When both husband and wife earn----- do you think this ensures better happiness

@kalav56 (11464)
India
October 14, 2011 1:35am CST
My discussion topic has particular relevance in the Indian context where there are better earning opportunities, better education and more exposure for girls these days than it was a few decades ago. Gone are the days when men were the only earning members ,women were just taking care of their homes and children and engaging themselves fully in some handwork, housework etc.., There used to be larger families too and the mother had to take care of three or more children. This situation changed and women had greater free time with less children at home even in our days. Nowadays, most young couples go out and earn. There are just a handful of women who are without a job. A sudden thought struck me ;-- are young married couples very happy these days just because they have more money to spare? My question is , keeping apart the question of inflation, even when there is surplus does this ensure marital happiness? . Thanks in advance for sharing your observations and views.
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@viju0410 (2286)
• India
14 Oct 11
Hi, These are the times of dual income for a household. But sometimes it happens that both the couple work hard to meet the ends with the high cost of living. So it becomes necessary for some to earn and support the family. Apart from this, if a couple has enough money then too we have heard of murders and divorces among young married couples. So money is definitely not giving you sole happiness. Yes, you can have an improved quality life style and spent on brands. There are also couples who earn well but still have conflicts. After all marital happiness is not all about money, but we also need to consider love, understanding, trust, bond and a lot more..........
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Oct 11
Money is not the cure for all ills and especially for marital happiness. In fact, soemtimes it even becomes the cause of a rift. It is a sense of values and a capacity for being noninvasive that are needed.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
17 Oct 11
yes prettyruby; you have written so much of sense. Pressure is less on teh breadwinner when the partner contributes. Welcome to the forum!
• United States
16 Oct 11
I definitely agree that money does not necessarily equal happiness. If both spouses work long hours then it will be hard for both of them when they come home. However, I think it is good for both spouses to earn, even if one of them only works part-time. I think that it puts less pressure on the primary breadwinner, especially if he/she loses his/her job, which is quite common in this economic climate. This is especially true for spouses with children. If one spouse decides to spend the majority of their day with the children but still works a little (10-20 hours a week), it can not only help the family's economic status, but also allows him/her to be a part-time homemaker as well. I think that this would be very fulfilling!
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
14 Oct 11
Hi dear, Even though money cannot provide happiness, it has its own role in our life. If the couples have a good financial background it helps upto a certain extent to live the life happily. However, a better financial background does not ensure the happiness in life. I think it wholly depends on the individuals, how they deal with the situation. You may agree that love marriages are increasing in India day by day. Most probably problems start in their life due to financial insecurity. They lose the ‘love’ in between when they struggle to meet the both ends. If the couples have enough money then there may be some others issues like adjustment with the partner’s nature, trust, ego etc. I knew very well how it is difficult to adjust with the cost of living and the income in this place. If you have school/college going children then you just can’t imagine the expenditure for their studies. If both partners are working then we can care better the expenditure. So in my opinion, money has its own role in our life. I would like to reiterate money is not everything too.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
Yes Shree! With escalating costs, a dual income would be helpful. School and college education would be worrying; add to it some health issues and situation gets tense.When couples have agood understanding and a healthy attitude and desire to adjust and sacrifice, things get easier. I agree with your point thta money is not everything in life and htis is why there are so many divorces.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
15 Oct 11
Sadly it is a bitter truth.
@ElicBxn (63252)
• United States
14 Oct 11
When you consider how many rich people have divorces, I would say "no"
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
THe richer people are, the more divorces are seen I guess!
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@naseemkum (1803)
• India
14 Oct 11
I accept richer couples had more divorces now a days its because both women and men are earning in that family. They dont want to depend upon others so at mutual concern they get divorced and choosing their own life.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
14 Oct 11
Dear Kalav Well, you might have this discussion in the Indian Context but I think it is more about families all across the world. The only question here is "Whose Happiness?" - the happiness of the parents (the hubby and wife who are both earning) or the happiness of the entire family as a whole? From the children's point I think this is the worst scenario to happen as there is no one to take care of the child - this leads to many psychological and other complexities. We are now a days not interested for the Joint Family System anymore and so it has much of loneliness for the Child. From the happiness of the earners, well, at end, they might make a lot of money but when it comes to other things, we rarely find that they gel and blend together as Husband and wife. Maybe this is the reason of too many divorce cases or anything else. My wife works as a lecturer and I work from home. This does allow us to share more time together - once she is back home - but I believe this wouldnt have been possible if I was working out with any organization - and we would have to wait for days to see each other.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
If both have a slightly less demanding job then it would be convenient to spend some time together; but here if someone wants a fufilling career time is always at short supply. If we are able to enjoy time together, there would be compromises on the finacial front but I feel it is ultimately a person's individual preference.
