Expert in Photoshop say BC is FAKE

@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
April 28, 2011 10:31am CST
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=73164 http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/ And claims Obama has released what HE KNOWS to be photoshopped document to KEEP THE CONTROVERSY GOING TO FURTHER MARGINALIZE THE PUBLIC. I know, people said the birthers would scream FAKE right away. But what if Obama is the one who purposefully is keeping this going for political reasons. I know, there are some of you who think he's perfect.... http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/obamas_long_form_colb_may_be_f.html I'm with those who say, ENOUGH. But for different reasons. I'm sick of the games being played by the narcissist in the White House. He's baited us once again. Put out a document with correct information, but that has be altered. In other words, Obama is baiting his enemies with the red meat of a fake-but-accurate document.
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• United States
28 Apr 11
President Obama seems to be saying for his amusement he let the birth certificate controversy linger for more then two years.With the big problems in our country and in the mist of two bloody wars don't seem to be the time to play with the people like a child playing with his toys.If it is true Obama had some one but them strange numbers and so forth on his Hawaii birth certificate just to cause even more controversy what dose that say about President Obama's character.I was wondering beings President Obama was adopted as a child how is it 50 years later Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in the name of Barack H.Obama Jr.Donald Trump may have open a big can of worms.President Obama may be called on to release his adoption papers which he has refused to do along with his collage financial records.
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• United States
28 Apr 11
It seems that Obummer has perpetrated the whole birth certificate crap for over 2 years for his own amusement and also to detract us from the cruddy job he is doing as president regardless where he was born.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 11
love the user name...
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
28 Apr 11
i don't think it's a fake because that would truly involve a huge conspiracy of state officials. Before he released it, they were bound by privacy laws to not say anything specific. Now, I think they would be able to say whether or not it is the document they released. The only difference I see is the green background which I haven't seen on other recently obtained photocopies of certificates from Hawaii. As for photoshop, it appears that photoshop automatically breaks an image down into layers and this is not necessarily an indication of alteration. I think it's important to stop talking about the BC, even though all those media outlets who were so distressed by the controversy are now covering it 24/7. We have to keep them from trying to keep the conspiracy alive. Now that there's no distraction, we can concentrate on what a bad president he is and how best to defeat him in 2012.
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• United States
28 Apr 11
I hear you Rollo, it is kind of useless to worry about the BC, while his actions speak much louder..lol
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Ok, so you have a differing opinion. That's fine. I still feel that there's something he's hiding. At least Rollo, you didn't find a need to ridicule when stating your opinion. And I agree with carmelanirel, his actions do speak much louder. They show he is a man of LITTLE or NO character. But as for this issue being useless, that is where we differ. His character speaks volumes, and if we are to trust him, he needs to be questioned on his character. And even though I am not an expert on verifiying documents, I am going to listen real carefully and not just believe what I am told by a man of little character.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 Apr 11
This is an issue, because if we can't believe in the man's character or his word, how in the h3ll can we believe anything else he says or wants to impliment. Its a matter of trust. I don't trust him because of more than just this issue, but its the one in the news today. I have to go to work. See ya later.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Actually at this point I think Obama's actions speak louder than any BC. He doesn't seem to support American values and has even put down G♥d's word. I also know that those who did support him in the beginning are seeing the truth so I would be super surprised if he was reelected...
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• United States
1 May 11
Well, yeah I can hope, but at the same time my best option is when I vote, to vote in prayer, leave it up to G♥d and the best thing I can do is not worry, because if I did the first two, then that is all I can do and worrying won't help..:)
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 May 11
We can only hope...
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 11
Don't believe it, just don't believe it. Sorry....
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 11
About Lamb? Funny thing is, I saw this discussion, was wondering if he had seen it, and there he was.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Yea, there he is. So, you have an opinion on this BC issue? I'd love to hear it.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Yea, you know me...opinionated. word got around, huh?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
28 Apr 11
I've never been a "birther." I was just one of those guys who thought it would be wise for Obama to show the dang thing and get it over with. Now he has, and turned Trump into a legit contender in the process (FAIL), so here's where I get off. I'm surprised it took a day for the "fake" claims to surface. But I just can't buy it. I fully agree this guy is a narcissist and is bad news for America, but this particular issue has carried on long enough. There are still guys screaming out that "steel cannot melt because of jet fuel" and "you can see each bomb exploding individually." Ah, come on. You can't keep explaining about structural integrity and stomping on little milk cartons for each person. Now I will turn my focus to Trump pwning Obama's college records!!
