Is your birth day is really your birth day ? Just think....

@krajibg (11942)
Guwahati, India
February 26, 2009 3:40am CST
Almost all people who believe in their zodiac sighs believe in the horoscope and ir it is so they believe in the fate too. So you believe in all this that your fate line is determined by the sighs that are explained after you were born. I have been confused to the exactness of one' birth. The time you think you were born is not the time yu actually were born. You were born long back when the sperm of your father had entered into your mothers egg to fertilize the egg soon it and as soon it started coinciding, your life started with the form of the zygote. Now the question if the astrologers take this thing into account? They do not they only see when the baby had come out of its mother's womb. There s no logic I daresay. Life had begun long back but this action of your coming our of your mother's womb is a formality and this had nothing to do with rhe horoscope calculation. Would be eye to eye with me? lets us ponder over this issue.
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@zandi458 (27954)
• Malaysia
26 Feb 09
Interesting to read your argument here. Yes, I know life begins on the night the lovemaking is done and recorded in the antenatal card of the hospital. Only the doctors and nurses know exactly when the conception starts and our life begins in the womb. For many people they count from the day we are born to the world and the minute you breath in the air outside as the day life begins. I think this is not right. But the man behind the astrology reading of life fate doesn't seem to care about this difference of birth and conception. No wonder it is a waste of time and money consulting them as they are never accurate in their reading as they based their calculation on the birth day of the person.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
Hello Zandi, yes you and me and so many do not care but there ae so many who would spend thousands of dollar to buy a ruby to wear on his finger to get rid of the bad luck he is likely to invite. If you say them that that was not their birth day they would even wont pull out themselves to commit homicide. So committed they are. They would drink the blood of their baby if an astrologer like person asks him to do so. My point was how can be the date you born taken for astrological calculation to fore say your future and nature? You were born at that moment when the sperm and female egg met to form zygote and if any one knows that time and period then I would too some extent believe that what the astrologer has said could be correct or else let him go out and I bang the door on his face and have my sleep. Thanks a lot for your support ...
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@mysdianait (63983)
• Italy
26 Feb 09
Although I can understand where you are going with this thought, I want tobelieve that the birthday is exactly that - the date of birth and not the date when we were conceived. I do not believe in general horoscopes but I do believe that the position of the stars and the planets could influence a person's character. I also believe that until a baby is born it is a pure being in absolute pure surroundings. After birth it then becomes contaminated by everything that happens around it. By other people's thoughts and manners not to mention the environment in itself. This is what makes it into a person in its own right, not astrology.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
Well Diana Jee, you spoke of the practical thing. But here in India people would go to any extent after the say of the astrologers ( Ash to logger? ) Yes the day one comes out of its mother's womb is no doubt the birth day but it should not be basis of all calculation of astrolising.
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@mysdianait (63983)
• Italy
26 Feb 09
Ok I spoke about the pratical thing because I didn't want to get into anything more complicated (well for me at least). How would you arrive at the date a child was conceived? The amount of time that passes before the birth varies every time. Your turn
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
Well you are older than me but you are a good friend indeed. The mother knows and the doctors know when the women had conceived. Forget abot the doc the wome herself can tell as to when the life began in her.
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@Sreekala (16736)
• India
26 Feb 09
The birthday we are celebrating the day when we take birth in the earth not in the womb. When we are in womb our growth is not complete and when our growth completes soon after we are coming out from the womb and our life starts there. I understand what you are discussing. Once I watched a debate in TV about astrology and some are argued that astrology is nonsense and some have the same argument like you. The exact time of our birth, we can't calculate because the exact time is when we take birth in the womb. Some opposed to those people that, our birth time is considering according to the birth in the earth. I am not a stronger believer in astrology but I felt there are some facts also.
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@Sreekala (16736)
• India
27 Feb 09
definitely not. But when you were take birth in womb you were smaller than apple seed. I meant that growth only.
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• India
27 Feb 09
I totally go with Sreekala.. one must have the maturity enough to understand the positive comments, what this user had stated here... Great thought! what a ferociousness!!
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
28 Feb 09
Hi, Can you point ferociousnesses of mine in what I said? Please read the content first and then comment. Without comprehending the subject if you start confrontational stand it would cause harm to you only. Hope you got it. Nay God bless you.
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@silvercoin (2102)
• Lithuania
26 Feb 09
Don't tell anyone, it's a secret. ;) Yes,the real date is not the date written in your documents.But what is more interesting, this date is your key to happiness and life achievements.We have discussed this with one Russian astrologist and he said to me that if only he knew the exact date, he could help a person much more than he does now.He could mathematically calculate your bad/good life periods and there would be no mistakes at all.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
There you are. This concept was initiated to me by a French when I was at Manali. I had not thought about this but now I am serious. Therefore putting the point that if any astrologer has to make comment on the person and if he has taken the birth day as the basis he is a fraud or knows nothing. thanks a lot for your support.
