Population control 2 - new suggestion ha ha

@vandana7 (51361)
India
December 12, 2009 1:35am CST
How about linking affordability with license to have children? I know this is what Hatley suggested in the previous discussion. But this is possible. No one religion is forced to change their norms, and everybody would then concentrate on their works rather than useless politics or other silly stuff because it would be a question of their rights. I am prepared to take brickbats, rotten tomatoes, rotten eggs (that smells terrible), and whatever you think appropriate for this suggestion. Be my guest. :)
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@Lucky09 (1771)
• Philippines
12 Dec 09
hi vandana^^;; i heard this happens or being implemented or similar to China. they call it "one child" policy wherein one household should only have 1 child and if parents wanted more they have to pay tax for the second and so on child in order to officially register them. in provinces though, they just keep the other children a secret so there are many unregistered children and the census population may not be as accurate due to this. on the contrary(irony), South Korea is paying for the 3rd child and so on as an encouragement for each family to have more children as their population is rapidly going down because most couples just want 1 or 2 children, the worst--none.
@Baluyadav (3644)
• India
12 Dec 09
hi,Lucky,thank you good info,bye.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Hi lucky09, well, this time it is not a policy. I am asking people to prove that they can afford a child. That is all. If that can be a criteria for people who want to adopt, why not for people who want to bring in one of their own!
@Lucky09 (1771)
• Philippines
13 Dec 09
well it's like i thought a policy to follow since you mentioned about the license.. like we need to apply and show our financial assets and prove our sanity as well to have the number of children we wanted. you know, i think it's not only finances that matters but the responsibility of taking care and raising the children with the right manners. so if we don't have the license then we cannot do so...and you are right like of those having the adoption. going back to the population, it might be a good idea for countries that are over-populated like mine..and where in the population is dominated by the average to the poor. if not, they might consider also limiting migration which makes one city to be overpopulated. for example, now in my city i think is getting crowded every year, but my mother's hometown population have been decreasing over the past years.
• United States
12 Dec 09
I think we should limit the amount of children a person has, to the amount of money they make, and to how responsible they are. having children when you can't afford it, affects everyone. people that have an uncontrollable urge to reproduce without taking money into consideration are whats destroying our nation. poor kid grows up, has child, child grows up poor too. poor child has no opportunity, gets a low paying job, has children and the process repeats. then they go through tough times they need jobs, so there are less jobs out there crime rates rise, and our entire nation suffers for it. there are too many ignorant people out there. if we don't implement laws now, our country will surely fall.
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@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Yes, nobodyisperfect. My concerns are similar. It also concerns me because when poverty get out of hand, people sell their male progenies to terrorists! Am I prepared for that! Is the world prepared for that! We need to re-examine the issue and develop a way that nobody can refute, or find anything against either in law books, or in religious scriptures. Thanks for support here. :) I have three supporting me in 10. :) I could most certainly do with more. :)
@maximax8 (27055)
12 Dec 09
I know that many ladies have surprise pregnancies. I don't agree with abortion. I think that most ladies can become a loving and caring parents. I am a primary school school teacher. Indeed a small minority of parents don't care very well for their children. Most make good parents and some make excellent parents. Being a good or excellent parent had noting to do with money. Perhaps a couple with two children that have a modest budget give their kids better lives that a rich couple that work full time that have three children. The children in that family have lots of toys, a child minder but little attention from their parents.
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@vandana7 (51361)
• India
12 Dec 09
One case of pill failure in 10 is perfectly acceptable statistics if it can prevent 5 other unwanted pregnancies!
• India
28 Jan 10
population control or pollution control..! cause here India we have already laws regarding CONTROL of production of children.Only one things one can do , this limits must be attached to religious things , as if you have a single child then god gives blessings, money, health etc etc,but these things must be done by spiritual leaders..then see the result
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
29 Jan 10
Hi codeofuniverse, did you notice the religious rules do not apply to the rich! Therefore, a Shahrukh Khan, or Aamir Khan, or Saif Ali Khan can afford to limit themselves to 2 or 3 children, but the same does not hold good for lower class muslims. Same thing when you consider Laloo Prasad Yadav, who has so many that he rememebrs the difference between broad guage and meter gauge, but he fumbles when he has to recall the names of his children in a sequence! Why must the rules not apply to him? How can we emulate him? Beats me. I was more interested in linking it with economic criteria. That way, people would be more concerned.
