Don't You Just Hate it When the Conspiracy Theorists Are Right?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
February 2, 2009 10:33am CST
For a few years now, Alex Jones, the Libertarian Party and other wings of the Aluminum Foil Hat Society have been telling tales about secret detention camps set up by FEMA, The Department of Homeland Security and the "special guests" from offworld at Area 51. I don't know how much of the theories were true in the past, but the past, or the warning of prophets of disaster don't scare me... Bills introduced in the House of Representatives allocating $180,000,000 to set up such camps does. In fact, it scares me to death. Dubbed the ‘National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’ when it was introduced on January 22, 2009 by Rep. Hastings of Florida, the bill seeks to; "SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS. (a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations. (b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure-- (1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster; (2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders; (3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and (4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.' Folks, this isn't some pie in the sky guest on Coast To Coast Am. This is an actual bill, which means it isn't a conspiracy theory, it's proposed legislation. It is also unwanted, unwelcome, unneeded and Unconstitutional legislation. Your county already have Emergency Management Offices. The people who work in these offices are local people, who know the area. They know what assets are available in the area in case of disaster. They know the buildings that are sufficient to be used as shelters. They know the transportation infrastructure of their area. Most of them already have protocols in place. Protocols listing by name of point of contact every building designated as a shelter. The people who run the equipment designated as necessary have already been contracted. The vendors who will be responsible for food and supplies already know who they are, what their responsibilities will be as well as their compensation. If it is a disaster too big for the county, each state has an Emergency Management Office that does for the state what the local offices do for the county. People, all disasters are local problems. States and the Federal Government can ASSIST the local Disaster workers; they can coordinate state, national and international aid; they can even fund such things.... but what they CAN'T do is do the Emergency Manager's job for them. That is what that idiot Hastings hopes to do with his totalitarian ideas put forth in this bill. This isn't a republican, democrat, libertarian, conservative, moderate or liberal thing. This is something that we can all unite behind. Stop Hastings and any sponsors of this National Emergency Concentration Camp Act of 2009! Call your Representative, go sit at his or her front door, do everything you can to keep this from moving from conspiracy theory, to legislation, to law! http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h645/text
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Parated, have you forgotten what Hurricane Andrew did to the Homestead and Miami-Dade area? I'm not trying to be closed minded about your main point but Andrew left over 250,000 people homeless and the local...and even the state...disaster response offices could not provide the assistance all those people needed. Shelters were destroyed and federal assistance was too slow to arrive. I remember someone...not the governor...asking in a television interview where the help was from the Federal government. People ended up living in tents...that's the extent of immediate relief the Feds could provide after days of waiting. I don't remember how many were killed or injured but it seems to me that the folks down there who didn't/couldn't evacuate needed someplace to go before and after that storm. Someplace that was already stocked with supplies and someplace that could house people in something other than a tent. Andrew did almost an equal amount of damage in Louisiana...and let's not forget about Hurricane Katrina. The major f-up in New Orleans was due to a lack of large scale emergency preparedness which caused all those people to be stuck in a sports arena without basic supplies. Kentucky right now is another example. Because this has been a long term cold weather event more lives are at risk and there's a greater need for assistance for a longer period of time. These are only weather events but they're all large scale emergencies. Maybe I'm blind but I don't view having facilities available that are capable of housing large numbers of citizens in need as concentration camps. If a Cat 4 or 5 storm was heading for you and you can't get out of it's way for whatever reason, which is a better option for you and your family...the local shelter that may or may not have enough supplies for it's aftermath or a larger facility that will?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Feb 09
I was part of Hurricane Andrew recovery operations. Imagine our surprise when we heard incompetent reporters asking local politicians where the federal help was.. When we were standing 100 feet away from them! Hurricane Andrew was before there was a career field called "Emergency Management". Now you can get a Masters Degree in it. Don't get me started about Hurricane Katrina. That idiot Nagin had an Emergency Management Office at his disposal and REFUSED to activate it. He and Gov. Blanco decided that it would be cheaper on their budgets if they just sat around making stupid statments on camera then pass the buck to FEMA. What good would 6 camps have done for people in Homestead Fl? None of the camps are anywhere near there. However, there are tons of great spots for shelters all over Florida, that have already been contracted for that purpose. Emergency Management has come a long way since 1992. The totalitarians and infants who want the government to play mommy and daddy for them don't want local government to do anything about anything. They want Federal Power of everything, including which internment camp they will stick you in against your will. We are a free society, its' about time we acted like it!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Feb 09
Answer me this. What is to stop those who don't belong in the camps from getting into them?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
2 Feb 09
