Does this scare you?

@MsTickle (25180)
Australia
March 26, 2008 10:23am CST
Big chunk of Antarctic ice shelf falling apart Enlarge WASHINGTON (AFP) - Antarctica's massive Wilkins Ice Shelf has begun disintegrating under the effects of global warming, satellite images by the University of Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center showed. The collapse of a substantial section of the shelf was triggered February 28 when an iceberg measuring 41 by 2.4 kilometers (25.5 by 1.5 miles) broke off its southwestern front. That movement led to disintegration of the shelf's interior, of which 414 square kilometers (160 square miles) have already disappeared, scientists say. The Wilkins Ice Shelf is a broad plate of permanent floating ice 1,609 kilometers (1,000 miles) south of South America, on the southwest Antarctic Peninsula. Now, as a result of recent losses, a large part of the 12,950-square-kilometer (5,000-square-mile) shelf is supported by a narrow 5.6-kilometer (3.5-mile) strip of ice between two islands, scientists said. ADVERTISEMENT "If there is a little bit more retreat, this last 'ice buttress' could collapse and we'd likely lose about half the total ice shelf area in the next few years," NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos said in a statement. "Wilkins is the largest ice shelf on West Antarctica yet to be threatened. This shelf is hanging by a thread," echoed David Vaughan of the British Antarctic Survey, which contributed data on the break-up. Jim Elliott, who was onboard a British Antarctic Survey Twin Otter aircraft sent to video the extent of the damage, said the scene looked like a bomb site. "I've never seen anything like this before -- it was awesome," he said in a BAS statement. "We flew along the main crack and observed the sheer scale of movement from the breakage. "Big hefty chunks of ice, the size of small houses, look as though they've been thrown around like rubble -- it's like an explosion." Antarctica has suffered unprecedented warming in the last 50 years -- with several ice shelves retreating and six of them collapsing since the 1970s. "Climate warming in the Antarctic Peninsula has pushed the limit of viability for ice shelves further south, setting some of them that used to be stable on a course of retreat and eventual loss," Vaughan said. Vaughan said the Wilkins breakout would not affect sea levels because it was already floating when it broke off. "But it is another indication of the impact that climate change is having on the region." Over the past half century, the western Antarctic Peninsula has experienced the steepest temperature increase on Earth, 0.5 degrees Celsius (0.9 Farenheit) per decade. "We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing a breakup," said Scambos, who first spotted the disintegration in March. With the Antarctic summer drawing to a close, scientists do not expect the ice shelf to further disintegrate in the next several months. "This unusual show is over for this season," said Scambos. "But come January, we'll be watching to see if the Wilkins continues to fall apart." Ultimately, ice shelf breakup in the Antarctic -- more than 13,000 square kilometers (5,000 square miles) have been lost over the past 50 years -- could significantly increase ocean levels around the world. In 1995 the Larsen A Ice Shelf -- 75 kilometers (47 miles) long and 35 kilometers (22 miles) wide -- disintegrated, fragmenting into icebergs in the Weddell Sea. In March 2002, a NASA satellite captured the collapse of Larsen B, which had a surface area of 3,850 square kilometers (1,486 square miles), was 200 meters (656 feet) high, and packed in 720 billion tonnes of ice. It took just 30 days to break apart. According to some calculations based on the present sea level rise of three millimeters per year (0.11 inches), ocean levels could rise by 1.4 meters (4.6 feet) by the end of the century. Sorry it's so long. Do you think the world will be destroyed...not in our lifetime but within a few generations?
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
28 Mar 08
no I do not think the world is being destroy only the face of it is changing, and we have to be careful not to damage it anymore than it is already damaged.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Mar 08
We do need to be more careful, each and every one of us but sometimes we need to use our voice as well.
@BigO32 (47)
• United States
27 Mar 08
This is a cery interesting thing that is happening. To answer your question, eventually the world would be destroyed as eons of time goes by, but we are definately helping. Not only are we helping out this process but we are making the effects be felt today. As a car driver and consumer to all things bad to our planet, I do care for its well being. I have a son and can now relate to the saying "what kind of planet are we leaving our children" makes more sense. I love everything outdoors and its a shame to have been able to see the changes in my own 30 year life. I live in South Florida and the one big nature item we have is the Everglades. Just as the Ice sheets are important to our planet, the glades has a smaller effect to the state. Water restrictions and conservation is something that we have been dealing regularly now for the past 5 years. They are so bad that people actually follow them because they WILL get a fine. Our great Lake Okeechobee has been below regular levels for about 3+ years and we all feel its effect. I think that this "Going Green" philosophy is great and will just take time to really catch on. Its a small step, but it can prolong the life of our beautiful planet!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Mar 08
Thankyou for that input. We don't hear much about the everglades where I live. I hope people get the message sooner rather than later.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
26 Mar 08
Sadly it's not a case of if any more my friend it's a case of when. Trouble is a lot of people think that it won't happen in their lifetime so they carry on regardless without a care, they don't realize that their children's children may not a have a world left, or more's the point if they don't have children themselves they have no one to give it to, which could make them selfish. We have destroyed this good earth and it is us to blame. I don't think we can change what will happen we can slow the process down but we can't stop it. We reap what we sow!