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 11
No, that doesn't sound plausible. But why did Trump get 60 million from GE just a while ago? Why was he calling and pumping Dr. Corsi for info on his new book? Even getting an advance copy, which is probably in the spin doctors at the White House hand's right now. Donald Trump's agent is Rham and Zeke's brother Ari. http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/we-got-punkd-by-trump/
@LaDeBoheme (2004)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Oh yeah, the ol' Photoshop Conspiracy Theory. Definitely grounds for impeachment! "There are "layers" buried within the code, indicating that it is not a simple copy of a real document." Omigod! Who knows what else might be buried within the code?! Is this a...a... governmental phishing scheme?!! Ahh... the games we ALL play.
• United States
28 Apr 11
debrakcarey so far in the 4 hours lamb has used his new ID I have counted at least 5 times he has made insulting responses or comments. Poor guy he must have some real problems to make him so hateful. He needs my pity not disgust.
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• United States
28 Apr 11
oops... sorry this comment should have been added to the above response.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Or maybe the expert is actually a fake, though I have no proof in the matter, and the expert is trying to keep the controversy going for political reasons. Maybe just maybe the birth certificate long form wasn't photoshopped, it is the real thing and some people cannot accept it. Just saying.
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• United States
29 Apr 11
I read tonight numbers of foreign countries document experts are reporting the newly released birth certificate is a fake.Putting all of that aside seems to me President Obama being adopted in Indonesia by his step father changed the whole landscape.Seems I read some where President Obama's mother changed her son citizenship after moving to a foreign country with her second husband.Perhaps the president needs to release his Indonesia adoption papers.President Obama has publicly admitted for his personal amusement he enjoys playing games with the American people.I do not expect the President any time soon to release his records of adoption.
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• United States
30 Apr 11
China,India,Russian document experts are saying this is a fake document.I just read where person said people that believe this document is fake are idiots.It appears the document was monkeyed with like the two XX above twin and triplets.The strange numbers lower right of the document.President Obama did say he has been amused the past two years over the controversy his birth certificate has caused.I think this is like a child's new toy some one messed with this document putting xx and odd numbers on it to keep the controversy going.I did notice under race for father it says African.I don't think in 1961 Hawaii used African as a black persons race.Matter a fact come to think about it is African even a race?I think this is a new toy to amuse the President.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Apr 11
He was from Africa, but no...it's not a race. It's lik saying we're North Americans.
• Thailand
29 Apr 11
There is nothing more suspect than a self proclaimed expert with an agenda.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Apr 11
Or someone who trusts men in power without questioning.
@urbandekay (18278)
29 Apr 11
What experts? Jumped up little bigots, perchance? all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
29 Apr 11
Race card? How do you work that out???? all the best urban
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Apr 11
I'm surprised that YOU would use the race card urban.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Apr 11
Conservatives see a conspiracy around every corner, and liberals see a racist behind every corner!! funny
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Of course he is doing it for political reasons. I don't think it will help him much tho. His poll numbers are in freefall.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 Apr 11
I haven't looked today, how LOW are they?