You made me go and look it up because the incompetent press isn't what I was referring to. I was referring to Dade County emergency management director Kate Hale's news conference where she said, "Where in the hell is the cavalry on this one? They keep saying we're going to get supplies. For God's sake, where are they?" It was after that public cry for help that President Bush promised that help is on the way and sent in the 82nd. Airborn with mobile kitchens and tents. I'm glad that you were able to help following that storm and I do realize that Emergency Management is a legitimate career field these days. "What good would 6 camps have done for people in Homestead Fl? None of the camps are anywhere near there. However, there are tons of great spots for shelters all over Florida, that have already been contracted for that purpose." Isn't the AFB under consideration for an Emergency facility? I'm asking these questions because I do want to know, not because I have my head stuck up my butt so please bear with me. The shelters that have been contracted for...will they be stocked and prepared 365 or will they stock and prepare only after the liklihood of an emergency event is present? I have relatively few concerns about Florida's ability to be responsible for it's own emergency planning. What concerns me is funding and the ability of other states to be prepared if this is left only to the state and local governments. "They want Federal Power of everything, including which internment camp they will stick you in against your will." Again, where are you reading that anyone will be stuck anywhere against their will? Even the term "mandatory evacuation" is a misnomer because you can't be forced to leave your own property, even during an emergency. Florida already "forces" folks to stay away from certain areas following a storm...so do other states.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
How you get that these Emergency Centers would be like interment camps is beyond me but maybe I'm just a stupid liberal...lol! I live very close to a nuclear power plant. The evacuation plans in place are sketchy at best and I'd bet 99% of the people who live in my town alone, many of whom are senior citizens, would have any idea where they should go in an emergency or how they would get there. We don't have a lot of large sites in my area that could be used as shelters in the case of any type of emergency. We don't live in a hurricane area but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of disasters that could be possible and nobody would have a clue what to do if a large-scale evacuation were to become necessary. I think this is something the government SHOULD be doing and I'll agree with you on one thing, this should not be a Democratic or Republican, liberal or conservative issue, it's a humanitarian issue and is about doing what's right to protect the people of this country. That includes the old, the sick, the disabled or anyone else who wouldn't have any means to seek shelter if the need arose. Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Feb 09
You make a great point with the failure of Emergency Management to eduacate the public about what they do and how they serve the community. Helping to get the word out about their function would be a great idea for Congress to get involved with. Sorry, but no good can come from 6 huge camps trying to accept a huge amount of people basically overnight. How would you move sick people hundreds of miles from the hospital or nursing home? Remember, most of the people you are talking about would need an ambulance to be moved anywhere. Smaller facitilies, closer to home are much more manageable and safer for the people sheltered. Also, I'll ask you the same question I've asked of others. How would you propose they keep people who don't belong in the camps out?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
2 Feb 09
You make a good point about the lack of information and planning when it comes to an event at a nuclear power plant. My ex has a weekend place in Virginia near the Lake Anna Nuclear Power Station...very near...and no one up there knew exactly what to do if the sirens went off. We periodically received very sketchy information in the mail regarding the warning sirens and what they meant...I think 4 short blasts followed by one long meant to bend over and...well, you know the rest. But, as far as what to do or where to go...nada.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
It certainly would be for the best if nobody, particularly someone who has to be moved from a hospital or nursing home, would have to be moved hundreds of miles. Hopefully there would be designated shelters a bit closer together besides the six throughout the nation. However, we're discussing worst-case scenarios, aren't we? For the sake of argument, I'd also have to say as far as keeping those out who don't belong there, anyone who is misplaced by a disaster would "belong" in the closest shelter they could get to, wouldn't they? Annie
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@nana1944 (1365)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Well, Para, the people from Fema and the military sure helped in the tornado disaster a lot more than our local sheriff's office did as the sherrif was one of the first out of town. The sherrif of Pratt County Kansas came in and declared martial law even tho he wasn't entittled to as that is a state or federal privilege. My nephew by marriage and his parents were told by the county officers that they had to evacute and their house (the parents) was not structrally damaged. Then an FBI agent showed up and got things settled. They did not have to leave. My nephew is a member of the Kiowa County Fire department and was going out searching for people before a lot of others did after he got my niece and their children to his parent's house. I can honestly say that the people from FEMA were really pleasnt to me as I had a lot of things still in my house there and had taken very few things to a place I rented two months before. The living expenses were more there (in Greensburg than I could do and still have anything left to buy groceries with as I am a person drawing widow's benefits and it was cheaper for me to live in a small town south and east of Greensburg even though I was paying rent and was able to keep up the payments (thank God they were small) on my house in Greensburg. The people from the state level were also very good and Red Cross and Salvation Army were a God send to so many. I think since Katrina FEMA has become much better organized. I am not one who sees a consipracy everywhere but I do really look things over very well. I usually do not respond to a discussion where the topic is so heated but I just wanted to tell you of my experience.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
2 Feb 09
I read this on Alain's Newsletter and sent the link to my daughter-in-law on Facebook who thinks that Obama is wonderful. She is not old enough to know much about Hitler. We are Canadians and cannot send faxes to the representatives there, but I hope the Americans do. I do not want to see America turn out to be like Hitler's Germany. Concentration Camps start out all right, but eventually they will be used to silence dissenters. This is horrible. Who knows that in the future they will be used to inter those who do not agree with Obama in his far left policies?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Feb 09
I don't either, and I really don't see this as being Concentration camp level problems, but the only way it won't eventually is if we don't let it.
@vellibiz (297)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Dude, you wasted too much time on this. No one care's.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Feb 09
Dude, you're a waste of human flesh, no one cares!
• United States
2 Feb 09
hi para ted2k, i've read some of it and part of it sounds good and useful. now one line that you posted " 4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the secretary of homeland security" that could mean what ever they want it to and that is scary. i also read part of the bill and they plan to use already existing military sites. i'll have to study it more but thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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