The Difference between Class & Narcissism

United States
August 26, 2011 7:40am CST
George W. Bush speech after capture of Saddam Hussein: The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq . The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. [b]Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate them.[/b] Now BO's speech Barack Hussein Obama speech, Sunday, May 1, 2011: And so shortly after taking office, "I" directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as "I" continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network. Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by "my" intelligence community, "I" was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. "I" met repeatedly with "my" national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, "I" determined that "I" had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. Today, at "my" direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. Pretty sick huh! I didn't know he single handedly took out Bin Laden??? http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/lounge/53824-difference-between-class-narcissism.html [i]I think this is an excellent example showing just what an egotistical excuse for a president we have. Not one word about the hard work and danger faced by our brave military personnel over the years. What is your opinion on this comparison?[/i]
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26 Aug 11
I think that this is the state of politics today. The unfortunate reality is the the radical right in this country has been more concerned with seeing Obama fail as President than to work with him. Several GOP leaders were quoted as saying this after he was elected, even before he was sworn in. Therefore, he has been forced to highlight his accomplishments. He's the only one giving himself the credit he deserves. While I will not argue our armed forces deserve credit too, this does not negate the necessity to tell the American people about how the decisions he has made are affecting positive change on the society in which we live. Its unfortunate, but true
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
26 Aug 11
What accomplishments?
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• United States
26 Aug 11
I echo...what accomplishments?
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• United States
26 Aug 11
Quick true (meaningless lol) story: My dog ran away one time and was gone for days. I couldn't find him, so I tasked my friend to find him. He used to work as a dog catcher so I figured he'd be good at it. He looked for a while and finally tracked him down in the next town over. The pound had picked my dog up. All I had to do was say "Okay, go ahead and bring him home" on the phone. So now I can take all the credit for finding my dog. I never looked at it that way until now.
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@AmbiePam (85627)
• United States
28 Aug 11
Girl, you know what I think. And I wonder how many people will try to get your discussion deleted? Ya gotta love truth.
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• United States
28 Aug 11
Why would they want it deleted? It is the truth!
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• United States
28 Aug 11
You are probably right.
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@AmbiePam (85627)
• United States
28 Aug 11
'Cause that's what they don't want to face.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
26 Aug 11
Bush did the better SPeech he gave credit where credit is due and didnt take any thing for him self PB was all about him and it suckes
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• United States
27 Aug 11
I would have been surprised at any other words from our President. There have been three Presidents that I personally have been embarrassed by their leadership or lack thereof, and Obama tops the list by a wide margin. I am just waiting to see how he handles the aftermath of Irene, maybe people will see something that will wake up the country. The current administration shows incredible lack of class which I find both disturbing and distressing. He seems to think he is a one man show and oftentimes the one man show is merely a misguided effort to prone oneself worthy of recognition.
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• United States
27 Aug 11
Obama just constantly reminds us of his narcissistic, egotistical character traits. He is probably just upset at having to cut his umpteenth vacation short.
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• United States
27 Aug 11
The word prone above should have been prove, typing in the dark again...:) ;
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Your discussion and delineation of the lack of character and "class" of Obama/Soetoro/Dunham/Soebarkah is clear and accurate. There is no excuse for the "egotistical" foreign and domestic enemy jihadist sitting unconstitutionally in the WH. Unfortunately, as he every day dismantles our country and freedom, too many Americans are still unable to discern the deception of which they continually partake, having been lulled into believing they should vote for a man of "perceived" color but of NO CHARACTER. Alan Keyes warned us in 2004 that this was a man of "seared conscience". The usurper no more "captured Bin Laden" than did Mickey Mouse. In fact, he is the new face of Bin Laden, destroying "western civilization from within" as is his jihad terrorist mission. http://atlah.org/2011/08/20/the-navy-seals-assassination-obama-collusion/ http://atlah.org/2011/08/24/update-and-investigation-into-the-navy-seals-in-afghanistan-on-the-5th-of-august/ http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/08/10/who-brought-down-the-helicopter-carrying-american-navy-seals/ It is neither "coincidence" nor accident that the Navy Seals supposedly on the "Bin Laden" mission will ever speak again re the truth of that "mission". Though reports still differ re details, it is clear that deception continues to abound, confusion is encouraged, just like the morass that surrounds the actual identity of one BHO/Soetoro,etc. whose identity is buried at taxpayer expense. Three other murders remain conspicuously underinvestigated and unsolved: Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 4/08 re passport fraud scheme would have testified that BHO already known as dual-national was here as illegal alien Jim Miller, 7/10 TN elections official investigating BHO eligibility John Wheeler,III 12/10, military aide with much info re CIA operations, also re Terry Lakin case Scripture says, "The truth is sharper than a double-edged sword." It's easier to swallow Hitler's "big lie" which places "blame" on a "perceived enemy elsewhere" than the truth of God which demands accountability and personal responsibility of each of us individually. We bristle and rail when faced with the simple truth and its profound meaning in our understanding and behavior. Both Dr. Manning and Alan Keyes, staunch Christians and honorable Americans, have warned us against this usurper whose "team" continues to play the "race-card" and foment racial hatred in order to subjugate the foolish among us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xphzHqcLvNs&feature=related http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009/02/alan-keyes-and-barack-obama.html http://atlah.org/2011/08/26/obama-is-evil-new-york-daily-news/
• United States
27 Aug 11
Excellent response. Definitely worthy of best response!
