Proselyting Atheism

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
March 15, 2009 11:02pm CST
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This means a few things about me. It means that I have accepted Christ as my savior and that His is the only name under heaven by which man can be saved. It also means that I believe it is important to share my beliefs with others. In other words, I am a member of a proselyting church. Christ taught His followers to teach others what we have learned. As Mormons we are always looking for opportunities to teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We do this daily, but for 2 years of our lives, we do it on what we call our "missions". We aren't the only ones who go out on "missions". Christian people of all denominations go out into the world to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and render service to others. Of course, Christians aren't the only one who proselyte. Many religions, with all sorts of beliefs encourage their people to spread the word. It's not just organized religions, many have found deep happiness in life with spirituality and hope to help others find the same joy. Just as those of us with spiritual beliefs feel the need to spread the good news, those who believe there is nothing beyond the physical have their proselyters also. Have you ever had a teacher, professor, school mate, co-worker, friend or acquantance go above and beyond to convince you that there can't be a God, nor spirits, or anything else unquantified by science? I have to hand it to some of you. You preach your gospel with the zeal of all converts. You are willing to push your lack of faith on others as heavily as the most ardent of the faithful. Like the pious of the past, you call for laws supporting your beliefs. You petition legislators and heads of state to allow you to proclaim your gospel, while silencing the rest. You cry "separation of church and state" from the rooftops, while demanding no such wall between the masses and the truth as you see it. Professors of all disciplines, you are willing to use your lecture time to "save" the unwashed from the damnation of our ignorance. Many of you would gladly give a student a failing grade, not because they failed the subject named on the class schedule, but because they failed to become enlightened to the darkness of spiritual thought. All the while, screaming "discrimination!" if one of your collegues would even think to use their beliefs as a standard against students of their own. You complaint about the rude, overbearing, insensitive and downright unchristian methods used by some missionaries. You also seem to turn a blind eye (or outright encourage) to people on your own side of the aisle who are just as bad. Any mention of religious or spiritual sponsored activities seems to be "cramming" religion down your throat. However, if anyone dares speak up when you go on your tirades, they are "stifling" your right to speak. I don't blame any of you really. It is part of human nature to want to share what makes us happy. I haven't met a person yet whose eyes don't light up when asked about their passions. I do, however, blame you for the same hypocrisy you seem to think is only found among those with faith.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
16 Mar 09
Whenever someone enters anothers space no matter how, without that person's permission, it is wrong. It dose not matter if one is talking about politics, religion, or the color of the sky, trying to force one's opinion on another is wrong. We all have our own opinions on life and we are entitled to them. If everyone is in agreement to have a discussion on a subject, then that is different. But proslytizing is not a discussion. It is a forcefull one sided opinion, not a give and take situation. The best way to win converts to your religion is to live it. If you are truely good G'dly people, they will come! Otherwise you are just adding converts to fill your coffers. Shalom~Adoniah
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Mar 09
True, but there are people in society who are expected to lecture to others. The level of discourse is entirely up to the lecturer, as is the subject at hand. In those cases, they are tasked to "enter another's space". This, of course, is by permission, but how much license is the lecturer afforded once the permission is granted?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Mar 09
Not if their grade depends on what it covered.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
16 Mar 09
If someone is attending a lecture, they always have the option of walking out. Shalom
@iakulchen (615)
• Singapore
16 Mar 09
Erm, why is this discussion in politics? I think some of the fault might lie in your atitude towards atheists. You refer to atheists as "willing to push yur lack of faith" and end it with "blame you for the same hypocrisy you seem to think is only found among those with faith". An atheist believes. They believe in something, although their beliefs might be different from yours. To refer to one as "without faith" is akin to questioning their faith. If I questioned your faith, I'm sure you would have reacted quite strongly. Similarly, since your attitude really is one of discrimination against atheists, I'm not surprised atheists you come across have given you a hard time.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Mar 09
Yes, it ended up in politics because I started writing a different article that evolved into this finished product. When I finished, I just his "submit" by force of habit. Actually, what I did was take accusations thrown at us Believers and pointed out where the same thing is done by Proselyting Atheists as well. The professor who would misuse the classroom to denounce the spiritual beliefs of the students is just as wrong as one who would call the class "Physics 101" but spend classtime preaching his religious beliefs. It's not an attitude against Atheism anymore than an attitude for the actions of Believers. It's about pointing out how both extremes have a lot in common.
