Monarchy or Republic?

Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
June 25, 2007 5:16am CST
In my country, as in many european countries, we got what is defined as Parlamentary Monarchy. That means that there is a king or a queen, which is the highest institution of the country, but all the executive power to pass laws and make decissions belongs to the Goverment elected by the people. Many people support this system because monarchs add a big dose of stability to the country, they're neutral figures that represent us all, and are not tied to the political parties wars. On the other hands though, many people want monarchies to disappear as they consider that it's unfair that a person is a king just for being a descendant of another king. They would prefer a Republic, where the President of the Republic, with similar attributions to the kinds i mentioned (except USA or France, where they have more power)is elected by the people. Do you prefer a Republic or a Monarchy for your country? which system is better for a country and is the fairest?
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@albert2412 (1782)
• United States
25 Jun 07
I think that a monarchy is much better. I look around the world at the elected leaders of the world and think that on the average, most of them are not qualified to lead a country. They have to be constantly thinking about what the electorate in their country wants them to do instead of what is best for their country. A king is the best leader for a country. A king is not elected and can do waht is best for their country without being afraid of not being reelected. A king also does not have to bribed like many politians becaause a king is already rich.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
lol that's true, they don't need to be bribed hehe. thanks for the reply.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Jun 07
Good points, but history has shown that Monarchs are much less responsive to the people and much more bloodthirsty.
25 Jun 07
That's a very good point. If the King or Queen messes up, he shames not only his country but his family too. He has an inherent interest in the nation, unlike elected leaders.
@pismeof (855)
• United States
25 Jun 07
In my opinion a Republic is the way to go;At least the people get to vote.What good is a King or Queen that sucks up tax dollars but doesn't serve the people or have any real political power? Seems like a rather outdated way of governing to me.A President can at least be voted out every 4 years if he or she isn't productive in some way .The same goes for our Representatives they must serve their respective districts or it's hit the road jack.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
they have a symbolic power....and a Republic president, except in france and USA, has the same power as the king pismeof...they're equivalent.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Jun 07
Actualy thats not true, the president has no more power than congress or the seupreme court. We have no "supreme leader" or "top man" in our system. It is a balanced system of powers distributed among many and not placed in the hands of one or even a few.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Jun 07
i just re read your post, i missed the part where u said except the usa and france. sorry, lol
• United States
25 Jun 07
I have only lived in the U.S. where ther's a President. And he is kept in check by the Congress, the Congress has to approve what laws he makes. And even then it doesn't really effect your day to day life who is president.A monarchy wouldn't work here. It is hard to get most americans to follow the laws we have now, they wouldn't follow a monarch.From a far a Parlamentary Monarchy looks good to me. you have the king or Queen who is the symbol of the country and a Parliment that runs the country.Here the president tries to do both. And most of them are bad at one or both jobs.Is America respected or hated all depends on the present president.
@livewyre (2450)
2 Jul 07
Don't bet on it! I think you have understood the situation and explained it pretty well. We all have different forms of government that have evolved throughout our history. Each is suited to it's own environment, so transposing a system that works in one country onto another does not make any sense. In the UK, we have the right background and history to support a monarchy. In the US, history had proved that monarchy was not a suitable form of government for this relatively new and diverse society. Each to his own - as you say the US president is very much the public face of America, in the UK, the prime minister and the monarch each represent a different aspect of our country - although they would never publicly disagree I think most people can understand that each role is distinct from the other.
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• United States
27 Jun 07
I bet the Prime Minister is more respected by the people than our present president is.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
Well USA's President is not the best example. In the usa, there is no Prime minister, the president assumes both roles. But in most of other republics prime minister does most executive stuff, and the president is mostly representative only.
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@saralee1 (1983)
• United States
29 Jun 07
Right now, I'd prefer Anarchy. well, at least 20%, but it does get me into political trouble. main reason being, is because they want to combine Canada, the US and Mexico into one state, and change our currency to the Amero, and place chips in our arm which is mandatory by May 2008. Our Government is actually ran by the banks, not the people. Our last great president was Kennedy, and he was shot. Personally, I think it is kinda cool to have a king and Queen.And, passing it down generation to generation prevents it from changing too much. The problem with a presidency, is that it changes every 4-8 years, and people are never happy. you get it the way you like it for 4-8 years, and then the whole country changes when the next party is elected. that just makes it confusing,and ticks people off to no end. keep in mind, all governments fail. there is no exception to the rules. absolute corruption corrupts absolutely.
