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@gwoman2 (711)
United States
September 27, 2008 7:45am CST
The truth--what I saw and heard... On last nights debate...Both candidates looked a bit uncomfortable at the start of the debate and McCain's body language screamed anger. Jim had to repeat himself several times to both Obama and McCain...Talk to each other, talk to each other. McCain couldn't, wouldn't look directly at Obama--Why? That was rude and disrespectful! The truth... Both were acusatory on past performances, especially on McCains, and both did not address the crisis that America is in because of the greed and misconduct of the elite and big companies. They also did not address the "why I can lead this country" and both missed opportunities to argue on the bailout and our economy that taxpayers are going to be responsible for. UGH! In my humble opinion I believe Obama did have a much better rapor than McCain...after the first lead question, which by the way was not answered satisfactorily by both candidates and Jim made that crystal clear. The debate left a lot to be desired, they both missed the chance to actually state their positions on the impending depression that we are facing and how do we fix it! Still my opinion of Obama is not shaken--I'm for Obama! Tell me what your take is on last night's debate...this could be very interesting. ~G~
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11 responses
27 Sep 08
I too noticed that McCain seemed angry. He was very dismissive of Obama, as if he wanted to make it seem as if Obama is an idiot. I know he wants to emphasize his experience, but it was not necessary to be so disrespectful to his opponent. Obama, on the other hand was respectful; his body language showed he was listening to his opponent, and he stated the truth when he agreed with what McCain said. It is impossible that Obama said not one thing that McCain agrees with, and yet, he could not bring himself to say one positive thing to his opponent, let alone even look at him. Had Obama treated him that way, the airwaves would be full of statements about how rude Obama had been. I think Obama's willingness to agree with McCain when he does is a good thing. The problems we have in the U.S. will require us to listen to each other. I've discovered whenever I talk to somebody, who disagrees with me on significant points, that I almost always find something we do agree about. If the government did that, they might be able to solve some problems. We have to stop the sound-bite politics that encourage politicians to take glib pot shots all the time, without ever being held accountable for solving problems. I am sure no one would have voted for George Bush if they had really know what he was planning to do. He took a world power and just about destroyed it.
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@4magoo (396)
27 Sep 08
Some excellent points. We need someone who can talk to people and acknowledge their strengths when they have a good point. You can arrive at consensus more easily if you can say something positive about the oppositions position when it warrents. McCain was not able to say anything nice about Obama.
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@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
27 Sep 08
I felt that it was pretty much even. I think both of them missed opportunities for the "knock out punch". Opportunities that I thought presented themselves but were missed. As far as McCain's body language, I just want to remind you that his upper body, particularly his shoulders and arms, have been severely damaged during his time as a POW when he was tortured. His shoulders and arms were repeatedly broken and not reset. He can not raise his arms properly or unhunch his shoulders. Unfortunately that is the only parts of his body you can see during these debates.
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@gwoman2 (711)
• United States
27 Sep 08
Hi Guardian208, thanks for your response. On the body language...I wasn't referring to his "body" per say...I was referring to his inability to connect with Obama as Obama did try with him. I know McCain's history and I admire his courage and all he did and went through while a soldier, the fact remains that he looked angry and disconnected from Obama as if Obama had some kind of radar coming from his eyes that McCain refused to look at him throughout the debate. It seemed that McCain, in his mind, could not accept that he and Obama were on the same stage. ~G~
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• United States
27 Sep 08
I did take McCain's injuries into account when considering his body language. Those injuries don't restrict him from turning to look at Obama, or from addressing him directly as Jim Lehrer repeatedly asked both candidates to do. Commentators keep saying "He couldn't look Obama in the eye" - but it's more a matter of 'He refused to talk TO Obama'. A lot of the criticisms that Obama has taken in the 'style' category are a direct result of that - he appeared to be on the defensive in a lot of cases because he was responding directly to McCain while McCain talked ABOUT Obama.
@4magoo (396)
27 Sep 08
Chameleon I agree. He refused to look at him. The moderator kept trying to get them to talk and Obama would turn to try and talk to McCain but McCain would only look down. It is hard to talk to a sullen figure huntched over his podum.
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@mcat19 (1358)
• United States
27 Sep 08
I think that McCain didn't look at Obama. I don't think Obama was being disrespectful by calling McCain by his first name; these guys know each other; he was being friendly. McCain was distancing himself from a Obama with whom he doesn't really want to share a stage. I really don't think last night's debate changed anyone's mind. As you can see from the reviews, those who like Obama still do; those who are swayed by McCain's lies, still believe them. I am really interested in the VP debate next week. That should be interesting.
