Health Care Reform Should Get 75-80 Votes in the Senate?

@anniepa (27238)
United States
August 21, 2009 2:36am CST
Do you agree or disagree with Senators Hatch and Grassley who have said for a health care reform bill to be "bipartisan" it should garner at least 75-80 votes in the Senate? http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019575.php How many more times are they going to move the goal post or raise the basketball hoops, to use some sports analogies here? I mean, by law according to the Constitution they only need 51 votes. To be filibuster-proof, 60 is needed. The Democrats can get the 51 with their eyes closed and 60 may be doable with help from one or two Republicans. But 75-80 when probably 35-38 of the 40 GOP Senators wouldn't dream of voting for ANY health care reform? What do you think, are these guys being totally unreasonable to the point of being ridiculous or what? Why didn't they feel that way when THEY had the majority...lol? Annie
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
21 Aug 09
I think he forgot to have his coffee that day. I'm so sick of hearing, "the Constitution says" and I have come to figure out that those words really only mean, "the Constitution says it and I support it so it's all good". You know this is what I think about the 80 votes- that would be nice because than it would show Congress is working together and giving up that whole party lines thing but, you know what, the Republicans wouldn't do it. If there was a bill they wanted to pass and they had the majority they wouldn't give consessions we seen it when they had control of Congress.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
21 Aug 09
Concessions* - sorry first on my first cup of coffee LOL
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
22 Aug 09
That's perfect but, you can't have the best response because it's your discussion LOL
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@iriscot (1290)
• United States
22 Aug 09
I don't know what Hatch and Grassley think they are trying to do with such statements. Everyone knows that few if any Republicans will say "YAH" and they will vote the party line. The Democrats only need 51 votes to pass the bill and 60 to keep the nay sayers from filibustering. Why don't the republicans openly admit that their main goal is to defeat the bill in order to tarnish the President and the Administration, that is the only goal they have and will have for the next 3 years. I guess they don't have the guts to admit it or say so to the press. Nothing but smoke and mirrors from them!
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@iriscot (1290)
• United States
22 Aug 09
If the majority of the people of the USA are rejecting the health plan it is because the republicans have spread false information, untruths and lies about what's in the bill. Those that are the loud protesters have been recruited and planted there by the leaders of the republican parter, just as they recruited republican office workers the raise havok and stop the count of the votes in Florida, and no one can denigh that.
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
22 Aug 09
You're right, iriscot, they don't have the guts to tell the people the truth. Rose, you said, "In my opinion this has little to nothing to do with the GOP it is the vast majority of the American people that has rejected this government take over of heath care." You contradicted yourself in that statement; how could it have "little to do with the GOP" when they're the ones spreading the lies that this would be a "government take over of health care" which some, not a vast majority, of the American people have fallen for? "...appears me to the democrats are angry because they are not sucking the republican in to bill that the American people has completely rejected." WHAT exactly has the "American people completely rejected"? There have been poll that show once the people know the truth instead of the myths and out and out lies that are being spread they're much more agreeable. "If the bill is so good the same bill lawmakers has opt out of just pass the bill and take the giant fall out." I'm not sure what you mean here, Rose! There is nothing for them to opt out of at this time. What do you guys on the right want? You supposedly don't want private insurers to lose their business yet you want all of Congress to drop their private insurance? Also, do you think there will be no fall-out if nothing is done about health care? Annie
• United States
21 Aug 09
Ok here is why it needs to be bipartisan from both perspectives: From the republicans. - Starting with the premise that there is so much junk in this bill the american people don't want, and the fact that the Dems have enough votes to pass it whatever it is. The more they can water it down the better it is for the american people. Basically in order to be bipartisan they need to take out most of the functionality of the bill and either pass a limp chicken or do nothing at all. Thus the call for bipartisanship, it is an attemp to kill or lessen the effects of a bad bill. From the Democrats= Democrats who are intelectually honest will know that what they are propsing has failed every other time it has been tried. Most of them I would hope will think that this will be the time it suceeds, but recognize the chance for failure is high. So if they pass it without the support of the Republicans and it failed miserably, it will be on them. So if they can get bipartisan support for it, it will look bad for everyone, not just them.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
21 Aug 09
I think we can all agree that a bill that gets bipartisan support is always the goal, that's not the question here. My question was do you agree that in order to be considered bipartisan the health care bill must get between 75 and 80 votes (out of 100) in the Senate. I think some Democrats are afraid to pass any bill, even though they could, without some Republican support because if it's anything but an instant resounding success they're going to get "blamed" for failing. The Republicans, on the other hand, I believe are torn between hoping the Democrats do pass something on their own so they (the GOP) can tear it apart and call it a failure or hoping nothing gets done - AGAIN - so the Democrats get blamed - AGAIN! - for that. In other words, there are some from both parties who are putting politics ahead of the people who are being added to the list of the uninsured every single day, are dying because they have no insurance, are losing their homes or going bankrupt due to medical bill they cant pay or even those who are afraid they'll lost their own coverage. Annie
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
22 Aug 09
You're right, Rose, the Democrats have a big enough majority they SHOULD just go ahead and pass it. I'm not very happy with them at the moment either because they're not showing any spine at all! The Republicans had no problem ramming their agenda through when they had the power. I suppose the difference is the Democrats don't all march in lockstep and and memorize the same talking points to recite over and over again. They don't decide as a group to vote against anything that's proposed. The GOP has their lines perfectly memorized and they've got enough of the people scared to put the whole idea of reform in jeopardy. Annie
@iriscot (1290)
• United States
22 Aug 09
We the People... - Constitution embedded in our flag
We The People of the United States……….·This does NOT exclude the rich and wealthy ·This does NOT exclude the working class ·This does NOT exclude the poor and destitute ·This INCLUDES ALL of the People! We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, Insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. “promote the general Welfare”… Does this mean for all of the people? Not just the rich and wealthy, but for the working class and those without jobs who are unable to work due to health problems, or those who are no longer working because of plant shutdowns. The Constitution begins with “WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. I don’t believe this applies to the ILLEGAL Aliens, but should include all LEGAL Aliens. After all weren’t our ancestors including those who wrote the Constitution LEGAL Aliens?How would this apply to Universal Health care for all of our Citizens? I believe it is covered by “Insure domestic Tranquility” and “promote the general Welfare”, the Constitution states that in the very beginning.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
27 Aug 09
Great post! You're so right, I interpret "promote the general Welfare" as including health care. I fully realize some of those on the right don't believe health care is a right but I DO. Annie
@stephcjh (32327)
• United States
22 Aug 09
I have no idea anymore when it comes to this heathcare issue. I wish they would do something that will be valid for all people of the United States and quit wasting alot of precious time. alot of people do not have it and they are losing everything they own when the issue arises in a healthcare situation that causes them alot of debt. Enough playing around already!
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
22 Aug 09
"Enough playing around already!" That pretty much says it all! It's just a game for the Republicans and too many Democrats have decided to play along. We shouldn't be surprised that they'd be playing their usual fear card again. After all, it's just been confirmed again that they used the terror threats for political gain during the 2004 election, as if we didn't already know that. Annie
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
21 Aug 09
A better question is, why are they maintaining the illusion of bipartisanship when any common-sense person can tell that no one in congress cares one iota about bipartisanship? You know what would truly be bipartisan? If half of the democrats and half of the republicans voted 'yea' and 'nay'. That won't happen, though.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
27 Aug 09
You're right, Latrivia. "Bipartisanship" is a word that is usually tossed around by the party OUT of power as they complain there is none and by the party IN power as they as they promise it. Annie