Do the Tax Math

@djbtol (5498)
United States
August 27, 2008 10:49pm CST
Obama Hussein's policy throughout the campaign has clearly talked about raising taxes. Most democrats are fine with that. Every improvement that Obama is supposedly going to make will cost major money, especially tax-payer funded health-care for everyone. The total money needed adds up to 800 billion to a trillion dollars. Where does the tax cut fit into this? It can't be, and if it is, it will be a temporary smoke screen. The wealthy people of the country already pay the majority of the taxes, so don't think Obama's shopping funds are going to come from there. Obama is going to need to gut the middle class and give the money to the poor. No matter what you hear during this convention, you better run the numbers through your calculator for a dose of reality. djbtol
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
28 Aug 08
The Tax Policy Center has already done the math: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/presidential_candidates.cfm McCain's tax plan gives absolutely NO benefits to a whopping ONE THIRD of the population (101 million). McCain's tax plan would raise the national debt by $1.2 trillion MORE than Obama's over ten years. About ONE FOURTH of ALL of the tax benefits in John McCain's plan will go to the upper 0.1%. Obama's tax plan will LOWER taxes for 95% of Americans, and those whose taxes do get raised, will have them raised no higher than they were in the 90s. Obama's tax plan will completely ELIMINATE taxes altogether for senior citizens making less than $50,000 a year. Lie all you want, but the tax policies themselves tell a much different tale than you are. While Obama wants to give the middle class the tax breaks it deserves and desperately needs, McCain wants to give them the middle FINGER, and give money to ultra-rich corporations instead, the ones who have already had disproportionate tax cuts for years under Bush. McCain just wants to keep on doing more of the same.
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@djbtol (5498)
• United States
28 Aug 08
You have the liberal leftist line down pretty well. Unfortunately, it's not true. Not your fault, you're just following your man Obama Hussein and his side-kick Bill Ayers. djbtol
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• United States
28 Aug 08
Instead of just calling me a liar, why don't you cite the parts of Obama's tax policy that contradict what I said? Is it because you're full of crap and you know it? Come on, go ahead. Prove that I'm lying if you can.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 Aug 08
ClarusVisum, No one called you a liar! All he said was that you have the leftist liberal rhetoric down to an art or science! Just exactly how does that say "liar"?
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• United States
28 Aug 08
I see by your other responses that your only real interest lies in validating your own biases. (That little "Obama Hussein" lead-in for your discussion was hardly an invitation to serious discourse.) Fine, that's your right. But while you're doing the math, you might take a look at the bottomless deficit pit the current adminstration has dug for the United States. You might recall that Bush came to office with a SURPLUS, a rare occurrence for an incoming president. Doing the math only confirms that Bush and his policies have been disastrous. Likewise, following the statements of the candidate himself only confirms that McCain doesn't really know much about economics. That and his devotion to Bush economic policy speaks volumes to any American struggling to make ends meet.
@djbtol (5498)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Rodney850 - you do have the facts right. The democrat practice of blaming President Bush for everything that is wrong in the world is nothing more than democrat 'hate speech', which I thought they were opposed to. How many hundreds of democrats voted to send our troops into war and then changed their mind, looking for ways to cut their funding and cut their reputation? When victory in Iraq began to surface, the democrats could say nothing nice. When the DNC starts, we are supposed to believe that they are the pro-military party. Unbelievable! The economic relief experienced during the Clinton terms had nothing to do with slick Willie. It was all about the great success Ronald Reagen had in cutting government spending and cutting taxes. Obama is a Hussein, that is his name. I didn't make that up. Maybe some are not proud of his name. Bill Ayers is an anti-America terrorist and proud of it. He also happens to be close buds with Obama Hussein. That's just a fact. A vote for Obama is a vote for Bill Ayers and Rev. Jeremiah Wright. That's just a fact. Obama has on many occassions told us how he feels about the United States of American. Believe me, he likes Africa far better. djbtol
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• United States
28 Aug 08
Facts and opinions are very different. You seem to have confused the two. Your opinion does not a fact make.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Djbtol, I have a feeling you are beating your head against a wall when you talk taxes to liberal democrats! To the liberal democrat the rich man is the reason behind all of the middle to poor class's problems! He just woke up one day and POOF, he was rich! No sacrifices, no risks, no jobs created, just rich! The IRS (those are the people who collect the taxes if you liberals don't know)records show that the top 1% of the wealthiest people in this country pay the lion's share of the taxes already but all of these liberal democrats begrudge them the same tax-cut everyone in the US got through the Bush tax cuts! Yes, you are right, regardless of what any of these liberals say, BHO's "dreams" will cost the American tax-payer much, much more in the long run and in the end, we, as a nation will be much worse off than when GWB was in office! Of course, BHO has to win first!
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@djbtol (5498)
• United States
28 Aug 08
You are a voice of reason and I do beat my head against a wall. When people will not entertain the facts, then arguments go nowhere. Our country is going to go one direction or another after the general election! The American voters will go and choose between 'really bad' and 'not so good'. Then we will all move ahead and see what happens. Here is what kills me about the taxes. You might argue that because of inflation and more demands that government will need more money every year (just like most growing businesses). Business are different in that they are at the same time constantly trying to take cost out and use their money more wisely. When is the last time you saw any such effort (in a meaningful, not symbolic way) from the government? The government does not even give serious thought to cutting expenses and looking at how they use our money. The government is essentially a charity organization where the contributions are forced out of people's pockets. You can look at almost any bill that is passed and you will find hundred's of earmarks. Money being approved for special interests projects. Not only has there been no serious effort at validating the need for this money, neither is there any real effort to hold people accountable for what they do with the money. All of Obama's programs are about major spending increases, so any tax cut that comes about is going to be smoke and mirrors. There is no other way it can be. djbtol
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• United States
29 Aug 08
Snobama knows he has the dumocrats eating out of his nail pierced hands. He's all smoke and mirrors, he doesn't know the first thing about lying and getting away with, that's why Billy Clinton won't help him out. B.O. is not on the ticket yet, I don't care what the telepromter says. Hil and her gang of misappropriated thugs are going to do something before a bunch of mindless salivating for change dolts pull the lever in November for Barry. His tax plan is just that, a liberal tax plan. Punish evil corporations for making a profit, the next time I see his little kids with a lemonade stand I'm going to site them for windfall profits! The only thing that frightens me is a dumocrat pres and a the two houses that the people built. But, I have to look at it this way, he'll screw up and everybody will see the throwback hippies from the 60's and 70's aren't for the people and we'll be able to get some fresh faces and moderate republicans back in control. I have views that don't always wave the banner for the GOP but at least I know where they stand, B.O. and company are liars, plain and simple.
@Hatley (164485)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Aug 08
djbtol I have listened to both McCain and Obama and I can say that for me Obama makes a hell of a lot more sense. McCain is wealthy man who has no clue as to what we working class people need or want and he had done his share of raising taxes. the man does not even know how many houses he has, and this if the person we want as a leader? we do not have the money to own one house,we like alot of people, are renters. do not go there with me on McCain. He wants more war, and more Bush tactics. I for one am sick of Bush a nd McCain.