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• Singapore
16 Mar 09
Katran, I specifically pointed out the parts of his opening post where he refers to atheists as "without faith" and having a "lack of faith". He mentions it again in his reply to Lipypad123. That is a pretty strong accusation for any religion. It's not one I would just expect to throw at any religion and expect to walk away from without getting into a verbal argument of some sort. My point was that if I walked around believing that (insert religion of your choice) was without faith, I would have been expecting to see cases like what he mentioned. It shouldn't be any different for atheism.
@katran (585)
• United States
16 Mar 09
Umm, I do not believe that he is claiming that atheists are without beliefs. In fact, that is part of his point. Atheists have their own beliefs just like Christians and other religions, so why are atheists given special treatment while religions are not? Why are atheists allowed to speak out while the free speech of religious people is stifled? We are all the same, and not many people can claim to have no beliefs whatsoever, so we should all be treated the same.
• United States
17 Mar 09
Good question. You know the thing I fear the most is that being a christian will be outlawed in the name of peace. I have been is conversations just like this one that grew heated very quickly, anymore I just sit back and wait. It is going to be a day when every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord! Maybe I am wrong to give up but I have been so tired of it all lately. (Sorry for the rambling)
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Mar 09
Nothing about Christ's teachings charge us to "just sit back and wait".
• Singapore
16 Mar 09
And what exactly are you trying to say? I do not really understand. Are you trying to say that Christianity is the one true religion?. Either way i do not think people who believe in religion or not have the right to tell others to follow in them. It is a choice of freedom. And do not say you spread the word only. I was harassed by Christians before to attend their church events and i wonder why?. It does not matter if there is religion or not. The point is humanity is killing itself over the ages and not seeking the solutions. If there was an end time, why are not people trying to make lives better on earth before it happens?. I am agnostic, i am open to suggestions and opinions, but never certain-ity. I hope you do get offended.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Mar 09
No offense here at all. Thanks for commenting. No, this discussion isn't about Christianity at all. It's about how Atheists are just as willing to be obnoxious about teaching others about their lack of faith as we believers are about teaching ours. You're right, no one has the right to tell others to follow them (at least without permission), but we all have the right to talk about what makes us happy.
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• Singapore
16 Mar 09
Well to be honest, people of faith can be as obnoxious as those atheist as well. That is fact cause we are all humans. Fact of the point is as humans i feel we have to cooperate and believe in moving forward rather than convincing people to be a part of a religion. It feels like selling religion and i do not think religion is a product or is it?. People do make religion look bad, the minority in such religions do go all out spreading it. Even atheist do it too, i have seen. It is because of such people the world is facing problems like terrorism. So many hybrid religions are also popping up. Like scientology is good example of a religion based on a book written buy a sci-fi writer. And yes it is a religion that believes that aliens come from space and did some things to us. I am not trying to debunk you or any religion. Being religious and atheist can be a good thing and a guide to making your life better but it should not be used as a tool to recruit or make people spend money on. We all have to look beyond and look forward to building up humanity in the right path where religions are only apart of life but not life itself..bless you
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Mar 09
Yes, it does go both ways.
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@katran (585)
• United States
16 Mar 09
Thank GOD that someone has finally put my thoughts into words. You certainly have a way of doing that. :) I always thought it was completely unfair and hypocritical how so many non-religious people have spent so many hours trying to get me to see my ignorance and naivete, and yet they still give the complaint that Christians (I say particularly Christians because it has become the norm to bash on Christians) are far too pushy, overbearing, or whatever else. Why is it that they can try to shut me up, but I have to listen to their garbage day in and day out? Why can they make fun of my, laugh at me, call me ignorant and ridiculous, but I get called intolerant and arrogant when I speak MY mind? Can you imagine what would happen if someone tried to make the Christian equivalent to Bill Maher's Religulous? It probably would be pulled by censors before it even hit theaters! Don't get me wrong. I LOVE getting in religious discussions (I am a proudly argumentative person and I love to debate) and I don't want atheists to stop talking to me about their views and beliefs altogether. I just want them to acknowledge that I have the same rights that they do. Atheism is a belief system just like religions, and we should ALL be treated the same way.
@zhontine (127)
• China
17 Mar 09
so long so hard to get your meaning But what can GOD do for us?
• India
16 Mar 09
You are so right. Many people think they proselytising is wrong, and they proselytize hard to communicate across their viewpoint. I think we all are involving in some way with this whole issue proselytise. There is no on who don't try to convert othes. Difference is how one does that. I think atheist like Richard Dawkins spends so much time trying to win people to his camp. Christians do that, Muslims do that, Hindus do that. Everybody does that. That's my observation.