@livewyre (2450)
2 Jul 07
Very interesting Saralee, In principle I think you have to admit that the human race is basically anarchic, though I'm not sure how many anarchists would support the idea of micro-chip implants... Also combining states does not really fit with the classic anarchistic stance (or being in favour of monarchy). So basically I think you may be developing a new political strain - the 20% anarchy movement which will willingly have itself micro-chipped and support a monarchy who will take over neighbouring states. Of course this will necessitate a war with the UK ('defending' Canada) and probably a few South American countries (in the defence of Mexico), but we shouldn't let that stand in the way of progress... You have some pretty radical ideas, lets go with the flow and see where it takes us... though I think you might need to extend the deadline on the micro-chip thing unless you already have measures in place to take over the current system of government.
• Singapore
29 Jun 07
I prefer Republic than Monarchy in this case however, I significantly prefer democratic because of its freedom to speech, voice and others.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
29 Jun 07
well yeah, but none of both systems are incompatible with democracy. I would also be against any system, republican or monarchy, that went against democracy.
• Singapore
2 Jul 07
Long Live Democracy
@seksiconnie (1173)
• Philippines
25 Jun 07
hey, in our country we dont have that, so i wish we have king's and queen's..if i take it my way,i would want to have a king and queen.. for a change.. coz ,here in our country..all of them our playing smart, so your not sure who to vote and who to trust. :(
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
Well it's the same if you have a king or queen hon...unless it's the king who really rules the country..but that wouldn't be nice because we wouldn't have democracy anymore. Our king is not like Saudi Arabia's or Jordan's king. Our king isn't the ruler.
• United States
26 Jun 07
Hey, how about having King Albert the First?
• Philippines
25 Jun 07
hm, ok all clear hon.. :)
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
25 Jun 07
As an American, I don't know what it would be like to live in a country with a royal family. I really must say that I don't understand it. Your government really is like mine, the real power rest in the hands of those who are elected. The nuts and bolts are a little bit different. The one thing I just don't understand is you have a powerless monarchy. I mean what is the point of having a king or a queen that is suppose to be the highest authority, but has absolutely no power. In my country, we have a president, he is the most powerful one person in the country. He has the power to approve laws or veto them. I am definately a supporter of the American Republic. I can't honestly say that I know one person in the USA that if given the choice would support a monarchy over the system we have today.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
thanks for replying gew. I know that for someone like you, an american, its hard to understand...The role our king plays is representing all spaniards, beyond the party or ideology they support. In the usa, the President does it all, and maybe in your culture it works fine, but here i think it's great that our highest institution is not tied to any of the main parties.
@rhinoboy (2129)
25 Jun 07
I agree wholeheartedly with livewyre. It astonishes me that our hard-earned taxes pay the salaries of a bunch of petty, lying, sly, conniving, power-hungry back-biters that make up the UK government. I despise the thought that we pay literally millions to allow them to spend their days seeking good publicity for themselves and trying to make eachother look bad. I'm not a great fan of monarchy either! I like the ideal of communism, for a country to be run by and for the benefit of it's citizens, but human greed will never allow that to be fairly and evenly administered. As has been seen in former and current communist countries, government administrators who should be servants of the people attain too much power.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
thanks as usual rhino...i kinda agree with what you said.
@livewyre (2450)
26 Jun 07
back at you rhinoboy... I am no commie, but the principles are sound, it's just that it doesn't match human nature, we are naturally competitive. You should try living in Wales where we have central government representation in London, assembly representation in Cardiff and european representation in Brussels - three MP's for every job!!! We are sooooo lucky!!!
@smacksman (6053)
25 Jun 07
Monarchy every time. Why? Because, as you said, they are a stabilising influence on politics. Prime Ministers can come and go of all political flavours but a King or Queen are there as the focal point of the nation for their lifetime.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
one good thing about monarchy (parlamentary and democratic, of course) is that the king has no public ideology, so it's a king for ALL the people, and is never tied up to any party of movement. A president obviously is.
@4ftfingers (1310)
25 Jun 07
I'm from the UK and I think the monarchy is great! People say they're a waste of money... they arn't in touch with society... have no use in modern day Britain. I agree that they are absolutely useless but I don't care, they're great for many things - moral, nationalism, tourism, etc. I'm proud of our Monarchal history and would hate to have a president. I don't think it makes any difference, democratically - we still have an elected representative government. Our electoral system is a bit out dated but that's nothing to do with the Monarchy. Are you proud of your Monarchy?
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
I don't have any problem with my monarchy, our king is a nice guy..but im not anti nor pro...i just accept how things are...changing into a republic in spain might not be a good idea because spain is very special, very diverse and has several nationalist movements inside it, so having a symbol to unite us all as a nation is great.
