Do Heaven and Hell really exist..?

Thats why i am an atheist. If a person born as your said disabilities and suffer a lot in his/her life then how we can say him as almighty god? We taught that god forgive us for your mistakes as his own child then why physically challenged person born? Just a question to all those religious person. N o hell, no heaven. Just continue your job according to your wish as your the only pone person to judge the right and wrong. No need to think about a birth that we have not ever faced.

I think you've discovered why a belief in a just God requires a belief in an afterlife: in order to redress the injustice of this life.

You have correctly understood the spirit of this discussion.It is our deed that determine.What you say is karma theory and so you reap the consequences of your deeds either good or bad.But I am unable to understand as how the innocent also suffer though they have not done sins like people born blind and people born with permanent disability.I find no answer for that so far...

As you say ir is only to make human beings behave properly in this world the concept of Heaven and Hell camr into existence.Without the concept of Heaven peopple will behave like beasts without any morality and the threat of going to Hell people makes a man come to his senses and conduct himself within limits..

This is a controversial topic.I am not prepared to discuss further...

I was just going to advise you to seek out some Jahovah witnessses to get into a Bible study. When they first contacted me and i started studying i was looking for fault in their teachings. But i could never find any. As i stated earlier the teachings that most chruches have of heaven and hell are NOT correct. It would really take an in depth Bible study to get to undersatnd the truth of the matter. So if you are really interested in knowing the truth of the matter please contact Jahovah witnesses. I wanted to tell you that privately because most people try to avoid them. My 1st study was 32 years ago and i have never found them teaching anything of mans docturine only what is in the Bible. And nothing ever contridices itself.

When you say that heaven and hell do exist you should justify your stand.Then only the discussion can go on.How do you expect us to accept your statement not supported by convincing arguments.Another doubt is as to what is there to send private message.I don't mind.But what is it to say in private message.Please excuse for my remarks...

So far no one who visited either heaven or hell has come back physically and told me their experience there in person to me...

islander7 - are you saying that everything man writes has little literal truth? Therefore you can't really mean what you write because you are a man. Obviously I can't trust the manual for my DVD player either! How do you explain that the Bible has been shown to contain codes that it requiers a computer to find? What about all the passages that sound an awful lot as if they're referring to things the author's shouldn't have known about: Gen 1:6 - "water above the dome" = Kuiper belt and Oort cloud. Job 40:15-24 - "behemoth" = sauropod dinosaur. 41 - "leviathan" = marine reptile. Zech 5:5-11 - nuclear weapon being taken to Iraq. 6:1-8 - 9/11. Rev 8 - comet impact, 10:1-4 - "angel with little scroll" = nuclear missile. 13:16-18 - "mark of the beast" = implanted microchips. Hard to explain if it's just man.

Are you saying that your skepticism about man written documents is specific to the Bible? Does that mean that you believe the Koran to be literally true? What about the Hindu semi-scriptures? Why make an exception for the Bible? How have the codes and Bible references been debunked? Of course "debunking" to me means deliberately disproving something rather than really trying to find the truth. Of course it's natural to look for patterns. They often mean something and can be put to use, perhaps save your life. If you always get sick after eating a certain type of berry, you probably shouldn't eat them. This is the whole basis of science. It's not always easy to tell a chance pattern from one that has significance (this is a big problem in things like deciding if cancer clusters are caused by nuclear power stations) but it's not always impossible either. It has been calculated that many Biblical prophecies and codes are highly unlikely to be due to chance. I've only once gambled in a casino and that was just because I was with somebody who wanted to try it. I know they're random and you're bound to loose on average and the more you gamble the closer you get to the average. There are the odd exception, you can improve your odds by card counting (casinos don't like it) and you can get good at poker. I don't do either.

Dear Islander Please excuse me.I am not able to understand what you in relevance to this discussion..

Technically, you can't really scientifically prove anything, you can only disprove theories. A belief that can't theoretically be disproved isn't a scientific theory but this doesn't necessarily mean that such a belief isn't true. Obviously there are some things, like the existence of atoms, where the amount of supporting evidence is so huge (e.g. if atoms don't exist, how the heck can molecular genetics work?), it's pretty much impossible to see how it could be wrong. Philosophically things are even less provable as there's always some possibility that what we think is reality is really some sort of illusion or computer simulation. Therefore the fact that you can't prove heaven and hell exist doesn't count for much because you can't really prove anything else.

dreamnishu, isn't the most reliable way to get into Muslim heaven, to die fighting unbelievers? islander7 - I once met a young woman who seemed to think that anybody who believed something she didn't agree with (and she had some very strange beliefs) did so because they were indoctrinated. What's the difference between indoctrination and education?

islander7, I've asked you this before and you haven't given a good answer. Parts of the Bible seem to be derived from writings dating from around 3000 BC, about when writing was invented. I believe this is why it puts creation about 4000 BC (the closeness of these dates seems a huge coincidence, particularly as you'd expect the first historian to write about earlier times). I know some people think it was mostly written later but I, and many others, don't agree with them, partly because this theory is based on the false claim that there wasn't any writing at the time of Moses (who's thought to have written most the Torah). How do you know what it was based on? For that matter, how do you know that any legends, oral traditions, whatever, that the Bible draws on weren't themselves true?

Oh really explain your disposition guru

I also feel that heaven or hell is more in the human brain.Whether they exist or or not one is certain that the idea of going to heaven or going to hell corrects the conduct of human beings on earth.Without such concepts human beings also may behave on instince and not on reasoning.Therefore is it not good to believe them...