@waflay (2737)
• Nairobi, Kenya
26 Aug 11
I'm not American but I still remember G.W. Bush's opening clause in that speech.. "Ladies and Gentlemen we got him". This words may look so simple but in real sense, they generalized everyone who was against Saddam Hussein. That is why I respect your former president. When we come to B. Obama, I think he has a problem when it comes to involving his team and the general public in matters concerning them directly. Or is it a sign of superiority? He likes using words that point to himself in his general speeches. What I know is, people who likes 'I, ME, MYSELF' are the most failures in the society. (forgive me for that)
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• United States
27 Aug 11
Thank you very well said!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Sep 11
I'm sorry for taking so long to respond to this but I've been playing catch-up lately! I just wanted to say these two speeches, which the source from which you copied selectively edited to get the right affect, aren't really comparable because the two men in question aren't really comparable. Saddam Hussein was captured by U.S. troops during a war; Osama Bin Laden was killed by Navy Seals after having been located because of very painstaking intelligence work. Whether you or the writers of your post like it or not, President Obama DOES deserve a great deal of credit for bringing down the monster who was behind bringing down the WTC, especially since former President Bush had basically forgotten about him for years. That doesn't mean to say the heroic Navy Seals who carried out the mission don't deserve the most credit since it was their lives that were put on the line; actually, President Obama DID give them the credit they deserved but it was conveniently left out of the excerpt you posted. I really wonder - NOT - what you and the writers of the blog you copied and pasted without doing any further research would be saying if the mission to capture or kill Bin Laden would have failed; we both know it then would have been ALL Obama since it was E who ordered it. Annie
• United States
21 Sep 11
Don't worry about being late. Knowing how you love Obama I am sure this response late or not was quite a catharsis for you. I'm glad to have been of help. I am so used to you dissing anything even remotely against Obama (even if it is the truth) I find it quite amusing!
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Sep 11
Whiteheather, PLEASE get off the nonsense about how I "love" Obama! Am I supposed to not respond to any discussions in this interest unless I'm going to pretend to agree with everything you haters write? I've had plenty of negative things myself to say about our President, as I have about every other President we've had but that doesn't mean I agree with everything negative about him, whether it's the truth or not. It's going to be a long five years for both of us, Hon, and I sincerely hope we can both keep our senses of humor and not take things personal! The way I see it, we'd better hope and pray Obama gets a second term because any of the alternatives would be bad news on so many levels for all of us. Annie
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Sep 11
OOPS! That was supposed to "HE" not "E"! Annie
@p1kef1sh (45681)
26 Aug 11
In two terms of mostly well covered up failure Bush had to have done something right. Politicians kill their own citizens in the name of "Freedom". Bush was very good at that and Obama hasn't done much to stop the killing. But don't be fooled, Bush is/was every bit as narcisstic as Obama. It's just that there's no mileage in bashing Bush now. But here's a Bush comment that is equally narcissitic: "I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for President." As recalled by minister James Robison in a telephone conversation with Bush, and first reported in the book The Faith of George W. Bush (2004) by Stephen Mansfield.
• United States
26 Aug 11
That does not sound in the least bit narcissistic. I always pray for guidance before making any major decisions and always get a response or indication what I should do. In my book that is having faith. Obama probably looks in the mirror for his guidance as he is too egotistical to ask God or probably Allah for guidance.
• United States
27 Aug 11
I think your lack of religious knowledge is sad. Perhaps you should find a preacher to help you out.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
26 Aug 11
It may not sound it to you but it is. Now just what exactly is the difference between God and Allah?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
26 Aug 11
Like is stated above me, Obama doesn't write his own speeches. Not that I'd call the guy dumb or anything. I wouldn't. He's very intelligent in his respective niche. And that's all you can ever expect from anyone. Honestly. But while his writers always make sure the President is referencing himself directly, Obama sure doesn't balk at the idea. Nearly three years in, he knows for sure the many little kinks and quirks that will turn people off. Sure, those who bash Obama just to bash him are going to bash him regardless. But he knows full well that referring to himself in such a positive light so often is going to convince some people--some of whom may not otherwise be convinced--that he is very narcissistic. Not this speech alone, but dang near every time the President speaks - he's always playing the role of either the above-the-fray, victimized politician, just trying hard to do the right thing while surrounded by idiots, or he's the hero of the day. It's just his schtick. And you can't put it on the writers at this point. Anyone for whom you write regularly has preferred phraseology and favorite keywords. Obama prefers to be seen as better than everyone else, or that's at least how it comes across. And I don't think some whiner can say that's a slam on the guy. It just seems to be his style. The evidence is quite substantial. All that aside, I can't figure if Obama really holds that high of an opinion of himself or simply if he is advised by those around him to act that way. I mean, let's be real about it here. Those rolled-up baby-blue shirts and the thunder arm stance every time he seeks to get in touch with the "people" are not examples of Obama being real. They're just what poll the best. So the only thing that is clear to me is that Obama is the most political politician I've ever seen in my life. He's a tremendous character actor. Just sayin'. If Tom Hanks ever retires...
