Obamas home country in Kenya
By laglen
@laglen (19759)
United States
8 responses
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
6 Apr 10
The constitution of the US merely calls for the president of the US to be US born. I do not think that this implies that the president of the US is not to refer to a foreign nation as home, if the president were indeed of a foreign nation (as in the case of president Barack Obama). Unlike some Americans, the president has and can trace his lineage to his paternal homeland of Kenya.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
7 Apr 10
if the president were indeed of a foreign nation
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President
This is an easy argument.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Apr 10
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I am not disputing this. I am just worried about his allegiance as I have stated repeatedly through out this discussion. This is not a birther discussion. Simply a question of allegiance. I am not demanding he step down, I am simply questioning his allegiance. I am not saying he should be charged with treason, I am simply questioning his allegiance.
Do you see a pattern here?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
6 Apr 10
As the Lamb has already said, the president didn't say that, the first lady did...but I won't quibble about that. We have a unique situation in this country right now because this is the fisrt time (that I know of) that our president has been the product of the union of two people from two different countries. Obama has every right to consider the land of his father as his "home country". I don't see that as automatically not feeling the same about the U.S.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Apr 10
ok smoothing out my knickers....
but to reiterate my response:
that the leader of our country, should pledge allegiance TO THIS COUNTRY
he should be held to a higher standard. I am not saying that he should turn his back on Kenya, but I do think he should ALWAYS put this country first.
Thats all - I will step off my soap box now...
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Apr 10
Don't get your knickers in a know, laglen. Why do you assume that Obama doesn't pledge his allegiance to this country...because the father who didn't raise him is from another country? Kenya is part of his heritage and he has family there.
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@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
7 Apr 10
Oh I know, so many people who say that ireland is there home country, on st patricks day, god our whole city was FILLED with them, talking about how special ireland was to them, that was so out of line, just because its their lineage, what the heck is all these irish people talking about their home country?.......you are paranoid and RIDICULOUS...honestly this made me laugh because St pattys day was not long ago and i heard so many say that. WOW is all I can say
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
7 Apr 10
I am not sure how I was paranoid with posting a clip of out presidents wife. I never said they are out to get me, I never said lets go lynch them, I never said that he is going to make the US into Kenya. I also never said Ireland is my home country. America is my home country and I put NO other country before it. Is it really too much to ask that my President feel the same?
@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
7 Apr 10
I forgot some might not get sarcasm, the whole thing before "you are paranoid...." is sarcasm
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
6 Apr 10
It doesn't really sound alarms for me nor does it make me question his allegiance.
It's pushing right through 2010, and I have a pretty good idea of who Obama is.
Things like this while he was running in 2008 would make me say, "WTF!? Since when does someone wanting to become America's President put his country behind others," or something to that effect.
But now I think it's pretty clear that Obama's the ultimate politician. He's a guy who will go out of his way to please anyone he feels to be of importance. He doesn't want to alienate anyone and he certainly doesn't want folks to start believing he's anything less than a world voice and not simply America's.
My personal opinion: Obama's not some closet Muslim born in another country trying to transform America into a weak nation that's ripe for the picking.
I just think he's the basic schmuck politician who bends over backwards to have people like him. He just so happens to share that 60s radicalized view of social justice through government control, theft and redistribution. I think that alone makes him dangerous to America, because it will "fundamentally transform" us into something uncompetitive and unrecognizeable and unmotivated and maybe even unprotected. But I'm not much on the conspiracy things based on what the guy says in an attempt to pander to everyone.
The only thing at this point getting my ire up about Obama is the constant corruption in the MSM.
It has to be clear to everyone who's ever heard one of his Presidential speeches or read a piece of his--their: progressive congress--outsourced legislation that he's treading dangerous ground and has tens of millions of Americans in bitter opposition. Yet, to watch cable news or to read newspapers, he's still the second coming or Christ and oh so infallible. They're still promoting his agenda all the way.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
7 Apr 10
To respond to the end of your response, in my opinion, a leader should be uniting his country. Our country is so divided it is getting violent (I know there was violence before). But the average joe is picking fights with neighbors. I find this very scary.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
7 Apr 10
I agree. But we got what we got. Any Dem would have been the same deal, probably.
Mixed with this Congress in these still-anti-Bush times, even the average liberal would have become a monstrous progressive in office, and we would probably have the same kind of atmosphere -- minus the birther issue and the questions of allegiance.
And I know it's somewhat of a separate issue, even though they tie in, but I don't really hold politicians accountable for the divide in the country. 99.9% of all politicians I've seen in my lifetime have been partisan snakes playing the game at our expense.
I hold media responsible for not properly informing Americans. Sure, personal responsibility means folks should be seeking out the truth. But over the years, Americans have been taught to trust their news sources. Since Bush's latter years, MSM has taken a very hard left and now they're outright corrupt in their handling of American dissent.
Most average Joe types could stomach the politics, I believe, but what they can't stomach is an elite mainstream that insults their intelligence and demonizes them and turns the left against them due to their unwavering plan to push agenda at all cost.
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@MagicalBubbles (5103)
• Canada
6 Apr 10
I thought that in the US if you talked against your country or sort of pledged your alliance to another country, you were labelled a "traitor" ......so has that changed for you guys now?
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
6 Apr 10
Well, you notice that it was posted on Youtube and forwarded by email. I guess it's expected that the media would never pick up on it or report on it.
I don't think it's proof of foreign birth or anything like that, but I do think that the POTUS has no business calling ANY other country "home". The word "home" implies some allegiance, some affection for some country other than the one you represent and govern. This makes it a very troubling comment.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
6 Apr 10
"The clip comes from a June 2008 campaign speech she delivered to the Gay & Lesbian Leadership Council of the Democratic National Committee in New York City, as reported by Reuters." WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA? Did Michelle say Barack born in Kenya? By Jerome R. Corsi © 2010 WorldNetDaily
If Michelle Obama could make such a statement for everyone to hear, (she must have known she was being videoed since this was a campaign speech)it makes me wonder if the fix was in. That statement should have raised some eyebrows even on the democrat side.
