Do you think the government should stop sending unwilling students to school?

@hari1111 (238)
New Zealand
August 17, 2010 1:32am CST
Obviously everyone has the right to learn. In some countries education is free. This means you do not necessarily need to spend money to send your children to school. This is because taxpayers pay for the education systems in most countries. As we know in most school situations we get the group of schoolkids who are unwilling to learn or just doddle and waste their time along with the teachers and possibly their fellow students aswell. It would be rude for a government or school to deny acess to education to kids who do not do well or students who are lazy (especially if their parents are high charged tax payers) but imagine how much money can be saved if all the unwilling children were layed off. What would your take on the matter be?
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• United States
17 Aug 10
Yes. I say this because if a child or teen doesn't want to learn then that is just it, they don't want to learn, and the government shouldn't forced people who learn who don't want to learn. It wouldn't be denying students education, it would simply be just telling that student that if you want to slack off and not get an education then go ahead, but don't be surprised when you go out into the work world and there isn't anything for you.
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
17 Aug 10
Thanks for your comment. I agree with what you said and as I mentioned previously I have no stance here and am more of a fence sitter. It is a good idea for governments to reduce the dropout age this saves them money in the process or money can be directed into other methods of up skilling the youth of today. I agree with what you said about some teens just refusing education because it does not stimulate them. Though imagine this, if the governments were to implement such a policy most especially corrupt governments could justify cuts and say "hey instead of giving 1 million dollars for education this year we will only give 100 thousand dollars" this of course would be a disaster for both the countries citizens and the government and in effect the nation as a whole. But thank you for sharing your opinions on the matter!
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• United States
19 Aug 10
If it's college, the person shouldn't be forced to learn. But for those "children" in grade school or whatever schools young children go to, yes, they should be forced to learn. The little ones should be forced to learn until they're old enough to go out into the world on their own. I think children should be forced to learn, and what they do with this learning is up to them when they get older because at least they had a choice. There is no choice when you're stupid. In the animal kingdom, the adult animals look after the young ones and teach them things when instinct doesn't apply. Our young ones are just as vulnerable as the animal's young ones. Our children should at least be prepared.
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• United States
19 Aug 10
Okay, these children are "reluctant learners". They don't want to learn, people are forcing them to learn, but they just don't want to learn. We are wasting our tax payer money to teach children who don't want to learn at all. What's the point in teaching them if they don't want to learn? There are so students who want to learn, but then they have to be held behind because of those students who don't want to learn. Is that fair to the ones who do want to learn and who do have a chance. When I went to school, if a child didn't want to learn they were 1. held behind, 2. put into special classes, or 3. they dropped out because it got to the point where they didn't care. The teachers are frustrated, the other students are being forced to put up with this student who doesn't want to learn, and everyone is pretty much suffering because of this one student.
@kurumi (85)
• Singapore
17 Aug 10
Imagine a society of illiterates. what would your country become? Education is essential to the survival of a country's economy. I think the government should inculcate into parents (as well as the children) the importance of education and that it should not be neglected. If possible, make it compulsory.
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@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
17 Aug 10
Yes i do agree with what you say! A society or worse a nation of illiterates would be disastrous but lets face it.. You can sit 500 people in a classroom, how many would you expect from that 500 students would go out and a month later remember everything and use that knowledge in everyday life. Its either the curriculum needs to be revised most especially for students keen on certain areas, or we need to find better ways to stimulate the society of learners. Lets face it we all have gone through tormenting and dreary classroom situations and we all know how hard it can be to retain information! Thanks for your opinion!
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
17 Aug 10
You're suggesting Saving money by taking out of the Education system those who are either unwilling to be taught or have learning issues that would otherwise cause disruption in classes? What would you suggest as an alternative? Allowing them to sit at home unproductively all their life while You and society provide them with welfare payments? Enlistment in Compulsory Military service?
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
18 Aug 10
Not being an Educator myself,I don't have the answers to the problems facing kids in education and in Life..I do believe in a "Nobody gets left behind" approach to education,and think more money to educational resources would be beneficial.Not everyone has to have a Doctorate in life,but the 3 "R's" have to be an absolute minimum achievement for someone leaving Education as a young adult to be a functional and productive part of society.Education is not something where Parents can simply Blame Teachers for having problems with their kids abilities or lack of them...Remember,Education begins at home! and,PLEASE bring in a required curriculum item on household budgeting and the use of credit...
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
18 Aug 10
Though dont forget that not every home is a warm loving environment. In some cultures, an academic student is just out of the question. Here in New Zealand for example a large percentage of the school leavers are of Maori or Pacifican decent. This doesn't mean they are dumb as such. This only means that in their society it is not a big thing as opposed to someone who is a rugby player, that would be a more celebrated thing. Though I am not Maori nor have I lived in New Zealand for a long time to be able to make such a comment but it is the face of the human race. Education is not everyones major priorety. In theory it would be good to reinforce education at home. But in practice many people just fail to meet. whether its because they are too busy or just don't give a toot. Its the sad truth of our society today.