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@ktosea (2027)
• China
26 Feb 09
yes,my birth day is really my birth day.any way I don't believe in astrologers that much.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
What do you mean by that much? Shall I conclude that you believe to a certain degree? Only in this situation I say the day that you celebrate every year spending lot of money y actually not your date of birth. thanks a lot for responding.
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@Rellz007 (37)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Of course i believe my birthday regardless and rep my sign to the fullest so you can think what you want
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
It is up to the believer and I have nothing to say to them who believe that that was their birth day. Thanks for responding.
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• Australia
27 Feb 09
I believe the day I was born is my real birthday. I am definitely a Scorpio. Besides, the child has no control over it's conception, but it does influence the actual time and date of birth, so I believe that it is the birth-day and not the date of conception that signifies the personality traits attributed to each star-sign.
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@jazel_juan (15768)
• Philippines
28 Feb 09
Same here.:D i also believe in that.. but i am a scorpio too lol but it does not make any difference on who am i.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
28 Feb 09
Well, accepted that the child has no control oner its being conceived. But the parents do. If you do not believe in the star sign and any other type of sooth saying it is ok if you take this birth day is your birth day. Or else there could be miscalculation. Say for example a baby was supposed to be born one week later but in consultation with the doctor you got it out prior to its biological process was complete for your convenience. I think this is the violation and the zodiac and star sign to would be null and void provided you believe this to be your birth day. My point was/is simple that life started long before you were born and this would give you a fair chance to get your hate read. Thanks again.
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• Australia
1 Mar 09
I don't believe in altering the time of birth for convenience at all. Only for the health and wellbeing of the mother and child - in which case, I believe it is fate that the time of birth is altered. I really do like your theory though and it has given me something to think about. :-)
• United States
28 Feb 09
astrology only cares about the date/time of birth not conception.. i am studying numberolgy and it was brought up and they said that in numberolgy you arent even considered a human till you take your first breathe..
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
28 Feb 09
Its a news for me. Now please clear my doubt that you have planted. Does not a baby inside its mother's womb breath?
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• United States
28 Feb 09
no they dont.. some one else had asked in a different forum if a baby breathed inside the womb and here are their answers.. i am afraid if i try to explain it i will confuse every one more lol http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070609024620AAqf9hw
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
1 Mar 09
Well I modify a nit. As the baby is surrounded by water the sort of breath we take is not possible but the respiratory action and the heart beat is on. And there is no doubt about t.
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• United States
26 Feb 09
Actually when I was a kid my father told me the same thing. I was born under the sign of Sagitarius and I feel I have a lot of those characteristics. Are you really "born" when the sperm fertilizes the egg? My birth was the result of an induced pregnancy. What about premature births? there are a lot of questions here. maybe it is just easier to go by when you physically entered this world. some pregnancies last longer than others, how could you know when you were conceived? it isn't likely that your parents know either. it is an interesting idea, however.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
Hi! you just put aside the pregnancy period. Just concentrate when the heart started beating inside you, I mean when life process started to go on. Therefore I say when you say your age do not forget to add the extra 9 or 10 month that you were in your mother's womb. That is to be counted, only if you are sure of that period go to the real astrologer and ask about your fate or else forget and save your money either for you or for some needy one.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
Its up to one and none can force to take up one philosophy. Now if you do not believe as what I have said I can not do any thing about it.
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@dpk262006 (50966)
• Delhi, India
28 Feb 09
Dear, it is a matter of perceptions and I feel that when we come into this world that date and time should be regarded as our real birth. Before, that we remain just incomplete in our shape and size and when an infant's body becomes complete he/she comes into this world.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
28 Feb 09
Ok I agree with you. But when we speak of 'life' had not it started long before I was born? This is a live being inside its mother womb. So it was born already and the formality to come out was left. Hope I said correctly.
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@dpk262006 (50966)
• Delhi, India
1 Mar 09
If you perceive that the life started, when the egg was fertilized inside the womb, it would not be easy to determine the time and date, when did it actually fertilized. Therefore, perhaps, for uniformity sake life is taken into account when an infant comes out of mother's womb.
@AidanKay (265)
• Australia
27 Feb 09
I have no idea about what I think about this. But I do know that it is actually my 'born' day today =). -Aidan.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
28 Feb 09
Even I had no idea as such. But now have though about it.
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• Indonesia
27 Feb 09
wow u're right. So... no one in this world who knows the exactly day he was born.. hehe but.. I never believe in zodiac.. that's not true and can't be trusted
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
Yes, I appreciate those who do not believe in the zodiac and live life as it is. Thanks a lot for responding.
