
• Portugal
15 Jun 07
Sorry, I beg to differ in relation to taxes. Taxes pay for essential services, schools, hospitals, fire departments, police, roads, bridges etc If taxes are not correctly used, that is a question that can be discussed until you are blue in the face. For every project that falls flat there is one that will changes the world, no one knows beforehand and even crazy ideas sometimes work.
• United States
23 Jun 07
The numbers I've seen say different. In a decent sized city..lets say the people gave the government 400,000, 890 dollars for school tax, alone. And the school's medium sized and still doesn't get enough supplies, when no roads are being worked on, and the troops don't need anythign at the moment. Where the heck does that money go to then? I know, I know..call me paranoid. But it's not in my nature to be trusting, especially since the system IS flawed..and the fact that some politician can get a million dollar hair cut no questions asked kinda makes me doubt that all our money goes to where it's supposed to. But the facts are, the money shouldn't go through the government to fund a local endeavor. The locals should fund their local government (city council or state council or whatever), because the White House doesn't need to see your money. You're the ones building the schools and the roads..why do they need to see the money? Anyway, yeah, we could talk about this til we die of old age..but that's just my opinion on taxes. And believe me, things functioned FINE without them..and yes, they WERE supposed to be a temporary deal. Just dig up one of the antique tax books and it says right in the book, more recent books of course don't have it..but the older ones, yep they do. Look it up, hun.
@mizrae (587)
• United States
14 Jun 07
I am more inclined to believe those who DO NOTHING are unpatriotic. I believe we all should know just what our constitution means, how laws are drafted and ALL should be involved in the checks and balances that are suppose to be built into our democratic system. Too many blindly follow the mainstream media coverage and believe that to be the truth. Too many care more for the celebrity or sports coverage than they do for what's going on right under their noses with respect to the changes (and these changes are NOT for the better) in our laws and our rights. Yes, we live in a beautiful country, but soon everyone who's been glued to the "bxxb" tube will soon find out they only thing they can do is watch the programing their new government says they can watch. Or is this happening already. NASA has been censored, the EPA cannot say anything about Global Warming. No, you are not wrong, and probably more patriotic than most.
• United States
15 Jun 07
You make many good points, mizrae. Those who do nothing are a major part of the problem. The checks and balances are not what they used to be, that's quite obvious, and there are so many blindly following the mainstream media that it actually makes me sick to my stomach to the point where I cannot eat. Thank you for your truthful, patriotic comments.
• United States
15 Jun 07
I think you guys are right, doing nothing about the problems..not even trying. That's unpatriotic. It means that..they don't care. Which is amazing. Because, this is a beautiful country..regardless what happens to it. Because of how it began, what all of our society was originally based on. And when stuff happens to our country..not doing anything, being more willing to believe what people say..when it'd deceptive, or untrue than facing realty about how things are going.. *shakes my head*
@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
14 Jun 07
Being patreotic means many things. I was born and raised in Canada,and was proud to join the army when I turned 18,then came along trudou(the traitorous PM)that hated the English,so ditroyed our culture and country. I recieved my honerable discharge(as we were allowed to get out early if we did not approve of the changes)and joined the American army to fight for the freadoms from communizm in Viet Nam. We were treated with great disrespect from our own people when we returned,so I just returned to Canada. While I do have great respect and feelings for all of North America,I cannot say the same for the governments of either country. I will fight for the country,not the idiots running them. I always have,and always will cast my vote for the governments,but it is a loosing battle as in Canada,we are run by the majority of the people,like the U.S.,but unfortunatly,all the voting power here is in the nuts in Ontario and Quebec. Thank you for the chance to vent.
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@tredale (1313)
• Australia
14 Jun 07
I agree freedom of speach, I think burning the flag or spitting etc is unpatriotic. I think that we have a right to talk about what ever the fack we want. I also think that doing anything unjust to war remorials is unpatriotic. I am very patriotic but then Im born the day before australia day so I think this has always had something to do with it. Plus I love it here.
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• Bulgaria
17 Jun 07
I don't think there's anything wrong in the way you think because I feel exactly the same way about my country too. I love my motherhood but I hate the government! That's it - nothing more and nothing less. You said everything above that I would type in here?:)
• United States
15 Jun 07
Patriotism is loving your country despite its flaws and striving to protect, defend, serve, and uplift the people IN it. The government is not your country, it is merely a facet. The taxes you pay are not your country, it is merely a component. the goods and services you buy and where they are made are not your country, they are material goods. Patriotism is standing up for the founding principles of your nation, its people. and what you feel at heart is honorable, true, and right. Sometimes the most patriotic act one can do is simply standing up and saying, 'no I will not do this.' This is espcially true of Americans since their founding principles are based on equality for everyone, and doing what is right and true. My countries laws and governing bodies have lost their way, the people have given up their freedom for tv dinners, and 'home land security'. Deep in their hearts though, inside every person who can truly claim to be American there is a heart that beats red, white, and blue. That heart which leads the legs to stand, the fist to raise, the lips to part and the words 'we the people' to echo out. I have done and will continue to do many things in my life that people claim are unpatriotic. I have neither remorse nor sense of guilt over these actions. I did what is true, what is right, what is just, and thus according to the founding principles of America, I did what was american. As such, as a true son of America I am a patriot.
@leeloo (1494)
• Portugal
15 Jun 07
Patriotism is a very personal thing, and difficult to describe and define. In times of war, those that actively protest and attempt to prevent the continuation of the war, be it 'just' or not is variable, may be considered unpatriotic expecially if the battle/war is won. If there is an invasion in your own country it is unlikely that you find someone protesting the defense of ones home and in supporting the invading force, this may be considered unpatriotic. Patriotism and nationalism often go hand in hand, though different they express the idea that you mentioned, 'if you are not with us, you are against us' when taken to the extreme. For me unpatriotic, is the active and organized destruction of the fabric of a country, for malicious intent, with no benefit to the people of that country. To protest a war, is not unpatriotic. People have a conscious and understand that no one really wins in a war, people die and families and homes are destroyed. Many times the result 50 years later is that either things return to what they were before or the instability created by the action is still affecting peoples lives. It is when you lose everything that you see that life is important, to fight to preserve it is noble. The sense of patriotism is thus associate to the side of the combat you are and if you are victorious. If you take the countless wars through time, the example of the colonial wars were fought to create a new nation, those that fought to obtain their new country are known as patriots yet if they had lost and the countries remained as they were, they would have been known as rebels and unpatriotic. To disagree with ones government, can never be judged in these term, patriotism has nothing to do with the the actual government, or what it stands for. In this way, every time government changed there should be a protest . If a more liberal governmente feels that the money that is appied in its military would benefit educational, health system instead, that is not unpatriotic it is a moral decision of priorities and in a way patriotic as it is the active improvement of the people in your country.
• United States
14 Jun 07
With the way people feel about their elected officials (like they had a choice between the second worst candidate and the worst) trust me disagreeing with government decisions is not unpatriotic it is the norm. Remember this is a country founded by Revolutionaries and traitors to the crown. Now if you are living out in the middle of nowhere today amassing an army of followers and a weapons collection better than the ATF -AND planning for a violent overthrow of the government that could be construed as unpatriotic. Treating military service people &veterans they way some treated them during and after Vietnam that is unconscionably unpatriotic. Some people just run their mouth to get attention by saying outrageous things. I am not sure they are unpatriotic just opportunists. Be careful not to fall for their bait and get into an argument with them that is all they want.
@amjada (379)
14 Jun 07
Good write its fine, most poeple do wrong things to limit ther success, like some country's government. I love my country too.evryone should love ther country too.this is your good post.