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• United States
28 Apr 11
I haven't looked today either, something I was reading a day or so ago. I figure nothing much has changed, but now... what with this fake birth certificate, I am thinking power dive.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 Apr 11
I can't keep up with all the articles and blogs! I wish I didn't have to go to work so I could spend the day reading them. I'm sorry, that is mean. I'm just really sick of all this. I wish he would just clear this up and we COULD really move on. He accuses the public of keeping him from his business as 'king' but its him who is keeping it going. He's not stupid.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
29 Apr 11
Sorry that guy on iowntheworld.com isn't an Photoshop expert because of a few things the main one is he is doing a view based look at a document which is not only a very bad way to check if a image has been doctored in any fashion but isn't the way anyone in Computer forensics or even Photoshop experts would do. If the Images was doctored in anyway you would have to view the Image in a Text form which means using some special programs you would be able to see if it was edited in anyway and how it was edited. As for an example the COLB Obama posted wasn't Photoshoped in anyway as the file upon examining it showed only in the file. ADOBE PHOTOSHOP CS4 with some extra statements that are Hexdecimal code for the image. If something is tampered with on top of an image like an actual Birth Certifcate it will show this in a .png file or .jpg (.bmp and others don't do this as well because of the fact they are much older so they don't have the same support. a .bmp) wouldn't show up even if it was doctored in any way because Bitmaps are of low quality. .PNGs do as they can track layers. He is also using links which picks up on highlighted areas of the image and You simply are not able to pick up if something is photoshop or even if it was what areas are photoshop or not with out doing a file examination which would be a Text File as all Images are text files.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Apr 11
I couldn't tell if you were right or wrong. I suppose we are at an impass with this. Time will tell...
@froggy57 (26)
• United States
29 Apr 11
O.K. I Read the discussion. Now here is the truth. Of course Obama has a real birth certificate. And of course he is a real U.S. citizen. Do you think an alien could walk right past the C.I.A. and the Secret Service and take up residence in the white house? lol. He was vetted thoroughly, as is everyone who runs for President. Now.. take notes. Obama is a wealthy lawyer and a politician schooled in politics in the most corrupt city in America. Do you really think Character is in play here? :o) He sat in a church every sunday hearing his preacher and mentor say "kill the whites" without ever objecting to that kind of racist oratory. White people, do you really think this man is your friend? And you Christians: You heard him put down the Bible and scorn your religion. Do you really think this man is your friend? It cost millions and calling in thousands of ultra valuable markers to put him in the white house. The people who put him there are not stupid. They expect a return on their investment. Working people, do you really think this man is your friend? He is owned by the real powers behind the throne and will do as he is told. After all, he did see what happened to JFK when JFK tried to slip the bonds of his handlers/financiers. And as someone remarked. He is not stupid. It is in the best financial interests of the people who put him in office to keep the people distracted with stupid side issues while they quietly go about raping the country. $14 trillion in debt. Almost $3 billion in interest charges each month. Now pay attention here.... if they taxed every person in America 100% of their wages for the rest of their lives, they could never pay that debt off. Fact. Do the math... Now, the congress and senate are also owned by the finance menbankers who put them in office. (and you saw the payoff they got in return) It is a huge private club with fabulous offices and very comfortable digs and great pay and benefits... from which you, the average person, are excluded. Working People.. do you really think these men are your friends? Every government is corrupt. From the days of Caesar till now. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. foget who said that, but it is still true. So don't expect a fair shake from gov.. but do expect to be kept bent over a barrel.
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• United States
29 Apr 11
Baron Acton was the one who said that.
• United States
30 Apr 11
The senate couldn't find their butt with both hands. But the Secret Service can. And it is they who gave the all clear.. which is why the Senate didn't bother.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Apr 11
Officals at Congressionl Research Services say he was not properly vetted. In fact, the Senate refused to do so when asked. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2522792.aspx View the two videos.
@jb78000 (15139)
29 Apr 11
baiting only works if you let it. incidentally i didn't look at your links but i recognise the sites. erm, not the most reliable ones in the world.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
29 Apr 11
I feel the same way about George Monbiot.
@jb78000 (15139)
29 Apr 11
because i have seen the drivel you get from, for example, american thinker and three times of looking at such garbage does me. it is boring, idiotic and strains your eyes.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Apr 11
Here's one even less credible by yout standards: http://birthers.org/ I just can't understand jb, how it is that before you see something, you've already decided what you think about it. I just can't wrap my mind around that. Yes, I do understand having a bit of skepticism, but to just not even look?