• India
29 Jan 10
Actually riligious rules are more effective then any other laws and people have follow that rules in the cause of religion or society, presently most of religions have no idea about the limit of number of childs, the reason for is that when this religions came in to existence , at that time there was limited population and huge naturel resourses , but meanwhile no body thaought of population explosion. so the religious leaders must think about this. religious rules are mandetory and abritrary and every person...may be rich or poor is binded by it.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
29 Jan 10
Less than an year ago, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) asked Hindus to increase their numbers so that they are not outnumbered by the Muslims in the country. The issue stands there - neither the Hindus nor the Muslims are trying to cut down on numbers. At a future date, may be we will be cutting each other's throats for justa meal!
@balasri (26577)
• India
28 Jan 10
Well even I am not sure whether your idea will work in this good for nothing democratic set up I can very well understand your feeling behind this discussion. It is the mostly the stray children who become the evil elements in a society.We have to have visionaries in the Government to take care of this basic problem. High hopes.Isn't it?
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
28 Jan 10
Hi balasri, I am for population control, but in much more humane way. I advocate usage of birth control methods, especially pills. I think there should be an economic incentive linked to usage of pills and birth control. In our state, the state government generously gave houses to poor without stipulating anything regarding birth control. I think such advantages that are there for poor should be linked to the number of children in the family. If not, poor will always remain poor, drink and beat up children, children will run away, end up in gangs, and become prospective terrorists. We do need to step up pills usage. I think even in households, pills can be supplied along with tea packets, toothpastes, soaps, and such things. This is because women and young girls especially wouldn't be comfortable going to medical shops to ask for such things. That way, we can at least avoid teenage pregnancies. Likewise, adoption within relatives should be banned. That will give some really helpless child a home. There are thoughts, but implementation is a different issue, isn't it?
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@balasri (26577)
• India
28 Jan 10
The strange thing is that everyone in Politics know the issue that is the stumbling block in the real uplift of the society but no one is willing to come forward and implement it with rel boldness. I remember what ALDOUS HUXLEY has said in his Brave New World Revisited 'Consider the problem of over-population. Rapidly mounting human numbers are pressing ever more heavily on natural resources. What is to be done?... The annual increase of numbers should be reduced. But how? We are given two choices -- famine, pestilence and war on the one hand, birth control on the other. Most of us choose birth control'.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
28 Jan 10
Politics the curse for mankind. :) Can't we just go ahead with some humane measures? I discussed this issue a couple of times with a few friends, and I could come up with a solution like that. What stops our governments from coming up with something like that? We dont even have a cell where we can send our suggestions so that somebody looks into it. :(
@sid556 (31023)
• United States
13 Dec 09
I know what you are saying vandana but it just would never fly. Do you realize how many people get pregnant every day on accident? how are you going to stop that? It just would not work. How in the heck would they ever possibly enforce such a thing?
