The Bible... Man or God? What is God?

@sataness (321)
December 21, 2008 4:53pm CST
I'm curious. While i don't believe in God, by starting this discussion i was hoping for some input as to why people believe in it; why you personify 'God'; and your thoughts as to where it all comes from. Years before religions were truely established you had the greatest philisophers' of all time creating theories. A great example is Aristotle and his theory of causality and the Prime Mover. Without going into a great deal of depth Aristotle eventually came to the conclusion that there must have been a being outside time, that created time and everything in it using the four causes. He was not religious. He did not equate he Prime Mover with God, and yet years later religious thinkers manipulated this to adapt an idea of 'God' not as a 'being' but as something that can be moved by peoples' prayers. Is it just me ot is that human arrogance? Like the assumption that God would be male. Does that not reflect on the dominated culture of that time and the times' of the testements? What i also find hard to understand is that the teachings of Jesus weren't documented properly until hundreds o years after his death; and in this his childhood is not frequented on.. only adulthood? and what about the majorities assumption that Jesus was caucasion when geographical locationing clearly announces that he wasn't this? Before people ask if i have 'truely read the bible', yeah, i have an understanding that no matter your perspective you can support any of your claims in that bible for the simple fact it's mostly based on opinions of a specifically dominated culture at a specific period of time. So, by simply saying it's 'the word of God' do you put faith in this word? What about the divine command theory? If God had put in the commandments 'it's okay to kill another' would yu feel morally obligated to do so? This is one discussion i've always wanted to pursue and i am hoping for many outlooks from all faiths to find different perspectives of this. Please feel free to comment
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@sammyo (21)
• United States
22 Dec 08
I am not religious, but I can tell you this. One day, I was outside in the dark of the night, with stars out and so beautiful in the sky. I was feeling down about my life. I look up at the stars, and said, if anybady out there. I need help to found my way. Of course, I dont yell it. Didnt want my neightbors to think Im crazy. Someone answers my call or prayer, if you want to call it. Some lady come to my door two days later, and ask me if I would like to study the bible with her. I said yes. Now if that not the work of God, then who was it. I know who it is, GOD!
• United States
23 Dec 08
maybe she was bored and noticed your religious?
@sammyo (21)
• United States
23 Dec 08
I was reading some of your comments. It makes me wondered if you every readed the bible. Cause you can watch all the educational movies you want.
@sataness (321)
26 Dec 08
Why does a person have to read the bible to be able to comment on another's comment when it comes to religion? Maybe it was just coincidence? I used to go out in the garden everyday, lay on the hammoc and for about 4 hours just watched the stars, strange to say but it was also at a time when my life was in shatters. I can honestly say no one came to my door asking if i wanted to be a christian. Partially because they don't sell their religion on doorsteps round here also. There were times when i was younger that i blindly asked God for help or put my faith in him. I've studied some of the bible and it's passages, i study religion as a lesson. Yet i can honestly say that it wasn't until i stopped depending on God and believing him as the almoghty that my life changed. I started believing in people, taking action into my own hands, struggled through most of my childhood, but it was my deeds and the deeds of my family that helped rebuild my life. Why does it have to be the work of God? I also have to add i did the star gazing bit years after i believed in a God. You could say i didn't have a deep enough faith or that god inspired me to do my own work... but i honestly believe that if you use God as an excuse for your own actions, for luck, for anything...then you devalue the worth of what youve done, what people do. It could be coincidence? Ever thought of that?
@fivhi89 (17)
• Malaysia
22 Dec 08
well im definately a believer in God and Jesus Christ...there has to be a God, i mean a 'big bang' or whatever couldnt possible have created such a complex world, nd all the plants and creatures to perfection. it just doesnt make sense.but if u put God in the picture, then it does. nd even if you argue, 'okay, so where did God come from then' wel, he is God, he's so great that he's just always been there... im not trying to preach or anithng,nd i am far from perfect, i've done plenty of stupid thng s in my life..but the great thng about Jesus is that He is so understanding and forgiving.no matter how many skrew up, He's always waiting with open arms for u..Nd even if u read the bible, u'll see that nothng is forced aupon you-your relationship with God is a completely personal thng, and God understands that w all grow at different paces..
• United States
23 Dec 08
if you really think closely. Its all matter or dark matter. Galaxies are getting closer to each other and closer, and create a lot of pressure. and it explodes and gas and other stuff goes flying backwards. As you can tell even today, the same thing is happening, in fact the milky way galaxy and the andromeda are going to collide approximately 2.5 billions years from now. or get married. Its not a complex world. We are all made of atoms, cells. its not that complex. Im not against religon or anything. but heavens not big enough for every single life form out there.
@sataness (321)
26 Dec 08
I think assassin kinda got everything i wanted to reply, but just to add: if you can say that God is great therefore it's ok tho say he's always been there, why can't you say that the atoms, particles, matter etc. are great in the worlsd, as is time? so why can they have not always been there? You can accept God, of which there's no evidence or logical support for the creation of the world, he just stops the idea of infinate regress. (The idea of infinate creations)
@Frederick42 (2020)
• Canada
22 Dec 08
God might or might not exist, but any logical thinker can come to the conclusion that the God of the Bibl is a myth. Regarding Jesus, not much is known about him, except that written by his four disciples. But surprisingly, these disciples were illiterate and how they were able to write is a very big question.
@sataness (321)
22 Dec 08
Ironic how half the prophets and diciples in all areas of religion tend to be illiterate when they write about God.
@zackyo7 (301)
• United States
22 Dec 08
I am a christian. And it is clear that there are forces of this world that are too difficult for us to understand and they are good and evil. Also there must have been a being to create time and everything as you rightly explained. But the bible is indeed the inspired word of God. What about the prophecies, some that are being fulfilled to this very day. That is enough for me to trust in God. And we don't know if he is male. I guess that is one of those questions that can't be answered now.
• Belize
22 Dec 08
I like your discussion, i personally don't believe one word of the bible. It contradicts itself by saying that man was created then woman in one section and then that they both were created at the same time (dont know specific verse but its in there). I see it as man made and that it shouldn't be followed. but as for your points, i couldn't have put it better than u.
• United States
23 Dec 08
Cells, animals,humans, Monkies,Fish,amphibians are also our ancestors from Cavemen Educational movies I watched Man was not created first. There was man and woman. There can't be another person without, you know reproductive action
@algalih (79)
• Indonesia
22 Dec 08
I'm moslem. In my religion The God just one and just God. The One and Still The One. And a man not a god. Not same. Have you moslem friend? Try to ask him/her.
@barehugs (8992)
• Canada
22 Dec 08
I am Spiritual, Not Religious. Here is my understanding of God. "All is Energy, Energy is God, God is Love." Look around you now. Everything you see is Pure Energy. There is Nothing Else! Read, "Conversations With God," by Neale Donald Walsch. ~ an uncommon dialogue ~ Available in 28 languages, at your local Library or Bookstore.