My Gender Rant

By Leca
@lecanis (16647)
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
October 6, 2007 9:54am CST
Of all the things I am sick of about the world, today "gender" is topping my list. I am just sick of it. "You can't understand this because you are female!" "This is just how men are!" "You should get along because you are both women!" "You should be more interested in female things!" "You think this way because you are a woman!" Gah! The next person who tells me I am or am not anything because of my gender, to my face, is going to die. I've decided it already. Die horribly and painfully. I'm just sick of people deciding they know something about me because of gender. Sure, if you look at me, you can see that I am a woman. That tells you NOTHING about me other than what reproductive organs I have. That's it. Period. I don't even want to know what gender anyone is anymore. I'm not interested. I don't care. What genitalia you have doesn't give me any insight into how you think or feel. And if it does, that means that you are giving into stereotypes and social conditioning rather than being your own person. So I don't want to talk to you anyway. Um, yes, this is a rant. You're free to reply if you want. I'm not saying I won't respond. But just be aware that I am in a ranting mood today.
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25 responses
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
7 Feb 08
Ssshhh,,, Don't tell anyone, but I can sew & cook. I also don't care to watch sports on TV. If I'm not playing in them, I don't care. If I wanted to watch cars zip by I'd sit on the side of the highway. At least then it wouldn't be the same cars every time. If you want me to watch football edit the game down to just the really bad hits where it looks like the guys head is going to fly off. That's amusing. Now that we've tossed out the stereotypical molds... Hope your day gets better.
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
12 Feb 08
Will if I've made your day any better than I've done well. Keep giving me good stuff to respond to & I'll keep trying to amuse you.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
11 Feb 08
I would have bet you could sew at least, if not cook. Don't ask why I thought that. :P My day always gets better when I see your responses, you know. You make me smile. :P
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
24 Oct 07
Sing it, Lecanis! I've been saying the same thing for years. I've stressed how stupid the effects of social conditioning and gender roles are. These things aren't undeniable facts, they're OPTIONS. A girl can like pink and make-up if she wants...but then, so can guys. A guy can like working on cars and fixing things...but so can girls. It doesn't freaking matter. We're ALL individuals.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
24 Oct 07
Exactly! And I'm so glad to hear that so many more people than I expected agree with me on this stuff! =P
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• United States
29 Oct 07
Believe me, so am I. Lol.
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@Riptide (2758)
• United States
6 Oct 07
You said exactly how I feel. I think this shows that women are not being treated as equally as we believe they are. I had a heated discussion with a coworker about that. He asked me and a colleague how long we have been married and she said 33 years and I said 17. He said, well we must have done something right to be married that long, so my response was, and since when is it all up the woman to make a marriage last? Are you implying that if we were divorced we must have done something wrong? Another thing is, the assumption that women like to clean so therefore let's leave all the cleaning up to them even if she works as many if not more hours a week then the man! And one more thing, I don't have PMS just because I tell someone where to go and how to get there if they piss me the hell off!
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
Wow, yes that is a ridiculous implication. How frustrating. That last one is one that really bothers me a lot, people thinking that they can blame my opinions and emotions on PMS all the time. Bleh.
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
3 Feb 08
*sighs* I work with 3 women who are all going through or have recently gone through a divorce. I hear male negativity every day. Finally I said hey if you 3 had a clue what I have been through in two marriages you might not see it just from the womens point of view. They have toned things down a bit since I said soemthing.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
3 Feb 08
I'm glad that you stood up for yourself here! I know a lot of people probably think of me as some kind of rabid feminist because I'm always protesting the stereotypes I deal with, but such stereotypes about males bother me just as much. Any kind of gender stereotyping and negativity bothers me! Good for you for letting them know how you feel! :)
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
13 Oct 07
I can understand your frustration. I'm a housewife for right now but its not my thing. I was never in dolls - liked books a lot better. Never good at doing my own nails and such. I also like to consider myself a nice mixture of yin and yang. A combination of what is considered masculine and feminine. Strength and softness, assertiveness (in certain situations - like professional - talking to a director about a new idea or something that isn't appropriate) and laidbackness(yeah made up word!). You know. Psychics who have seen specifics about my current life have said they've seen me as a warrior in a past life, one said they saw me in full battle gear on a mountain roaring into the night. Sounded right, just as right as the claims that I was priestess. Anyway, hope you're not in a ranting mood. What others think isn't important - what you think, feel and believe is.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
13 Oct 07
I think really I started this discussion because I wanted to know that I wasn't alone in my feelings of having traits associated with both genders... and that's definitely happened. I just get tired of being told there's something wrong with me because of this, or treated as if I'm doing something I shouldn't when I do things I enjoy. *shrugs* The past life thing is interesting. As you've probably caught on from my previous posts, I've been working with various spiritual things since I was about four years old. So I've done some work looking into my own past lives. Apparently part of the reason that the Goddess I now follow came to me is that I have followed her in previous lives, which means in many cases I was also either a warrior, or a priestess, or both.