@sid556 (31023)
• United States
13 Dec 09
best of luck to you on this adventure.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Thank you sid. :) I know all of you really mean it. :)
@Hatley (140130)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Dec 09
vandan7 hi I am a tad upset in that I had to go way out of my way to apologize to a user for her username being put out,now you have just done the same, and I also do not like it. For one thing it is against mylot rules to give out our user names, for another you seem to be making fun of me publicly and I do not appreciate it, after all it was my own idea and you nor anyone else is supposed to make fun of me and my idea or insult me because you do not agree with me. If I am wrong in my idea you do not agree then fine but I would rather you had not used my name. okay.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Hi Hatley, I was torn to whom I should give the best response in the previous discussion. Therefore, I brought up that point. For your kind information, I have the same opinion! In fact I did a discussion to that effect! At the time, I was new here, so I had very little response. So now, I have more friends. I admit I was actually confused to suggest it as my own idea, because I was not sure it would or not be picking up your idea. It would be fresh in the minds of everybody who came there. Maximax was there at the discussion that I started in the initial stages as well. So she has not misunderstood the issue at all. I have no intention to upset you Hatley dear. You are very very dear to me. The ha ha was pointed at me, because I am not leaving the issue at all. I want solutions. I just dont want people to say yes, this is a problem. I want people to come up with well, we need education, convincing, and of course, help from government to solve this problem. And I want people to tell me ways it can be done. May be even software programs that will enable me to explain lower classes. And Hatley, nobody has understood it as Hatley's idea. Yes, I am aware that it is against mylot rules. I just had a small problem. If I claim the suggestion as my own, I would be taking away your idea, and if anybody has read the previous discussion, they would be changing the topic telling me, that is what I have done. So I wanted the discussion to remain focused on the issue. If I have hurt you, I sincerely apologize. I have no intention to hurt anybody. I love you Hatley. I love your responses. They are so mature and well thought out! Last person I would think of hurting in anyway! Please forgive me.
@Baluyadav (3644)
• India
12 Dec 09
hi,i haven't seen the first part of your movie..so this suggestion is o.k.Because we are not hearting any one's sentiment and again you suggestion may improve per capita income at least or the sake of their offspring.We are happy to see the sparkles in the eyes of every child.There wouldn't be any child labour,improve education,no beggers...good idea.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
12 Dec 09
At last, one yes! Today must be my lucky day! Lets see what others have to say. :) Thanks for that encouraging response. :) I will start another discussion considering modalities if I receive enough support on this way of reducing population. :)
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@Baluyadav (3644)
• India
12 Dec 09
hi,you are or trying to do good to the society..there is a lot of meaning in your discussion and purpose also.This we can't see as mere discussion,one has to go on their good thoughts,not wait for others support,i mean whether you get support or not,no problem ,as it is a meaningful discussion...go ahead..
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
12 Dec 09
Hi Baluyadav, I try to raise issues and when people come for discussions they too hopefully think about what is written and add their own opinions. When they discuss it with their friends, their friends will also opine. Effectively, we get many brains one working on the same problem. Some solution will be offered by one person and another will offer another solution. Yet others will express what the society in general would not like. I am open to all that. When I prepare my modalities I need to bear in mind all these remarks. Going unilaterally is likely to hurt some sentiments. From the last discussion, what I took was we need to educate people. But do we really have that much time? Are educated people really backing off? Is there this religion or community fear in them? Is there some convincing required with the help of some people, how should we go about it? Through television, or through newspaper columns. I dont think flyers help. I dont think donations help. If NGO's go without any government backing, they might be slaughtered. I think this is where we stand. We cant even take our laptops to each household trying to explain to them look after a few years things will be like this. This is something government has to broadcast non-stop on every channel. Every half an hour one commercial should be there on television telling people look this is what it is. And people like Shah Rukh Khan, Aamir Khan, Amitabh Bachchan, Aishwarya Rai, etc., should join in the effort. Shah rukh khan should say I am a muslim, I have only two children, I dont think Allah has looked down upon me. Same thing Aamir Khan, and Amitabh Bachchan. Even others. Those who have had only two children in older generation - leaders, industrialists, openly mentioning. I'd even enlist Laloo Prasad Yadav's help. I'd ask him to tell people the problems he faced with so many children. That would be the convincing step. That has to be started now along with education. Therefore, affordability and licensing would be intricately linked. Those who dont want to adhere to it, are still welcome to have more children, but let them pay double taxes on everything. That is the way I want to make it. I want to tell them that it is unfair to make people who slog leave their monies so that a person who stays home brings into world another child who is only going to work as a servant in somebody's home! Hope I will be able to convince people logically and rationally without using any harsh words and harsh measures.