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Mar 08
I try to be minimal in my use of water, power and fuel but I know there is much more I could do if I tried harder. I look around and I see so much degradation and waste and I become quite sad and concerned, angry and depressed.
@stvasile (7306)
• Romania
26 Mar 08
It doesn't scare me as much as the peoples' stupidity. I f all the people would eliminate from their daily routine the actions that are aggressive to the environment I'd feel much safer. Ocean level rising doesn't scare me, because I don't live near the shoreline, what scares me most it's the effect that oceanic currents change might have on the climate. The World will not end within a few generations, the world will go on for many millions of years, with or without humans. Mankind may perish in a few thousands years, but I'm not sure that's so bad for the planet. Sometimes I believe we are truly stupid creatures.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Mar 08
And ignorant. I can't believe that the education of youngsters is still so lacking in the basic realities of life.
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@mummymo (23706)
26 Mar 08
You know sweetheart it does scare me and I know that we have contributed to the changes but I also think that our planet has gone through constant changes since it was created! Land mass breaking apart and forming the continents, the ice age etc so maybe it would be happening no matter what! I do think though that we need to do all we can to slow down the process! xxx
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Mar 08
If every educated person would simply avail themselves of a little knowledge and play their small part, I believe we could make significant changes. We take too much for granted in this place where we live in my opinion. Thanks for your thoughtful input my friend. xxxx
• United States
26 Mar 08
I'm not going to be alive to see it. My kids may be and grandchildren should be but if projects like desalination become more improved during this 90+ year time frame I don't see the ocean levels rising too much if we consistently draw water from the oceans and turn it into drinking water. Scientists have plenty of time to figure out a way for this not to become a world ending event. They had better get to work.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Mar 08
I think we all need to be doing our bit. Use less fuel, plant more trees, concerve our natural resources. We can't just leave it up to the scientists.
• United States
29 Mar 08
When things like this happen, it really makes you stop and think. I know so many people just laugh it off and believe that it is the government trying to cause confusion. Well, if we don't do something, there will be mass confusion. In the words of Bill Cosby...How long can you tread water?
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
30 Mar 08
I think there are other issues that take precedence as dodoguy pointed out. Historically, global warming is inevitable...who knows, by the time water levels have reached undesired levels, man may have colonised another planet. We need to educate ourselves to the needs of the planet and act in whatever way we can. We probably won't.
@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
27 Mar 08
Yes, It is scary. i remember watching al gore's documentary on global warming. its a must see film. It tackles all issues and this is really alarming! the more we neglect this the more scary it becomes as the day goes by.
• United States
27 Mar 08
Yes this is very scary I think. I think if things continue to go as they are then yes it's quite possible that the world as we know it will be.
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@benthose (474)
• India
27 Mar 08
I'll answer all your questions: This doesn't scare me.. Because it wont get serious enough before my lifetime ends.. So my life wont be threatened by the environmental effects. You might call me selfish. But the truth is that whatever I do, the world cannot be saved.. So why waste energy?? Why don't I simply party for being part of one of the last healthy human generations on earth?? The world cannot be destroyed unless a huge asteroid falls on it or the earth collapses into the sun.. But, I think what you mean by "earth being destroyed" is the extinction of the human species. Yes.. The human race will go extinct. It is simply inevitable. Whatever humans do to save themselves will go in vain. May even other innocent species (or maybe all of them) will go extinct.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
28 Mar 08
Hi benthose, I live in Australia, and I do actually empathize with much of what you say. But the world is not what it seems - not by a long shot. Rampant greed and colonial chauvinism has ravaged much of the global ecology, and IMO that's jeopardizing the habitability of the biosphere. Misallocation of resources at the expense of the many for the benefit of the few. Long-term folly for short-term gain. BUT IMO the "global warming" thing is a big, fat, very red herring. The SUN is the principle agent of "global warming". And there's little that anyone can do to modify the Sun's behavior. All the hype and misinformation about "global warming" does apparently provide an effective mechanism for the few in power to distract and manipulate the rest of the population, however. Sort of like keeping everyone watching one hand, while the other hand gets up to mischief behind our backs. So while we're all frantically learning to roller-skate to "stop global warming", what's left of the world's rainforests are being conveniently and quietly bulldozed for whatever remaining profit can still be screwed out of them. And a couple million Middle-Eastern and African residents get quietly slaughtered, out-of-sight, out-of-mind, in the "clash of civilizations" orchestrated for the purpose of annexing