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
3 Feb 08
I think ALL men and women have "male" and "female" traits. Everyone has them to different degrees. I think today, women are more open to allowing their more masculin traits to shoe than men are comfortable allowing their female traits to shoe. I do think we have come a long way though. I also think that sometimes we, as women spend so much time trying "to prove the guys wrong" that sometimes we stifle our feminine side too much. There is nothing wrong with embracing who you are. If you enjoy the things that are traditionaly considerend male, you should still go for it. It sounds like you've encountered this discrimination a LOT in your life, lecanis, maybe you could share some of your specific experiences with us sometime?
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
6 Oct 07
Hi lecanis, Good for you! It's about time someone said this. Excellent. Blessings.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
Thanks! Blessings to you as well! =)
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6 Oct 07
I know what you mean as I do not fall into the stereotypical view of what a woman should be and I often get comments made to me about this and it pisses me off too. "A Geezer Bird" is one I get called as I drink pints and love football, what the F*CK! I have been in places where men sit in one corner and women sit in the other and the two never meet when going out in groups of couples. I end up sitting with the men as the womens conversations are so boring...diets, handbags or shoes!!! Once I was watching a boxing match with this bloke and I kept trying to tell him that the boxer he was betting on was going to loose. I was completely ignored by him and when I said it again he looked at me, pointed to my partner and said "Thats your husband". I was furious with him as he felt because I was a woman I had no right to advise him, because a woman knows nothing about boxing. Well, I was right and he lost lots of money because he would not take my advise...just desserts!! I work with kids and I do see that boys and girls are different in many ways due to their genetic make-up and how much testosterone they have. But this does not mean that they are different in every way and so we should not just decide we all have the same traits as this is definately not true. I am who I am, and yes I am female, but don't judge me on your stereotypical views of what a female should be, otherwise, like you Lecanis, I will box them on the nose!!!....and not scratch their eyes out!!LOL
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7 Oct 07
One good thing lecanis, at least we live outside the box!!LOL
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
Haha, you sound so much like me! =P I have that same problem a lot with social things... the men and women will split off, and I'll be like "I am not going to go sit with a bunch of women who are talking about things that don't interest me!" Bleh. I do agree that there are certain genetic and hormonal differences between men and women, but they don't make us anywhere near as different as people like to claim. And many of the differences people call "gender" are social, not genetic or hormonal.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
6 Oct 07
It all comes back to stereotypes, doesn't it. I hate to shop. But I am a woman and women love to shop. I can fix my own car. But I am a woman, so I should't be mechancally inclined. I love sports. But...well, you get the point. The fact of the matter is that we are all individuals inside and we shouldn't be forced into gender roles that we are not comfortable with. I am a person, plain and simple. And this person can do whatever she wants to do and can understand whatever she feels. But maybe it's just a "girl thing." LOL. Don't hit me. LOL
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
6 Oct 07
*laughs* Yup, you're a good example. I don't like to do any of the domestic stuff, and I only learned things like cooking and cleaning from my husband. He's still far better at them than I am. I like sports (playing them more than watching them), and I only like shopping if it's book shopping, or video shopping, or that kind of thing. I like electronics and computers. I love anime, roleplaying games, video games... all things that are typically considered male interests. As a kid, I stole all my brother's toys and tended to destroy my own. =P Hehe, don't worry, I won't hit you. I have a punching bag for that.
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@SpitFire179 (2536)
• Canada
6 Oct 07
You go girl! you know, there's that, and then, then, there's age!! you think that way because your young, your still young, that'll change, your young, you have lots of time, you'll grow up and think differently blah blah blah, well the new thing i say to people like that - Being young teaches me not to be like you when i'm old!!! And yeah that woman thing ticks me off, i'm one of those gals that doesn't think like a female most of the time and it gets right on my last nerve when people pull that woman crap, and moreso when they do the age game. ugh, people.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
Thanks! I had people tell me those things too, that I'd feel differently about everything when I got older. And it's funny because I keep passing the timelines they gave me (5 years, 10 years, 15 years) and my thinking hasn't really changed that much!
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• Canada
7 Oct 07
Yeah, my thinking hasn't changed much if at all in the last 19 years of my life, i doubt it's going to warp much more.
