Why is it the closer you are to the constitution the more "right wing" you are?

@Taskr36 (13925)
United States
December 10, 2009 1:55pm CST
I've just noticed that whenever people in this country start talking about how we should stick to the constitution they are treated as right wing extremists, or in some cases, labeled as possible domestic terrorists. I always thought the right left bit was which side of the constitution you were on, but now it's like if you are for it, you're on the right, if you're against the constitution, you're on the left. Does anyone else feel this way? I'm not talking about republicans and democrats here, since leaders of both parties have pissed on the constitution, just what people view as right and left. Is there anyone on the left here that considers themselves to be constitutionalists?
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@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Dec 09
I consider myself to be constructionist, quite so, yes. The constitution is neither right wing or left wing actually, so i don't know why people tend to assign such argments to the "right wing". The constitution is what it is and says what it says, it isn't rocket science, i don't know why folks make such a complex issue of it, other than they wish to see it gone around and ignored. You know me though, I don't see things in right and left, i got away from that illusionary paradigm a few years ago and THANK GOD i finaly woke up.
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
10 Dec 09
Yes, I know you to be the most constitutional person here, and you've been accused of being a Bush supporter and a right wing extremist for it. The Bush part is just laughable because the label is given to most who oppose Obama's policies. It's the right wing extremist part that I'm trying to get a handle on as that same label is given to anyone who supports the 2nd Amendment, or protests an authoritarian government.
@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Dec 09
It's a generic cliche conversation stopper. It is meant to take away from the legitmate arguments. It's a bit like the acusation of racism, it isn't meant to make a point or further a cause, it's just meant to silence and catagorize. If you put people in catagories, some people believe it is easier to deal with rather than the genuine nuances of an argument.
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• United States
11 Dec 09
I agree. The constitution of this country should not be a "republican" thing, a "democratic" thing or even a "extremist" thing. IT SHOULD BE AN AMERICAN THING. For all of us no matter what party we do or don't belong to.. to believe in and protect. It is pretty scarey that is not that way.
@poingly (606)
• United States
10 Dec 09
Eh, your assessment is wrong. A better way to think about it (though a little oversimplified) is that a conservative thinks about the Constitution as it was originally intended and liberals thinks about the Constitution as it applies to us today. No one is against the Constitution.
@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Dec 09
the constitution is what stands in the way of the government, they would love nothing better than to see it disapear altogether, giving them full reign that the constitution now denies them. Do not fool yourself for one minute in to thinking that government is, by nature, a benevolent entity with nothing but your best interests at heart.
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• United States
10 Dec 09
The Constitution is the thing they're trying to get rid of so America can turn into a dictatorship. There's definitely no such thing as a benevolent government,unless government ceases to exist entirely. The only reason governments GIVE things to people (they do not give - they take from the some people to hand to others for votes) is to make the people more reliant on them for future needs. I love how they always say the GOVERNMENT will provide, when they mean your taxes go up, up, up to give more to those who pay little or no taxes. Or how they give tax refunds to those who never paid taxes. How can you refund what was never given??? In return, all the GOVERNMENT asks is that the needy vote for them and keep them rolling in dough. After all, isn't a block of cheese worth voting the guy back into office so he can flaunt all the rules you are supposed to follow? By the way, where are all the people who are dying from lack of health care? I can't seem to find them. But, I do find our emergency rooms loaded. I took my daughter to a free clinic once and found she was the only patient. If free isn't enough to draw the people in, what is???? When we got back on our feet, we bought our own insurance and guess what? We worked extra hard for the money and still felt like we were getting a bargain!
@poingly (606)
• United States
10 Dec 09
The government is of, by, and for the people. I think people are good at heart. The government is made up of people. I am truly sorry that you don't have faith or hope in your fellow man. I'm am not so negative.
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
11 Dec 09
The ACLU is NOT right wing, but it, as an organization, is very close to the constitution, wouldn't you say? I've been called an Imperialist, a liberal, a kool aid drinker, a confused democrat, a murderer, and several other nifty label-type names. None of it sticks.I Just let it roll off my back. And so should you. Labeling (especially in mylot) or stereo typing is wrong, yet to some extent we all seem to do it, even if unintended, when we post in politics. Maybe it is the nature of the political beast... I digress...I haven't figured out exactly what label covers my personal convictions. Every US citizen can get a free copy of the pocket constitution at their local library, some at there local polling stations. That said, the conundrum is interpretation. Most lay people wont understand the legalese that the document is written in, but it HAS to be written that way to maintain it's defining points. Not fully understanding the legalese leads to misinterpretation, or bamboozling, depending on the situation & interpreter.