• United States
26 Aug 11
I know he doesn't write his own speeches but he has to read and approve them before he spouts the garbage to the world. If he is so intelligent he must be able to see just what an unfavorable light he puts himself in. No one forces him to say anything he does not approve of. As he is constantly letting us know he is the president and can do what ever he wants. If he thinks making himself look bad is in his best interests then he has a serious mental problem.
• United States
26 Aug 11
Thank you I really agree with a lot you say in your comment.
• United States
26 Aug 11
He's intelligent for his niche. But that's about as far as it extends. (The same holds true for most people, but this is about Obama.) In fact, most of the Obama crowd share the same type of intelligence. They're savvy for what they're attempting to accomplish, but they cannot gauge the atmosphere at all. They're so sheltered--in Obama's case, surrounded by yes men--that they don't realize America leans one way while they're falling over in the opposite direction and honestly believing the rest of us are suckers for not jumping behind them. Of course he knows what's in his speeches. And if he didn't know in speech 1, 2 or 3, he certainly knew by speech 45,185! So he definitely doesn't have a problem in taking the credit and playing the victim. My only point is that I'm not sure if that's his true personality or if he and his team are so disconnected that they believe self-aggrandizing is an endearing quality. I answered another discussion that I was eager to read more responses to. It's in the People section and about Obama. The question posed is "do you like Obama as a person?" And truth be told, I really can't answer that, because I still have no clue what type of person Obama is. Is he the guy who claims to want balance while all the cameras are on him, or is he the guy who cries behind closed doors and runs out like a whiny brat when people won't cave to his will? When someone so frequently wears two different faces, I can't tell which is which. So I don't know if Obama's "me, me, me" side is true narcissism or if it's some type of political strategy geared to stretch out the 15 minutes on his messiah label.
@marie2052 (3691)
• United States
28 Aug 11
I swore I was not going to get political in here but this was to good to pass up. I served in the military. If I was now serving under this commander in chief, sorry but I would go AWOL. When I see this President with rolled up sleeves, hardly saluting officers when he should be respected as much as them, waiting for his next golf outing, or vacation, Sorry I don't and guess I won't understand much of what he has done while he has been in. I see unemployment rising, no jobs available, and a president that is campaigning when we need him to RUN the country. Why is he campaigning? He has already been elected. Gee if he was doing such a good job, he would not have to campaign. I served my country proudly, but I sure can't say he has although he will say I AM and I HAVE. your right its all about the I with him!
• United States
28 Aug 11
I do not think Obummer has any respect for anyone. He has put our country down in front of his Eastern friends. He apologises for our country in front of the world and disrespects our brave military. He is a disgrace.
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• United States
26 Aug 11
Let's not forget the Presidents do not write these speeches themselves, nor do they read them without knowing the intended impact. GW Bush's speechwriters at the time were able to make the speech seem sincerely respective of the military because GW needed to improve his relationship with an armed forces that he was strangely rude to up to then. Obama's speechwriters, surely with Obama's direction or support, were more interested in the political reality that the impression of Obama's Presidency is one of lack of accomplishment. With this in mind, Obama's team felt a need to point out exactly what he had "done" regarding this operation. While it is annoying and self-serving, it is also politics and therefore not unexpected, especially from Obama. However, the political reality of the time, a large hate and fear campaign gathering like a storm from the political Right, pushed him to this pont (in his mind). Surely people who are trying so hard to affect politics should shoulder a portion of blame for its outcome. They certainly would take responsibility if the result was politically popular. Politics is often involved in redirecting attention. Don't let the bile over this speech blind anyone to the fact that political games are being played by all sides. Obama has proven to be a disappointment. But he's not Satan, nor are his "haters" innocent. As for the differences in the speeches you mention, it is not really a matter of "class" and "narcissism" just politics and what some political advisor convinced the President at the time was a good strategy. I don't believe GW was any more sincere in his speech than Obama believed he really did anything to catch bin Laden. Both of them were lying through their teeth unless Obama REALLY believes he was instrumental in ending bin Laden. Either way, nothing surprises you anymore when you study politics long enough and don't drink anybody's "kool-aid".
• United States
26 Aug 11
You said "GW Bush's speechwriters at the time were able to make the speech seem sincerely respective of the military because GW needed to improve his relationship with an armed forces that he was strangely rude to up to then"...At what time??? Both speeches Obama's and Bush's were made at the same time. Bush was no longer president and no need to improve his relationship with the military. You said both were lying through their teeth!!! I totally disagree!! Bush has no need to lie. Although I did not vote for Bush I can honestly say he always came across as a real gentleman. Obama on the other hand has shown to lie almost every time he opens his mouth. I find his snobbish supercilious holier than thou demeanor to be highly insulting.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Sep 11
Whiteheather, I'm very confused right now. Both speeches were made at the same time? Bush was no longer President? Huh??? Bush certainly was President when Hussein was captured and it happened years ago, not four months ago. Annie