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• Philippines
23 Feb 08
I'm sick and tired of how people categorize women as "weak" though we're stronger than men in some points in the society. Yes, God gave men the authority to head the household and women should submit themselves to their husbands. But, hey, men aren't really superior. I agree that stereotyping is the worst way in judging people. Of course, judging people itself is a bad thing. Since every person is genuine and unique in their own simple ways, then, no two persons are the same. It is just sad that they base the personality of someone with their gender. How they belittle women when it comes to strength. How they misunderstood women's feelings because they thought women can't handle such things. Sociality is an issue, so as to discrimination.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
24 Feb 08
I can't really comment on the religious thing, since I'm not part of that religion. On the rest, you are quite right. It's ridiculous to categorize women as weak, and ridiculous not to recognize that people are unique. Very well said.
@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
8 Oct 07
Great rant - I agree totally, I am so sick of having to 'defend' myself, Ok, I am a women but I am very very independant, love trying new things and will tell you I can repair plumbing, do carpentry work, and mud drywall better than the majority of men I've known. I also know a lot of 'men' who are 100 times better cooks than me.. Don't put me in a cubby hole because of narrow mindedness.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
8 Oct 07
Haha it's amazing how many people here I've identified with! =p My husband is still trying to teach me how to cook, he's very good at it. And when I was young, my brother used to cook for me!
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
8 Oct 07
In my case, I just never got a chance to learn how to cook. I'm still not sure who taught my brother, but we didn't always live with the same relatives, so it must have been during one of the times we weren't together. I can heat things that come out of boxes and cans, and even modify them to make them better (by adding spices or extra ingredients) but doing anything from scratch is hard for me. I had a boyfriend that taught me how to bake bread, though. And my husband is still working on teaching me how to cook other things. =)
@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
8 Oct 07
LOL - I actually used to enjoy cooking and was pretty good at it but found other things I enjoy more. Of my kids, all 3 of the 'boys' (31, 29, 16) are better cooks than my 21 year old daughter.
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@lillake (1630)
• United States
26 Nov 07
I'd say "Amen!" but, well, I'm not the right religion. LOL Many people base their opinions on first impression and stereotypes. If their first impression is that you are a woman they will try to force you into all of their female stereotypes. I hate it, but it's too common. And not jsut with women. Whatever small detail they cling to is what they will use to define you.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Nov 07
Isn't "Amen" just so tempting to steal sometimes! I've tried to find an equivalent that would work for my religion, but then no one else would get it. :P You're right... people will pick out just one detail to cling to and define you. Usually I'm either a "nerd" or a "crazy" depending on what detail it is people are clinging to. I don't mind those titles most of the time, but when people take them too seriously and make claims that aren't true about me based on the stereotype, I get really annoyed.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
26 Nov 07
Ha,ha, I knew there was a reason I like you, lecanis, you sound like my daughter when she rants and raves.. Don't even get her started, she won't stop until someone agrees with her, because if you disagree, that gives her fuel to debate..lol Anyways, I see what you mean by stereotypes, my daughter makes sure I don't do that and in a way, I agree, why say a female doesn't know? I know females that can do home construction much better then men and if I had the money, I probably would hire a female construction worker because they know what my needs are..
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Nov 07
Ha! I bet I would like your daughter then, I'm the same way. ;P I've known some women who did some very stereotypically male jobs and were excellent at them. I learned a lot of my martial arts and self-defense stuff from a female security guard.
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@madlees (1377)
• India
7 Feb 08
Yes, This happens. People make you stereo types and then make scapegoats out of you. They'll label you that you are a woman and you are supposed to behave like this. You are not supposed to behave like a boy. Girls should be soft and gentle and boys can be rough and rude etc. That too in India, it is always said what to wear if you are a girl, what all you should do and how you should behave with others. sometimes one gets too tired and irritated hearing all this. I have been all these days.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
11 Feb 08
*nods* I had an Indian friend when I was in college who often spoke to me of the pressures of life there. She had hoped that things would be different for her in America, and to some extent they were, but she was disappointed that some of the same stereotypes are still applied.