• Elkin, North Carolina
11 Dec 09
Actually, the ACLU has perverted the Constitution to the point that they have their own messed up interpretation. I believe that the organization started out as a well meaning entity to protect the civil liberties of the people of this great country, but they took their position and increased it to the point that they think they are the national police to enforce civil liberties violations. They are a product of the political correctness movement in this country and I would go as far as to say both of those things have made a lot of the people in this country a bunch of wimps who can't handle it when someone steps on their toes and has us all walking on eggshells afraid to tell the truth because it might offend someone.
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
11 Dec 09
The ACLU is extremely selective in when they do and don't agree with the constitution. Most notable is their attempt to violate the first amendment rights of religious people, specifically Christians, on a regular basis. They promote free speech when it supports their agenda and attempt to stifle it when it opposes their agenda. They also routinely defend gay pedophiles from NAMBLA. That has nothing to do with the constitution.
@djbtol (5498)
• United States
12 Dec 09
The ACLU is totally a tool of the liberal element of our society. When they do happen to defend the right thing, they do it in a politically extreme way. djbtol
• Elkin, North Carolina
10 Dec 09
I agree with you totally on this point! I get so sick of hearing the right wing left wing stuff in the news all the time. And you're right when you say that the ones who support the Constitution are the ones made out to be the poor, ignorant, uninformed extremists who have no clue what they're talking about. I think the problem with politics today is that there is so much fingerpointing and trying to label everyone that the real issues are forgotten somewhere on the back burner. A lot of the times these politicians use these labels to distract from their own incompetence or willingness to bend the rules of the Constitution for their own benefit. And like you said, that goes for both Republicans and Democrats.
@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Dec 09
It's the old "good cop bad cop" routine, thats what it ammounts to.
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@poingly (606)
• United States
11 Dec 09
Okay, actually being born in New Hampshire (and lived there mostly growing up) I can safely say that whole state is a little bit nutty!
@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Dec 09
poingly, well then, you know where the Mass border is....stay south of it. Task, yeh, your talking about Will, good guy...he seriously owned Mathew's statist asss in that interview.
@djbtol (5498)
• United States
12 Dec 09
The answer as to how people view the constitution is somewhat the same as how people view religious truth. Let me explain. Ever since secular humanism was put in place, the idea of fixed truth is strange to more and more people. Rather people are taught that truth is relative and that your truth and my truth might be different. This can be seen in how people view the Bible. In the past many more were willing to see it as God's word, which it is. Now people are more likely to see it as an old book that probably doesn't apply today. In addition their is a chronological arrogance that sets in; meaning that we living now are so much more intelligent and enlightened compared to those who have lived before us. There is a fraction of our country that views the constitution in the same way. They see it as an old document, written in a different time for a different culture. They are quite ready to accept modifications to it to bring it up to date. What they cannot see is that the constitution is composed of principles that should not change, as long as people are people. What is interesting is that the founding fathers (who lived without electricity) understood these principles and how crucial they are. If you throw away the Bible, or adopt the idea that you can change the parts you don't like, then you are stepping on a sheet of ice where there are no fixed boundaries. The same is true if you think the constitution and the words of the founding fathers can be thrown away. The most obvious evidence of how far this slide has gone is that the current president and first lady are only apologetic for America and what it is. There is no sense of pride or respect. There was a time in our country when they would not have had a chance of getting into the Whitehouse, and mabye not today except for the powerful deception of the media. djbtol
@epicure35 (2822)
• United States
12 Dec 09
djbtol, Your comments are very insightful and instructive. Thank you! I much appreciate your shedding truth and light in the midst of all the deception and darkness that now prevails.
@djbtol (5498)
• United States
15 Dec 09
epicure35 - Thanks for your kind words. Hopefully sometimes I get it right and I can listen and learn the other times. djbtol
• United States
10 Dec 09
I consider myself to be a constitutionalist in the sense that I respect and thing we should adhere to the constitution. I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with right versus. left. Bush considered himself "right wing", but the patriot act was like the most un-constitutional thing ever done lol. Cheers!
• United States
11 Dec 09
It would seem that way. I mean come on it is only the founding document of this country and in my opinion the most important document we have. BUt it seems if you believe in the constitution they you are not even a conservative. YOu are an EXTRMIST. So does that mean that republicans AND democrats don't believe in the constitution anymore? If so that should tell ALL of something. IS it just the two parties that don't believe in it anymore....or the general population in those parties as well? If it is the general public than we should all be scared....very scared. Becuase that means we could loose a lot of our freedoms and rights...with the general populations consent.
@laglen (19782)
• United States
11 Dec 09
I agree with your observation. The Constitution is being treated like an irrelevant piece of paper. It means much more to me. It is what guarantees our rights and ensures that WE choose our government and what happens to us. I wish more people would read it and understand it. I think schools should spend much more time teaching the facts of it.
@Pria19 (10)
• India
11 Dec 09
I've always thaught that constitution is a domestic terrorist. I've always asked my friends about it, they've also said that how people should stick to constitution, to change the constitution. well, i dont really consider myself to be a constitutionist nor, do i feel that there will be people who'd like to be a constitutionist.