oil resources, while we all spend time and effort fretting about how to "stop global warming". It's a mess, that's for sure. But Americans and other Westerners aren't to blame for "global warming". The Sun is the culprit there. The real damage being done to the planet has mostly already been done, and it's continuing unabated, just like it has for the last couple of thousand years. We've lost half of the world's forest cover since Roman times, and what's left won't last for too much longer. And the villain there is greed - human greed - just like it's always been. At the present time, the seat of power rests with the Western world, and so that's where much of the world's problems are coming from - manipulating and exploiting those countries in less advantageous positions, just like human civilizations have always done. But the world's power is now shifting towards China, India, Russia and South America, and rightly so. The problems of Empire will also likely shift to those areas, including the pattern of manipulating and exploiting less powerful and wealthy nations. That's what Empires do, it's what humans do - always have, always will. And there's another angle to the issue of exploitation. Americans are actually a kind and benevolent race of people - very naive about the rest of the world, but friendly and gregarious nonetheless. The same as most people everywhere around the world - people are people, and they mostly just want to raise families, get enough food to live and have somewhere to sleep at night. The PROBLEM with the USA and most any country that abuses its position in the world is the mongrels who RUN the joint. And at the moment, IMO we have a bunch of fascists at the helm in the USA. Up to this point, the capitalistic nature of the American democracy has seen widespread abuses around the world, just like the Soviet bloc of the same period. But what's going on now is more blatant and aggressive - and the pattern is spreading to other countries around the world. W@hat's more, the American people (and those in many other Western countries) are also being ground down and exploited by the ruling elite. Don't believe the propaganda, the standard of living in the English speaking world is NOT rising - it's actually been sliding for a few decades now, as the wealth is being systematically transferred from the working class to the ruling class. There are a great many people in the USA and other similar cultures who are seriously malnourished because they can't make enough money to survive. Remember that shift in the balance of world power? Economic good fortune will follow that shift, as will economic mayhem for those countries that lose it. I would expect that countries like India and China have rosier futures in store than many Western nations, a least for the next few generations. BUT as to the "global warming" issue, as I stated, IMO it's a red herring. And meanwhile, little is being done to stop deliberate ecological destruction all around the world in pursuit of profits. The saga of Japanese whale-hunting is, in my view, a metaphor for humanity's short-sighted, self-interested cynicism for the welfare of the world. Why do they do it? Because they can. Because they have lots of money. And because no-one has the balls to stop them.
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@benthose (474)
• India
27 Mar 08
And yes.. I wont have to worry about about my kids and grandkids because I don't have any and am not planning to have any!!
@benthose (474)
• India
27 Mar 08
Hey you Americans and people from other developed countries out there.. You are the ones responsible for this.. You ought to be guilty Do you have any idea how much energy you waste by unnecessary usage?? Please stop it.. Learn from the developing countries like India.. Or may be undo your sins by starving like the people in underdeveloped countries..
@mizrae (587)
• United States
26 Mar 08
where on earth did you get this junk science? have you done any other research on this subject? or are you getting your facts from the "propaganda" news stations? If you want the real truth, I suggest you watch this interview with the founder of the Weather Channel, John Coleman. He is also a T.V. weather man for a news station in San Diego: http://www.thenewamerican.com/node/7524 At one time half the United States was covered with ice! At that time, there was no man made carbon emissions. Oh my goodness, how did all that ice appear then. I suggest you really do your homework and as I've said before "follow the money" These governments want to add a "carbon tax" hello! While I agree we need to work on environmental changes but CO2 emissions is not and never will be the cause of global warming. There is no global warming! It is a hoax.
• Canada
29 Mar 08
Mizrae, The events that Ms. Tickle described are not junk science. This very large icefield really is breaking off and has been documented by many scientists. There is also plenty of evidence in Alaska and the North of Canada. The sad story is that North Americans are the biggest wasters of resources such as water, fossil fuel and electrical power. And the we groan and moan about the price of gas. We are all aware that there was an ice age 10 000 years ago that was not caused by man kind. Maybe the undeniable climate changes that we see these days are part of a natural cycle but we cannot deny that we speed up these changes by our wanton and wasteful uses of the earth's natural resource.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Mar 08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#Greenhouse_gases_in_the_atmosphere this is just one source.
@jstaubin (423)
• United States
26 Mar 08
where I live we have a ridge that was created by glaciers when they were melting and sliding around. You have to remeber the earth was once covered in glaciers and they all melted. Man had nothing to do with it. So no it does not sare me.