@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
7 Oct 07
Shhhhhh...lecanis, dont kill anybody because of gender steretyping, it takes a long period of staying with someone before you can locate him or her to the right gender-my uncle's wife was a woman of amazing strength both in character and attitude,she did much of the hard things for her family survival and if hard work and family security is a role usually ascribed to men, then she turned the social order upside down and made my uncle look like a woman! But if you lecanis met this woman today on the streets of your city, you will first and foremost attitudewise, treat and handle her as a woman-you will not know that she has the traits for strength and family leadership that is usually apportioned to men! So before you kill anybody today, give them a little chance to know you better, if after showing your true colours they still keep you were you dont belong, then I would join you in mudering such damn headed fellas! But get it from me, this gender thing is not about to go away-you are luckier than your foremothers, they went through disspeakable stereotyping than you are going through today, things will get better and you dont need to kill anybody just yet LOL!
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
Oh, I'll try not to kill anyone, I suppose. But it's just so tempting sometimes! Thanks for sharing the story about your uncle's wife! She kind of makes me think of my great-grandmother, whom I admired a lot.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
29 Oct 07
Well... there is no doubt that it is a stereotype thing. But at the same time... the reverse is true. Women don't understand men anymore than men understand women. "You think this way because you are a woman!" That is exactly right! Men and women think differently. Women are conservative... while men are risk takers. Men don't let every little things worry them... while women do. Not so long ago... men and women played a distinctive role in society. Women decided to change the rules... which is fine. But why do you want to drag the men into your new world? Why do we need to try to understand you wanting to do everything a man can do? While at the same time you want to force us to change... by making us do the dishes... If you don't want to do the dishes... get a dishwasher. If you don't want to have to clean the mess your man makes... don't get married. We have no problem with you not wanting to be women anymore. But leave us out of it. It is not our problem. There are still plenty of women in this world who are prepared to act like women.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Oct 07
Umm, but part of what annoys me is that a lot of the things they're saying I'm like because I'm female... I'm not really like at all. It's easy enough for men to choose not to be with women who are like me as it are for us to choose men who like women like us. Or in my case, men or women who like women like us. *shrugs*
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• United States
13 Nov 07
I am going through this right now with someone. I am told everything that comes out of my mouth is a lie. Why? Because I am a woman! Ugh!!! I don't agree with sterotypes even though I have been guilty a time or two of using them against men. At least I can admit it was wrong of me. ;)
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
13 Nov 07
*shakes her head* Yeah, I've heard this one too, that women always lie. *sighs* How stupid. I always admit it when I realize I am using stereotypes too. However, I think I'm more likely to abuse the ones against women than the ones against men. I work with some women that very much fit some of the stereotypes, so I'll catch myself judging them by that. :P I think admitting you are wrong is really the important thing. The stereotypes are already in our heads. Once in a while, they are going to pop up, so it's seeing them for what they are that is important.
@aissha (2036)
• India
7 Oct 07
hahahhaha ,i'm ready to take u are a dear friend.i'd also put my opinion in my own way,broadly there is no difference between a male and female but.... because of some hormone secretion and different brain orientation we do have some difference and then we women are better then men,i'm very sure about it.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
Thanks for your response! =) Of course there are some differences that are actually caused by genetics and hormones, but not near as many differences as people claim. More of the differences are social than genetic or hormonal, and that's what upsets me, the social ones. I'll readily admit to the genetic ones!
• Algeria
7 Oct 07
Yep , you wrote that because you're a woman , so imple , a woman is kinder than a man , more sensible , understandable , if you're a man you won't complain first , and if you wanna do , you'll wonder why they tell you , you're sarcastic because you're a man, you're violant because of your manly nature , you don't love my cousin kids because you don't have emotion because you're a man, you have to work and bring money because you're the responsible one because you're a man and the list so long , just there will still a difference among man and woman! Men don't claim their internal emotions and moods directly and women do!
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
Eh, it's all stupid stuff, and frustrating. It's funny how many of those things people say about men apply to me easily. =P
@kevere26 (223)
• United States
7 Oct 07
I truly understand where you're coming from! I've given up on being diplomatic and call all men to the carpet when they start in on the sexist lingo. The sad truth of the matter is that we're living in a man's world and so women suffer the emotional, physical, behavioral and financial consequences of this fact. I laugh when I listen to men moan about reverse discrimination in the workplace and welcome them to the back of the bus! I don't care about a person's gender either. I think that focusing on gender dehumanizes all of us and makes people feel like a pile of body parts. People are all about their mind, heart and soul.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
7 Oct 07
The thing is, it's not just men who start in on the sexist stuff. In fact, I've been chastised for not being feminine enough by far more women than men. So it's not a problem caused by "male oppression" as much as a problem caused by societal expectations of both genders. I get just as annoyed when my guy friends are discriminated against for not being masculine enough. "I think that focusing on gender dehumanizes all of us and makes people feel like a pile of body parts. People are all about their mind, heart and soul." I love this. Very well said.