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
17 Aug 10
This was not where I was intending to go, as i said above and in other posts I have no stance on the issue. Lets face it either way you look at it, this is a double edged sword. Send everyone to school and you end up paying for bums to fart around, where the money could be better used. Not sending bums to school will create a new generation of bums living off unemployment benefits and etc. As I said above creating alternate routes or courses for the unwilling could bring out talent or promise in otherwise unpromising youth. I love the idea of compulsory Military service. This could bring out discipline in peoples lives, though this would be good for troubled youth! Maybe a sort of cumpulsory enlistment in something hard rigorous and up skilling would be great. This would deter anyone from dropping out and yet this will also bring discipline to those who drop out and maybe bring direction into their lives. Thanks for your opinions! How would you solve this issue?
• China
17 Aug 10
Hari, your idea is quite uniqueHowever, I think government should make sure every child's right of education, even if they are unwilling. As you see, learning is a boring process sometimes, especially for the subjects we don't like. But few people regret what s/he learnt in school, in another side, most of people always regret that why they didn't work hard and learn more in school. And we also know children always consider things well, they judge things only as per their like. Hence, you will find many children don't like study. Of course, as I'm from China, my opinion is basing on China's situation.Anyway, I think it's never a waste that spend money on education.
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
17 Aug 10
Thanks for your reply! Note though that I do not have a stance on the matter, I was merely bringing up the topic. Yes I agree with what you said students must not be denied this right, giving the option of dropping out will have kids dropping out by the thousands if not millions. This can be disastrous for developing countries and such. I think governments should create courses or programs for youth to get into different trades or specific course programs for their desired path in life. Thanks for your opinions, I agree it is not a waste to spend money on education and everyone is entitled to this! Its great to hear opinions you most especially since you have grown up in a different environment from me thus you can bring forth new insight into topics :) Thanks again for the opinion.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
19 Aug 10
I do not think the unwilling children should be "layed off" as you've put it, but I do believe that maybe a change of scenery would be better for them. Perhaps if they were able to, they could be home schooled. Of course that isn't very much a reality now with the economy the way it is and so many mothers and fathers both having to work to make a living, but it's still a dream, and I would say a last resort would be to completely "lay off" the children.
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
20 Aug 10
I agree, laying off children should not be considered the first option. This is because having a society of illiterates would be disastrous to both the economy and the reputation of a country. Though it seems that generation Y is leaning towards that direction. With the greater and more powerful influence of television and the internet. Kids are learning bad things younger and younger and younger than ever. I think home-schooling would not be an option for the majority of these kids. For one some of these kids end up this way either because their parents have no time for them because of work, or because they don't care. These are the problems the new generation (my generation) is facing. I am interested to see how the politicians of my generation will deal with all these issues. I think if governments don't act now we will have problems with our society. Both western, european and asian societies alike.
• Panama
19 Aug 10
I strongly disagree to continue sending undesirable students to school, It is certainly a waste of time and money.There are other alternatives that are designed to treat these troubled youngsters, such as counseling and special training camps. Early detection of these youths to utilize these programs will save money that can be use elsewhere. WallyB
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
20 Aug 10
I agree with what you say, they need to be in school and off the streets where they could be doing worse. But if you leave the bad kids in school, you could affect the good kids. This could create more and more bad kids. I think the government should make alternate schools. For other things such as trades, crafts or life skills such as culinary arts and the such or creation of fast good industry training. I think that the government should act in a way to satisfy all the parties involved without leaving anyone behind.
@asiregar (864)
• Jakarta, Indonesia
18 Aug 10
I think education is a fundamental right possessed by every citizen and the government obliged to keep to the certainty of each of its citizens getting a good education, especially basic education that is necessary to increase insight into the way people think
@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Jan 11
Never thought of it....but sounds like a good idea. Where there are so many children who want to study and can't afford to or don't have access to education, children who are lazy or are not interested need not go to school. The tax payer's money is not wasted on those children and can be utilized for other things.
@megamatt (14292)
• United States
17 Aug 10
Well there are different stages of unwilling to go to school. For instance, I think many of us had those days where we really did not want to go to school. Where we really did not want to be there. Where we only put it the most token amount of effort possible. However, there were children who were like that all of the time. Plus, they disrupted and disturbed every single lesson for those who wanted to get an education. Forcing those children to go to school might not have been the best idea. Its not like they put in any effort. However, if you just let a group of children not go to school because they are unwilling, it is a very slippery slide. Where do you draw the line? There will be more students that are "unwilling" because a certain group got out of school. It is a good idea in theory but in practice, it just has too much that can go dreadfully wrong.