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@4magoo (396)
27 Sep 08
If calling an equal by his first name is distrespectful then I am in trouble. These are two SENATORS not the king and a serf. They are equals. On the other hand, I would say that when a moderator asks two people to talk to each other and one REFUSES to look at the other.... that is disrespectful.
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• United States
27 Sep 08
I think that they were both posturing during the whole thing. McCain not looking at Obama. Obama continually trying to talk over McCain. It was a debate, pure and simple. Both were trying to position themselves a certain way in the public's eyes. McCain supporters will find fault with how Obama acted and Obama supporters will find fault in how McCain acted. Anyone who has watched debated before will find that it is really nothing new, just two different guys debating their own way. The only thing that is important is what undecided voters thought. So far I haven't seen many people comment who were undecided. But I will be honest and say that I have not yet read all the responses.
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@mcat19 (1358)
• United States
27 Sep 08
In a CBS News poll, uncommitted voters see Barack as the debate winner. When it comes to the economy, 66% say Barack would make the right decisions versus 42% for McCain. The CNN poll results are also clear: Who did the best job tonight? Barack: 51 McCain: 38 Who would better handle Iraq? Barack: 52 McCain: 47 Who would better handle the economy? Barack: 58 McCain: 37
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@4magoo (396)
27 Sep 08
While I agree that Obama won the debate, I respect both of the candidates skirting the issue of being "too" specific on the bailout. If either of them had said too much saying, "I can't accept the package without X or Y in it," it would have caused their parties to dig in to try and give their candidate what they promised. Neither party would have like to set their candidate up so they would have to eat their words. As such, I believe it was unwise to try and push them into a corner on the issue and wise for them to not say too much.
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@gwoman2 (711)
• United States
27 Sep 08
Hi 4Magoo, great response...thanks for not tearing into me...I've been up since 6 AM watching CNN and MSNBC, Morning Joe...there are so many conflicting opinions on who won and who did or didn't say what was expected. I'm not confused, but I wonder if everyone was watching the same debate that I watched and recorded!! Thanks again 4Magoo. ~G~
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@starr4all (2865)
27 Sep 08
Here's my take on it. There was no clear cut OMG winner. I think it was pretty even, with McCain winning barely. I think Obama did better at the beginning wereas I think McCain knocked it out of the park with foreign policy. Ithink McCain definately showed he had more experience with foreign policy. I didn't like that McCain didn't have eyecontact. I didn't like that Obama didn't show proper respect, but then again, he hasn't in the past with HRC earlier. Like I've said before. These debates won't change anyone's mind who already know who they are going to vote for. But it will sway, one way or another, the fencesitters.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
28 Sep 08
"I didn't like that McCain didn't have eyecontact. I didn't like that Obama didn't show proper respect, but then again, he hasn't in the past with HRC earlier." Exactly what do you mean by "Obama didn't show proper respect"? I think he showed a great deal more respect to McCain than McCain showed to him but that's just my opinion. Annie
@missybal (4492)
• United States
27 Sep 08
Don't see how you can see that. What I observed was obama rolling his eyes and smirking and being disrespectful by calling McCain by his first name when McCain was being very respectful by calling him Senator Obama. And then the disgraceful way that Obama could not remember the name on the bracelet he was wearing that he got from a mother of a fallen soldier. For the taxpayers I do wish McCain would have hit it a bit more home, he did bring up the percent of taxes companies pay in America now and then what they are in Ireland and how come companies are better off taking their companies out of America and he should have gone further with Obama's plan raising that tax even more and that will move these companies out even quicker. Than the ones that really will be hurt is the small business people who will not be able to move out, and will cut back their business and jobs they provide to get under the tax bracket. American's texted in their votes and 84% said they believed McCain won over Obama. Depends on what poll you choose to believe in but all will be told on election day. I do have to say I agreed with Obama more than I have in a long time last night. Mostly because he kept telling "John" he was right!
• United States
27 Sep 08
The 35% McCain was talking about for corporations was before all of the write-offs. After is all said and done, corporations pay far far less than 35%. As far as the small businesses here in our country, unless they make over $250,000 they will also get tax breaks. Obama lays out his small business plan in very great detail on his website. He is a strong supporter of small business. The last 8 years have given many many breaks to the top 1% and corporations with the hope that it would have trickled down to the rest of us. Does anyone think that that happened? Unemployment is up and the cost for goods have risen across the board. All the while many corporations have reported record profits. Companies were allowed to grow so large, that the failure of a few can now collapse our whole economy. Regulations need to be implemented. The market doesn't always self correct. I don't know why this isn't clearer to more people. If we continue with these policies, things will get worse, not better.
