Night and Day class: Whose fault?

@XoyyoX (1055)
China
November 15, 2008 2:04am CST
Yesterday, my US friend Robert had a discussion about day class and night class students with me. He told me that what happens in China is similar to what happens in USA, that's, it's always a low attendance rate for night class students, but quite opposite for day class students. Now i'm teaching night class students, only 1/2 of the total number students can come and attend the class, who is to blame? me, or my students or the society, when i teach day class students i feel very pround of myself, but a little bit depressed when i teach night class students. I know night class students are part-time students, but what's wrong with them?
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@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
15 Nov 08
I think there are various reasons to it. Daytime students are usually full-time students. It's their job so to speak to attend classes. Yet, even some of them cut classes for fun or miss classes due to sickness. You might not notice it, because daytime classes are usually fuller. Nighttime students are rarely full-time students. If they are, they are probably of that variety who prefer nighttime classes because they like to sleep long and spent half of their day doing that. With that kind of attitude you naturally will get more of the cutting the class for fun type of students. However, the majority of nighttime students have daytime jobs. Some overestimate the demands of working and studying and how long it takes to get from work to class. Some have demanding bosses who don't care that a class is scheduled that day and just makes your student work overtime anyway. Some students even know in advance that they won't make it to all classes. They take the exam days off, just to be sure they can be there on those days. Add to that the usual amount of sick students...And of course you notice absences more during those classes as they tend to be much smaller. It's rarely the teacher to blame nor really the student but more the circumstances. Don't blame yourself. If you easily fill the daytime classes, you seem to be a good teacher. If you can't get students to come to those, then it's a sign you are a bad teacher. How could you increase attendance? If that's allowed in your place, have pop-quizzes for extra points, or even part of the required points they need to get in order to pass the class. Some professors put questions in their exams that only students can answer who regularly attended the class, something that's not found in the book(s) assigned for the class. Of course they could always get somebody else's notes...
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@XoyyoX (1055)
• China
17 Nov 08
the attendance is ok for me when i teach daytime or nighttime classes, i did prepare a lot, say half a day to prepare one hour's lesson, so i don't think it's my problem, but besides giving my student lessons ot lectures, i'm also the one who will check ss' attendance when other teachers teach them, so I'm kinda of student advisor. anyway, thanks for your reasons, quite good!
@earthsong (589)
• United States
15 Nov 08
I attend night classes full-time because I work full-time during the day, all of my classes are very well attended. I think it all depends on the student's desire to learn everything they can, and how they react with the instructor. I personally hate missing a class. I am tired at the end of the day, and miss hanging out with my family as much as I used to, but I know that if I miss a class I can't recapture what was discussed/learned, so I make it a point not to miss unless it absolutely can't be helped. Maybe you can try incorporating an incentive for attendance. Make it 10 or 15% of their overall grade. Just tell the students that even if they only get 80% on tests and assignments they might still get an A if they attend every class. That might encourage them to attend, and they'd definitely learn more if they do. That is what my English Comp teacher did and people rarely missed class, even those with As anyway.
• United States
17 Nov 08
Unfortunately, I don't think there is anything you can do for those that just don't care. What do you teach? I know a lot of people complained about our English Comp instructor, but those of us that really want good grades dealt with the frustration for the extra points. I, personally, liked the teacher. But she did demand a lot of effort and sometimes people just aren't used to that.
@XoyyoX (1055)
• China
17 Nov 08
Yeah, in my class, there are a few students like you that have a desire to learn and they never miss any class even if they caught a cold, but not all of them, and soemtimes the class is half-attended. what i can do is also to encourage and care about them. but there are still three or four of them seldom attend the class.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
23 Nov 08
I don't think there is anything wrong with them. I also don't think it is anyone's fault that night attendance is lessened. In night classes you are probably mostly dealing with students who work during the day and can only go to school at night. Full time students, or students who are full time college students, rather tha full time workers prefer to go to school during the day because that is pretty much their job for the time being, and they need the evenings, to rest up and do homework. When I went to college I never felt comfortable taking the night classes because that would mean I would have to walk in the dark after classes let out, and that was always kind of scary. During the day I was not afraid. So I can imagine you get less female students at night for that reason as well.
@23uday (2997)
• India
17 Nov 08
Hi frnds, I think that night class and day class is not a fault one to teach us a students. Both are better classess to listen the students.But maximum time students wants in the day time classess to listen for the students.In night time class they will not listen and don't put that much concentration in night class for students. If the syllabus not compeleted means we can take in the night class for the students.
@nadooa247 (1096)
• United States
15 Nov 08
It is the students fault part time or not they picked that class knowing the time. If i thought i couldn't make the night class i register for then i wouldn't register in the first place. I even delay taking a certain class if it conflicts with my schedule because i AM paying for the class so i intend to attend it and get the most of it. The way i think of it is whether or not i attend the professor still gets paid and its not his/her fault if i dont understand the covered material if i was never there. Some of my professors used to deduct points for poor attendance and that would reflect in the grades. The only way not to loose points was if the professor was told in advance or if the professor was told the next class why a student didn't attend.
@XoyyoX (1055)
• China
17 Nov 08
around 1/3 of my students come for getting the most of the lectures ot lessons, but at least half of them attend the class for obtaining the certificate, which is their only goal, and they don't care how much they can learn from the course.
@nadooa247 (1096)
• United States
17 Nov 08
Well every student comes into a class for simply meeting their degree/certificate requirements... otherwise they wouldn't be registering for your class ;) But they should be trying to get as much from the class as possible i know i sure did try hard. But im guilty of simply trying to get a decent grade in any math related subject since it was a requirement and not something related to my subject area (english and communications)
@smartie0317 (1610)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I'm a day studently mainyl. I attend a university in the US. I've had to take some night class. I think some night students don't take it seriously. They've already got a job usually. So for them it's a promotion usually for taking a class while a day student passing a job can mean getting job. So, day students tend to take it more seriously.
@btwmoney (111)
• United States
15 Nov 08
Yes, it's very depressing to have low attendance. But it doesn't mean anything. I mean maybe it's because it's getting cold and people don't like to go out at night, or it's because they are too busy for getting a job in this time. It have no relevance with your teaching ability. Don't bother that, just keep teaching. Happy Mylotting!