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• Philippines
27 Feb 09
Chinese horoscope or zodiac signs can be unpredictable krajibg. They are just predictions in your life that either would happen or not. Now it's up to you if you believe it or not but most cases like their predictions would really happen at all.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
I do not believe in the India astrologer or the way the zodiac is descried, Its better not to get bothered. Have a nice Day.
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• United States
26 Feb 09
I agree with you and I'm with you all the way dude but please find something else to do with your time.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
Well, I just could not make out what else should I do with my time? I am a college teacher and now exams are on and I have declined to do the the duty of invigilator and I am free and giving time here.
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@excellence7 (3383)
• Mauritius
26 Feb 09
I think you are right. I am going to calculate my actual day of birth now It's a good thing to be conscious over these issues.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
Thats you! Its really an issue man. Why should people run after those fake astrologer I don understand.
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@dragon54u (30582)
• United States
26 Feb 09
The Chinese, I've read, count a child as a year old when they reach 3 months out of the womb. This makes sense to me. I looked up horoscopes and I'm an Aries but it doesn't really describe me. If my birthday was counted at the moment of conception I would be a Cancer--those attributes are much more like the person that I am! I personally believe that life begins at conception and an unborn is a person. I am curious to check out my children's horoscopes, too, because they are both Virgo but very unlike the description of that type of person! Thanks for a very interesting topic!
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
Hi! you said the right thing it seems. Te Chinese are wise to calculate indeed. Yes if the baby is in its mother's womb for 9 years and itf it is three months it is born surely it would be 12 months old. Very nice info you provided as I was defending my point. thanks friend for all.
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• India
26 Feb 09
To my knowledge that i heard from my astrologer, anybody's birthday is considered when comes out to the real world. They take the time, date of the baby and let us know what is her/his jathakam.. I believe in this, i dont know more about this. Once i got known about your query, then i willl reply you again.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
26 Feb 09
Ok tel me now. When you were not yet born and were still in your mother's womb were not you breathing and taking food as well? Please do not say 'I do not know'. You were. Then why can not take your coming our of your mother's womb is just change of place? Had you no life inside how would you be breathing soon after you were born? your birth had been initiated long before and therefore there is no use of celebrating your birth day not listening to what the astrologers have to say.
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@jazel_juan (15768)
• Philippines
27 Feb 09
hmmm..its quite logically for me to say, BIRTHDAY is really the day your mom gave BIRTH to you..that is why it is called birth day, the day you got out from her womb and saw the world lol... and when you are saying about fertilization, its not birth that is happening there but conceiving, fertilization so its different.. but i also do not believe in horoscope thingie..its all hocus focus stuff for me..but there is nothing wrong in reading about it.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
You disagree! Then please tell me when the hear started beating and the life process began? Ifbyou can prove that I will stoop to your feet.
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@jazel_juan (15768)
• Philippines
27 Feb 09
LOL..this is from my point of view ok? for me it is logical in a way that BIRTH or BORN for me means being BROUGHT FORTH, meaning, the time when you are coming out, seeing this crazy world, that is my BIRTH (being brought forth out of one's womb) while what you were referring as when the sperm combined with the egg, fertilization that is, is for me, the FERTILIZATION stage that is, that is the CONCEIVING PART, when tthe zygote becomes a fetus, yes i agree that there is life there at that stage, the moment the egg and sperm united and met and a zygote was formed, but that is not BIRTH because there is no COMING OUT or BIRTHING OUT or nothing is BROUGHT FORTH OUTSIDE. Got what i mean?
@jazel_juan (15768)
• Philippines
2 Mar 09
yes i know that belief of the chinese i do have chinese friends who follow such. What i was explaining was how I THINK OF IT LOGICALLY, you see for me BIRTH is the coming out that is why i believe that is my BIRTHDATE, the date that i came out, got it? but the point in time when the zygote was formed that was the CONCEIVING PART of me. Got it too?
@bamrahkirti (1819)
• India
27 Feb 09
Well i have heard somewhere that Chinese if i am not wrong calculate the birth date from the moment the woman gets pregnant i.e.they always add nine months to the age of child.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
I think the Chinese are correct than our so called astrologers. What is your opinion?
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• India
27 Feb 09
So they have a very rational approach to this issue.
• United States
27 Feb 09
Well... I think your birthday is your birthday because it's the day you were born. Day you were born = birthday. It's rather obvious. If you're going to argue -9 months in the womb, then that wouldn't really be your birthday would it? It'd be more of a "conception' date. I don't really believe in the horoscopes and all that jazz, so honestly, as long as I have a special day for ME every year, I don't really care how exact or accurate it is.
• India
27 Feb 09
well said.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
27 Feb 09
Just think, how old you are. If you are 30 then add another 9 or ten months to it and then only your real age would come out. Do you find any difference between a day old baby and a baby inside its mother's womb who is all kicking and roaming? You can argue but you should adhere to the point or else you will be ousted as irrelevant. Thanks for responding.
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