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@4magoo (396)
27 Sep 08
Right on Lis... As for the bracelet issue, it was unfortunate that he stumbled over the name. On the other hand he was wearing the bracelet giving to him. McCain wasn't wearing the one given to him.
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@missybal (4492)
• United States
27 Sep 08
Exactly were do you get that Obama is for the small business people, my family owns a small business, my entire area is supported by small businesses. Exactly how much do you think $250,000 is? Really in a great deal of areas where these small businesses exist this is not a lot of money. Do you really think that all these companies are getting these tax breaks and really where do you think that our government is getting the money to support this country... not from you or me that is for sure. Now if you are against these additional tax breaks okay well I agree that some companies (and not all!) have gone overboard due to greed and corruption that much of which McCain has been fighting and should be stopped. But the companies who follow the rules are going to be the ones hurt. And how can you justify 50% to 62% of a tax percentage for large companies to redistribute wealth to those who pay nothing already? These companies will simply pack their bags and move out of America where the taxes are a great deal lower. It will cost them so much less. And then there will be no jobs. It's simple, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. If you think that forcing more money out of the pocket of those providing employment is going to get you a raise or create more jobs... Get Real! As for hope that it would have trickled down to the rest of us, this is bull. Anyone who is in business knows that every company has a percent that they must make in order to call their business a success. If you have more than one third going out then you have coming in consider your company a failure. Companies adjust with the times and a great deal of what everything costs had to do with the stock market. It's investors that drive up the price of everything. Those who look at the conditions around them and gamble on what they believe will happen in the future. Obama voted for the bush-cheney energy bill that contained $6 billion in subsidies to the oil and gas industry and $12 billion to the nuclear power industry, McCain voted against. Obama spent one million dollars for every day he's been in the senate of America's taxpayers money. This is not what we need in America today. His record is nothing but wanting to spend more and more of our money and not worrying about were it comes from. His answer is more government, and lets take the power of the American people to make their own decision away and tell them what they need. I've read Obama's plans in fact was at first thinking he would have been the candidate I would vote for until I read his plans. He has no knowledge on Economics. He's never owned a business. His wealth is from writing books that lined his pocket even more by running for office.
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@twoey68 (13651)
• United States
28 Sep 08
I watched the debate last night on Youtube...all 11 sections. Several ppl have mentioned that McCain wouldn't look at Obama...in truth, he didn't except when they first came out and when they finished. At the same time, Obama was interrupting every chance he got, rolling his eyes, smirking, shot a couple of dirty looks at McCain and both of them rolled right over the commentator when he tried to talk. McCain did flat out say he would put a spending freeze on everything except the vitals until the economy straightened out...Obama insisted that he didn't want to give up his programs including early childhood education. I'm sorry but I think that ppl keeping their homes and jobs are a little more important than early childhood education...afterall, how many ppl are going to be able to put their kids in these programs if their living in the streets. Also I heard McCain talking about working with Pakistan to get them to help us clear up the trouble over there...I heard Obama say that basically if Pakistan got in the way we'd take them out. That doesn't sound like leadership to me...it sounds more like someone who's going to stomp on anyone that gets in his way. Though how he's intending to wipe out anyone when he's planning to do away with our nuclear weapons is beyond me (btw, here's a link to that little speech he made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGru2CPC4E). I think what annoyed me the absolute most in the whole debate was that Obama continuously kept bringing up President Bush and the last 8 years. Ok, so Bush made some errors, no one is saying he didn't, but last time I checked Obama wasn't running against Bush...he's running against McCain. If he's going to assume that McCain is the same as Bush b/c their both Republicans then following that logic we can all assume the Obama is just the same as Bill Clinton and we all know what his years in the White House were like. I think everyone should take the time to research each canidate and VP...look at their voting records and their past experience. Personally, I wouldn't elect Obama as dog catcher but that's just me. [b]**AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~[/b]
@bombshell (11266)
• Germany
28 Sep 08
i even i´m not watching the devate i still prefer Obama for a change.if Obama will wins no more war and the worlds is(not) enough
@stealthy (8188)
• United States
27 Sep 08
I don't agree that Obama won since so much of what he said was out and out lies. For example he did vote, in March actually, to raise taxes on people with incomes as low as $42,000 so his saying he didn't was a lie. I know about this because I am in that category and checked the numbers after the vote and my taxes would double or triple. He can be slick at times in his speeches much as the snake oil salesman in the old west were and what comes out of his mouth has about the same truth as their spiel.
• United States
27 Sep 08
mccain won the debate. what station did all of u guys watch after the debate?
@NrgDfenZ (1810)
• Belgium
27 Sep 08
I haven't seen the debate :D And I don't really care who will win :) All I want is that the best will win :D Have a nice day..