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@pahak627 (4558)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
More money is not the basis of marital happiness. I think what makes couples happy is their love for each other. When this love is gone, happiness with each other is gone too. In the Philippines where divorce is not allowed, many couples separated their ways because of vanished love for each other. It is unfortunate for them, they can't marry another. There are even some who resorted to annulment of their marriages and I guess money is not the cause of their separation.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Oct 11
Is divorce not allowed in your country?Why? Does the court not intervene?
@huilichan8 (1378)
• Singapore
14 Oct 11
Yes, to some extent. Financial woes are one of the main causes of marital conflicts; at least that's true in the context of my country. Without any financial worries, couples will hv fewer conflicts and thus they'll b happier. But on the other hand, a couple's happiness is not juz dependent on financial well-being. If they do not spend quality time together, then they might not b happy in the long run. Of course, there're other factors involved that determine whether a couple is happy.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
When it is a case of a total lack of funds, I agree that it is always a case of mental tension and trying to make ends meet. When there is surplus, however, there should strictly be no cause for concern; herein peep in other factors like tranquillity of mind.
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• Singapore
18 Oct 11
Yup.
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@SHAMRACK (8576)
• India
14 Oct 11
Dear friend, I feel money cannot give you entire happiness, both couples go for earning may be for their own family betterments, may be due to financial constraints or due to any other reasons. But there are also other values that are more than money, mostly the children when they need the timely affection from their parents. In India on the other side divorce are also increasing. I feel these earning in both sides could make both independent to be in their own ways. This may make the decision power more emphasized in both husband and wife. They both feel I am correct and stand stubborn with any compromise as on other side I could stand without you, the job that holds gives more confidence to live further without any support. But I feel the ultimate suffers would the children. Moreover I feel that as the Indian culture is clashing with the western lifestyle, their mostly the values of family gets shattered. There are also family where even both are earners still their family goes happily, I feel that is real family where value of relationships is upheld along with the earning they get.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Oct 11
True.GOne are our days when couples stuck together despite all odds. But, nowadays there is intolerance and if a couple are not able to see eye to eye then it is better they separate and go their happy ways. I agree it is children who really suffer but I am sure here too it will soon become like the west where it is a pretty common thing and children are very self reliant.It is sad and it is not an ideal situation.
@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
Money does not ensure happiness. So even if both husband and wife earn this does not automatically mean they have a happy family. If money is the key to happiness then why is it that there are rich couples that can't be happy and their marriage ended up in divorce? Happiness can't be assured even when there is money and lots of material possession. Happiness in marriage can be achieve when the husband and wife do not just love each other but also know how to stay faithful. They should also work together as one in building a happy family by supporting and cooperating with each other. They must know how to forgive each others fault and must hold on to each other even in time of trouble. They should also know how to be contented with what they possess.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
Excellent response! You have touched on all the essentail ingredients of a happy marriage. Your last sentence sums it all up because contentment is the key to happiness in life and this is most important in marriage .
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
14 Oct 11
Hi kala, very relevant discussion ! I agree that things have changed a lot these days and it is difficult to find young stay at home wives any more in the cities. Personally speaking, in my own parental home my mother was a working woman, she being a teacher, had to balance both her career and home.I admire my father for being very supportive in every possible way when we were children.So my feeling towards working couple has always been positive, that it is healthy and makes the family happier... However, I have this cannot be held as the absolute truth since it can have its own problems and negative impact. With all that I would definitely encourage my daughters to have a committed career , which would give them financial independence, which I feel also earns them a certain amount of respect within the family...I have heard of housewives being spoken of as those who have no work, which is far from the truth!but that's the general feeling among Indians.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
Your father has had a great role to play in your positive approach Kiran! But I feel that in a way he has set a benchmark for you and if your husband were not like that you are likely to have felt slightly disheartened because we normally think all men would be like our fathers. What you say is right; your daughters must have some productive activity in theri own right becasue apart from respect from others it will give them a sense of selfaccomplishment.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
Yes Kiran!Not all people are the same and one must have the maturity to accept it. If it is a negative quality and the partner does not have it we get pleasantly surprised.Only disappointments need mature handling.