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
29 Apr 11
You are correct, debra, in that the "document" itself is fake, but it does reveal some vital information which can no longer be ignored. The vile usurper in the WH is still gaming us a la takiyya, Alinsky tactics, in order to distract, deceive, disarm, and destroy. However, he may have " hoisted himself on his own pitard" be revealing unequivocally that his father was "African" (not the term used in HI at that time). BHO, SR., A KENYAN NATIONAL AND NEVER US CITIZEN. He thus reveals himself again to fail the first threshhold test of ONLY A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, because he shows himself to be NOT natural born. Demand your Congressmen impeach/him for fraud, sedition, etc. Place of birth can only qualify one to be "native born", not natural born unless the child of TWO US citizen parents. "Gaming", "baiting", "deceiving", - these are the "arts" in which this criminal is well versed. He must be removed NOW. This is beyond reprehensible and may cost us every ounce of freedom if our elected officials to not do their sworn Constitutional Duty. Call all of them, especially Allen West who has "double" duty as a Congressman and a military man.
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• United States
30 Apr 11
Many people are misinformed. You only have to be born on U.S. soil to be a citizen. Hence the desperate drive of mexicans to get across the border and have a baby on U.S. soil. U.S. servicemen have always brought their non native wives to the U.S. to have their babies, so the baby will be a U.S. citizen, even though the mother is not. ((The fourteenth amendment does not use the phrase "Natural born citizen", it does provide that "All persons born or natualized in the U.S. and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the U.S. and the state wherein they reside." The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language "a natural born citizen". It thus assumes that citizenship may be aquired by birth.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 Apr 11
I plan on doing that very thing. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2522792.aspx View the two videos.
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
30 Apr 11
You, froggy, are misinformed. THE MANDATED CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR A PRESIDENT IS "ONLY A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". (TWO US citizen parents AND born in America). This is NOT the same as any other definition of citizenship. IT IS NOT: "citizen" 'native-born citizen" "naturalized citizen" "born citizen", as in the 14th amendment AND IT IS CERTAINLY NOT "dual national" which the State Dept. (7/10) declared this person Obama, Soetoro, Dunham, Soebarkah, etc. as, and which this now 'PRODUCED" Birth Certificate blatantly announces and PROVES he is and, therefore NOT NATURAL BORN OR ELIGIBLE. NO ONE having "dual allegiance" CAN EVER BE ELIGIBLE TO BE NATURAL BORN OR PRESIDENT. Just think about it with common sense; it is simple and it is logical.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
29 Apr 11
My goodness Debra, you really know how to make a discussion. I read through everything and almost forgot to comment! Regarding the birth cert, he should have had this fake two years ago. I wouldnt trust the man if he said the sky was blue.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Apr 11
Me either. So which opinionated response did you like the best?
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
29 Apr 11
*facepalm* I can't say I'm surprised. I knew if he released it there would be someone coming along declaring it a "fake". Photoshop and Illustrator are two completely different programs that operate in completely different ways. You can be an "expert" in Photoshop and still not know squat about how Illustrator works. I have done a good deal of graphic design work and as such, am proficient in Photoshop and Illustrator. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Apr 11
ok...I'll take your word for it since you have experience. Thanks.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
3 Jun 11
Apparently ONE expert does, he's testified in federal cases on documents before. There's kerning used in the document, something only computers can do. Where'd they get a computer in 1961?
@marie2052 (3691)
• United States
1 May 11
The saddest part to me is because I am a veteran of 2 wars when I served. And to know that a General was jailed and lost his honorable discharge taking it to higher courts. and 2 1/2 years later NOW HE WANTS TO SHOW IT? Thats enough right there when he has ruined people that were protecting our country and refused to show it then to stop the so called silliness as he calls it now. I will be reading the book on May 17th and form my own opinions as an enlisted militrary veteran, a U.S. citizen, and the right to know as a legal voter willing to vote for people that show all proof of citizenship and documents needed to run or do anything when it comes to the safety of the United States. I served my country proudly when I served, but I don't agree with who should and who should not get the right to not have to show their records. our Constitution is still in our country, and should be read to understand what American obligations are. Ask somne soldier on the street you see in a wheel chair waving a flag. He and many others still alive and home can tell you stories. And their stories ring true to always Value the Country, its values, and the Constitution.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
3 Jun 11
And I bet you had to show your birth certificate to enlist, didn't you. Get Dr. Corsi's book marie2052. There's kerning in the print of the document submitted to the public. Something ONLY COMPUTERS can do. Where'd they get a computer in 1961?