@cdparazo (5765)
• Philippines
27 Jun 07
I don't really favor one from the other. I belong to a democratic republic with Presidential type of government. The president is vested with executive power, the house of representatives with the legislations and the judiciary with the implementation and interpretation of the laws of the land. Those countries that has parliamentary monarchy are like that because it has been shaped by their history and culture. Countries like ours doesn't have kings or queens because we had to contend with being colonized and subjugated for hundreds of years and being under a foreign power. The same thing also happened to what is now USA. The native kings and queens that we have and our old system of government just went into nothingness when foreign power imposed their own system on us. Today, our system and government is what it is now because of what we have gone through as a people and as a nation.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
27 Jun 07
Obviously your system is highly influenced by the USA model. It's not good nor bad, it's just different. thank you for sharing hon.
• United States
26 Jun 07
If having a figurehead in the form of a non ruling monarchy comforts you and is a meaningful symbol for you then there is nothing wrong with it. I know as Americans we don't get why they are entitled to wealth they did not earn but we have nothing to say about it.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
26 Jun 07
Yes, even though western culture is really global nowadays so that we're basically the same in europe, usa, etc there are still some concepts and customs that are hard to conceive in other countries, and i think that the existence of a king is one of them :)
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Jun 07
Personaly, i couldnt live under a monarchy. I like being able to selectmy leaders and know that those leaders are answerable only to me and not a king or queen. we may not have a perfect system here but what is?
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
thanks for sharing.
• India
26 Jun 07
We have Republic here in India. India is considered as the largest democratic republic in the whole world. But, yes, democracy also has some evils which might be spared if there exists parliamentary monarchy. Due to liberal policies in our country we face a lot of corruption, red-tapism and other such evils in the society. Due to democracy 1/3 majority is a must from the ruling party to come into existance. Moreover, if any law is to be passed it has to go through both the houses and then to the president. But many a times such laws are only beneficial to the politicians and not to the general public. Here, the president has less powers when compared to the prime minister unlike in other nations where president is considered the ultimate authority in any circumstances.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
26 Jun 07
Yes, India is the most populated democracy on earth. And yes, India has a model of a "classical" republic, unlike the USA or France. I think that's the best model among republics, and the closest to parlamentary monarchies. I am glad that, despite all the great social problems you still have in India, you have managed to maintain democracy for so long...it's a really unique example worldwide.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Jun 07
The Royalty in a Parlamentary Monarchy are nothing more than the richest recipients of welfare in the world. Their claim to fame is just "lucky sperm". ;~D
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
lol, interesting way of defining it para hehehe. So i take it that you're defending republic over monarchy, right?
@livewyre (2450)
25 Jun 07
We have a monarchy in the UK, so this is a hot topic for us. Personally I am not very keen on ANY politicians so I don't think monarchy is so bad.. It's not ideal admittedly but I am of the opinion that anybody who WANTS power should be denied it!! A monarch born into the role as leader has no choice and will probably not be a megalomaniac.. whereas anybody voted into power has stepped on friends and family to attain their lofty position. Our political system favours liars and short-term thinking (ie. 5 year term, MUST bow to the popular vote every 5 years). Democracy has failed to adequately replace the monarchy. In Wales, the 'assembly' government is likely to comprise of all the losers of the vote - that's just plain ridiculous. Let me explain - the most votes were recorded by the Labour party, however any combination of four parties could form a majority government... For example if the Liberal Party and Plaid Cymru (local nationalists) could reach agreement, they could form a Government even though the both LOST the election...!!! This is not a fantasy scenario, it's actually happening right now. Fortunately politicians are naturally incompetent nasty little back-biters, so they are completely pre-occupied with this at the moment, each desperate to out-do the others... consequently some agreement will be reached at some point. But do I care? will it make any difference to my life whatsoever?? NO I couldn't give a damn.... Ohhhh now what was the question..?? oh yeah monarchy - I'm sure there are plenty of people who will say it's undemocratic and archaic, but tell me how it is worse than being ruled by all the losers of your last election??? And even worse, if you don't have a monarch you have to have a president - I have a question for you... Please compare the dignity and integrity of ANY monarch you know and compare it to ANY president you have ever heard of??? The only one that could come close in my opinion is President Carter... and I bet he would favour monarchy over presidents any day...
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
25 Jun 07
very well explained, thank you for the post livewyre.
• Canada
25 Jun 07
Monarchy is the past... At least you can oust a President if/when u don't like them. Kings/Queens are politicians like all other politicians, except they cost alot more money to taxpyers. I'd definitely go for a strong president/head of government, elected directly by people, with no more than 2 mandates, 8-10 years in power.