@yugasini (12779)
• Anantapur, India
13 Dec 09
hi vandana madam, we have every right to do what we would like to do that things,but they must be have some social values,because we are living in society,we have to follow some norms,i am not at all interest in politics,i know politics ,this is not politics and this politrics,have a nice day
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Exactly Yugasini, whatever we do should be within the overall boundaries of social values, and should be for social good. If having children we cant afford is going to pinch the pockets of another who could have started an industry and employed 10 more or even spent it as per his or her needs or desires that would again benefit 10 more, is mean! It is like asking another person to finance my enjoyment! Not right, isn't it?
@ravesam (33)
• Philippines
13 Dec 09
birth control is the best thing in controling population growth..people must attend seminars relating this topic so that they will know how to be educated and controlling population growth..and nowadays we are already over populated.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Hi ravesam, here it is a number game that is in progress. The lower classes are being persuaded to have more children in the name of religion. There is competition between religions - the number game. They are hardly going to come to those seminars. They are hardly going to practice those birth control measures, unless there is any law that forces them to! Any such law should not hurt the sentiments of any religion either. That is why I tried this suggestion.
@honey023 (57)
• Philippines
12 Dec 09
I think this one is good, because we are not harming anyone's life..Heheh, for a change also!!!
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Yes, honey023, I too am waiting for more votes in favor of this one. :) If majority agree, I am sure we can consider the next step. And honey, if you want to earn here, your response needs to be around 3 lines or so. :) But thanks for kind of voting in favor. At the end of the discussion, I will let everybody know how many felt it was the right thing, and what were the modifications, if any suggested to such a thing. :)
@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
12 Dec 09
Pardon, Vandana, but you're mistaken. I'm not sure of the position of Roman Catholics (though I think they'd agree with me on this), but I know Eastern Orthodox Christians would definitely object to this. It would quickly become the most political arena you ever saw! In the first place, though, there is a myth that the world is overpopulated. Did you know, for example, that Russia is so underpopulated they're paying women not to abort their babies? And this is not unique. There is a lot of misinformation being deliberately spread, as it gives money & power to some people. It's to their advantage to have people buy into this myth. Don't be fooled. Do some checking. You needn't take just my word for it. Maggiepie WHERE'S THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
12 Dec 09
Hi Maggiepie, I am aware of Russia, and I also heard something like this about Japan, Korea, and Canada. :) But I am not talking about them. I am talking about India. I need our people to have enough food, clothing, shelter, and medicine. As things stand, if we give food, we are not able to provide the other three, if we give shelter, we have to forego the other three. I am not asking people to stop having children! I want just a gap! And I want them to be able to afford having children! Some self respect associated with it. We cant be begging grains from the west! That would be height of begging. May be you could tell me the sites from where you are getting your information about India. Then we can discuss this information. As far as I am concerned, my concerns have been based on several articles that have been periodically posted on net. As to our census, it is right :( So there I am not wrong. :(
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
12 Dec 09
To have children must to have affordability. To have child is easy matter. Before getting a child a couple should think their financial position,they should think whether they can give proper education to their child and nutritious food. All these linking to affordability. So birth control is must to limit the size of hungry mouths. I'm always ready to be your guest. Thanks vandana.
@vandana7 (51361)
• India
13 Dec 09
Ah! How did I miss this one in between? The red rose. :) Please forgive me, the power cuts are laying havoc here. I think so far we have 5 and a half votes or may be six in this discussion out of 12 responses. That is good! That is very good! Lets have some others also coming. Hope some from minority communities come here, and vote (give their opinion as well). In the last one, there was one boy who did come. And he voted for population control. :) So things are definitely looking up for India. :) Thanks for being there bhanusb. :)
@Buchi_bulla (8299)
• India
12 Dec 09
You mean license must be issued to people to have children as per their affordability? Will all the religions accept this rule? I do not think so. If a person gets child without license, how it is taken? Lot of confusion is prevailing in this suggestion too.
@agv0419 (3030)
• Philippines
12 Dec 09
I don't think license going to be effective. Responsible parenthood I think is the best solution for population control. If you really care about the future of your children you going to limit the no. of your kids. Now a days it is very hard to support a big family because of the crisis. If I'm going to have kids in the future I only want two.