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
17 Aug 10
Thanks for your opinion! I agree with you totally! In theory it is good but in practice is not. This could draw the smart but lazy kids away from school, and this in turn could lead into poorer graduates. This also lowers the chances for students like me who somewhat danced about school during my primary years and going all out during the last few years of my high school. The only thing that saved me is my ability to somewhat retain information, this meant I did not have to listen much or study hard out. Not every student is like me though. I think governments need to have better ways to stimulate students or create better programs that could bring out peoples skills or place them in better courses that they could actually benefit from. How would you solve this issue of wasted money and jobless youth? Thanks for your opinion. Looking forward to your reply!
@nancy0618 (477)
• Philippines
18 Aug 10
why would the government decide for those students? i think the one to dcie on that is that parents and the children themselves, parents role is a big part on it, i do not think that the government should be minding these things as they have a lot of problems at hand
• India
17 Aug 10
Yes i agree with you. But however education is made compulsory by the government i don't think any one of us can bend that rule. Whatever we want to learn requires a desire to do something and also some basic knowledge about that. So that's where education comes in. This helps a great lot of deal from anywhere that we want to start with. Education is the basis for everything. SO Education is a must i say. But unwilling students should have a strong reason not to say no to education and wven when it is free.
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
17 Aug 10
Excellent point! I am neither against or for it. I just thought of a topic that is somewhat controversial. Everything in this world whether it be a trade apprenticeship or a full blown professional job such as medicine or accountancy requires some form of background knowledge. Lets face it there is science all over the world, maths is essential, accounting for everything is a requirement. Though whats the point if kids can't even listen or think straight are you not wasting your taxes if students can't even keep 5 minutes of their attention towards the teacher and try to learn something. Or if they do it just flies out of their heads which later leads to poor university scores leading to poor employment prospects. Lets face it, this is a hard choice for any government because this does mean restricting the possibilities and shutting doors for some. Thanks for your opinions!
17 Aug 10
I don't know about this stuffs but I perhaps the government our not going to select students that are not willing to study for it is a waste of time and money. I wonder where and how it comes up to this idea because it matters most with people who are willing to learned and do have the opportunity to study for free.
@BigTips (304)
• China
17 Aug 10
If everyone has the right to learn, I think it is also a fact that everyone has the right to give it up. Yes, it is really a rude action for a government or school to deny acess to education to kids who do not do well or students who are lazy. Of course, I don't think they have no interest in study just because of laziness. There are lots of students who are not good at learning, why insist on sending unwilling students to school? Perhaps our government needs to take some helpful measures to change the current situation and let all the every child does things following their interests.
@hari1111 (238)
• New Zealand
17 Aug 10
Yes I agree with you! In my opinion the government should give up on trying to make everyone the Dux Literarum of their respective countries. Lets face it not everyone has the affinity for school. Governments should invest in programs that allow students to explore different trades such as carpentry plumbing and metal work. Lets face it not everyone is a literary person. But having said this the government should be ready to prepare routes for those who view their leaving school a mistake to re-enter into the stream flawlessly. Thanks for your opinions!
@skull26 (15)
• Mexico
18 Aug 10
i belive that education is an integral part of all that is national loss of money the government invests in it, is something that I personally thing is wrong, it is best to create that interest in children so prevent them from dropping out are able to have better opportunities in their future
• United States
17 Aug 10
I think they should stop it coz what is the porpuse of sending those student to school who are unwilling to go there in the first place they are just wasting time and effort .Just send those student who are very much willing. You can lead the horse to the water but you canmot make themdrink the water.
@Segerer (53)
• Argentina
17 Aug 10
I think that yes, childs dont like to study.....to be honest who did ever like to study on school days?. However, even if kids dont learn properly at school, it is necesary for their own growth in society since they learn to behave and socialize through school. And when they are kids they think and have other considerations, wich may not be seen that important for us adults wich think they should study. But isnt that why parents are there? to guide childs on the right path when they see it blurry?
• India
17 Aug 10
the government should not stop sending the unwilling students to the school because the children should require minimum education to live well in the society.we have to eliminate illiteracy for the well growth of nation.
17 Aug 10
Funny that you should bring this up. I think so, but how are they going to tell whether someone is really wanting to go to school or not? I think that they do something like this already by refusing one's pell-grant if gpa falls below a certain number (2.0) I do have a friend who is really smart, but she was reluctant to put all her time in making sure she made the grade. Her gpa fell below standards and she lost her pell-grant. On top of loosing her pell-grant, she had to pay back ALL of the money for the classes she failed.