the POPE going to HELL???
February 14, 2008 3:07am CST
What do you guys think about this photo? (refer the photo) that the fire in form of Pope John Paul II. I'm really curious here. What do you believe? I'm not provoking anything, just to ask some opinion... may be there's scientific reason the fire became that form, or...else...believe it or not?.....what's your opinion about it? believe it;-)
15 Feb 08
Hi Posham, In the context of this myLot forum, it's a little difficult to give credence to any alleged connection between the two images shown. There might be a connection (although I don't personally see any), but if so then whoever it relates to would most probably "get it" without having to ask around. I recall many years ago (a long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away - well it might as well have been) being told the story of a well-known professional photographer who had been an atheist. This fellow had one day taken some photos of some clouds out the window of an airplane he was traveling in (as you do when you're a professional photographer in an airplane) and later developed the photos in his own private darkroom. I'd guess he was intending to sell the arty-farty cloud photos to some magazine or other, as a successful professional photographer might. But when he looked at the NEGATIVE of one particular photograph, he fell over backwards, had a litter of kittens, and then had a cow (amazing zoological feats, to be sure!). The negative had what appeared remarkably like an image of Jesus' face - I was shown the picture, and it really was quite astounding. The photographer changed from an atheist to an ardent Christian as a result. The point is that anyone else who saw the picture might not have been affected in this way - but it had personal relevance for the photographer, something that he and he alone experienced. So the flaming image doesn't do anything for me (nor for anyone else, I'd suspect) - but it might have relevance to someone, somewhere. If it inspires a dread of Hell, or prompts anyone to think seriously on such matters, then perhaps it serves some useful purpose.
17 Feb 08
yeah, i understand.. i had my fair shares of faces seen in leaves (not just one leaf, but a whole bunch of them that people carry around their wallet.. i was a witness when the image of the blessed virgin appeared above a coconut tree in our town, i remember sitting on my father's shoulder as we marvel the event. heck, i even got to witness when roses rained in our cathedral with our place not known for any abundancy of roses anywhere near sight.. those i witnessed had an effect on me.. too bad this one with the pope does not in any way..
14 Feb 08
Hi anotherbirthday, It's difficult to accept that anyone might be discussing this subject in anything other than a flippant manner. The immediate questions in my mind are where exactly did the image of a fire originate, if it is a genuine undoctored photograph then who took it, and why would one consider that it had any particular relation with Pope John Paul II? Beyond those questions, if there was any (supernatural) connection between the flaming image and that of Pope John Paul II, then one might expect that the author of that linkage would convey the meaning if any was intended. As it appears right now, I'm not seeing anything but an image of a fire which (seemingly) has momentarily acquired an outline (in 2 dimensions) that is somewhat similar to the posture of Pope John Paul II in another image. That posture would also be mimmicked in countless other photographs, of other people and other objects, that one might find if one had the time to trawl through them. So the question is really a little pointless, being open-ended as it is. Unless there is some substantial body of information that somehow establishes a tangible relation between the two images (beyond their cursory figurative similarity), then the answer to your question is "No", there's no basis from any of this whatsoever to presume anythng at all about Pope John Paul II's destination in the afterlife. Moreover, even if there WAS a demonstrable connection between the two images - a "supernatural" connection, as one might speculate (as opposed to the simple connection of deliberate intent if someone has synthesized a fiery image to mimic the posture of the Pope in the other image) - this would nonetheless speak nothing of the fate of the Pope. Rather, logic dictates that such a "supernatural" event should convey something of importance to the viewers, namely US, that is, YOU and ME. And knowing the great virtue, chastity, purity and self-sacrifice that punctuated Pope John Paul II's time in the Pontiff's chair, I'd personally be a lot more worried about my own chance of ending up in a furnace.
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14 Feb 08
I think the Pope was a great humanitarian, however just like you not to cause issues, I do not believe he was a benefit to the church. (Please, if you have issues with what I say, I am sorry but I have said this from day one of knowing who and what he was.) I am curious where you got that photo. It's great actually. Very much like him. I am feeling that we are on the same wave length of this topic. Ainge
3 Jan 13
A cartoon drawn at the time of the Reformation actually shows the Pope being dragged down to hell by demons. The Roman Catholics retaliated by publishing a cartoon showing the devil turning a barrel organ-type handle linked to Luther's head. I've no doubt that each Pope, being a fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2 (see Christopher Wordsworth's "Is the Papacy predicted by St Paul? An Enquiry"), is in hell, other than, for the moment, Ratzinger and his successors.