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
14 Oct 11
What you say is absolutely true as regarding setting a bench mark. I agree that I and even my daughters are , at least sub consciously bound to look for similar qualities in our partners, which may or may not be very practical since people are different. Each has his own positive and negative qualities and it is best to accept them as they are as far as possible...
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@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
14 Oct 11
Not exactly. For couples who both earn , they should see to it that the respect is there for one another. The woman should not take it as she's superior if she earns much than her husband. The husband being the head of the family, should always be observed. They should see to it that amidst their busyness at work, they should take time to be with their children when night time comes and on weekends. Though there may be helpers at home to tend to the children, they should see to it that they are able to serve the children as parents are expected to do. There should always ensure quality bonding time for everybody. Thus, they are both earning, yet they are happy.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Oct 11
I totally agree thta mutual respect and love is the key to success. whta is the point if a person is being able to earn well , but treats a partner with contempt? THis more pronounced when a person with less skills disrespects a partner. People are made in different ways and such incompatibility ultimatley ends in doom for harmony in the family.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
17 Oct 11
What ou say is a sensible approach; normally this is accepted more when a woman is the one sitting at home and doing a freelance thing but if it is a man he is generally disrespected in family circles; ultimately, money and skills fetch respect for a person.
@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
17 Oct 11
Just because your partner cannot find a job, doesn't mean that you will treat him/her less. If one cannot find a job, then he/she should take care of the house and maybe find other means such as online job, just so he/she can contribute to the expenses.
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@surekharathi (14146)
• India
14 Oct 11
No friend I not think if both husband and wife are working then better happiness because direct effect on their children or life because if they have no children then they have no time for thinking about children and if they have children then they have no time for their children. But if both are understandable and manageable person then they can manager everything and live happy life. Otherwise the one reason of divorce is this is also.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
So, you are also of the same opinion as elix. As you have pointed out, this does not ensure marital happiness. But there are couples who have children, a good understanding and marital happiness. They must have GOd's grace for this to happen like that and there must be plenty of mutual effort.
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@gelayagui98 (1336)
• Australia
15 Oct 11
Hi kalav my friend, I do not know if I agree with you because based on my personal experience, i was once a bank employee worked in the bank for more than a decade but I sacrificed my started blooming position because of family reason.... now i realized that however successful you are in your field/career there were times you have to choose between your successful career versus family and i choose the latter and now I was bank cashier turned to all around nanny for 7 years now sometimes if i learned from my colleagues that they promoted now in managerial position i could not help myself envious but if i think of my children my envious vanished because i am happy being with my children all the time the only sacrificial i did nowadays is being away with my husband but if God's permit just a couple of months he is coming home so i am looking forward on that day! i believed that in life... there's no such total happiness! have a pleasant day to all mylotters!
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 Oct 11
Could your parents or parents-in-law not help you with your children? My sisterinlaw was also in a bank ; her children were looked after by grandparents.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 Oct 11
Ok! health is definitely more important than anything else; there can be no career and in fact life itself would be a misery with ill health.javascript:__doPostBack('ctl00$cphMainContent$lbStart','')
• Australia
20 Oct 11
Hello again kalav, there's no problem with my parents and parent-in-law's support, they are very supportive, the main reason why I resigned from my job was, because i have risky pregnancy. My life was at risk every time I got pregnant and i almost die. so I had sacrificed my blooming career in exchange of building a happy family and nothing to regret about it.
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@sjvg1976 (41131)
• Delhi, India
14 Oct 11
Hello Kalav, I don't think we can buy happiness by money. Its not necessary if both husband and wife do job then its necessary they will happier than those who don't do. I have seen much spoiled relationships when both of them do it as there is always a stressed envinoment at home because they could not give time to kids,household works so they often blame each other for not doing it and hence making relations bitter. No doubt if everything could be bought from money then they may be more happy than those who have single person doing job in the family.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
I totally agree with you. In our country it was only one earner a few decades ago but nowadays both earn; when there is space and a right attitude to money and when desires are kept in check there is better harmony in the house.
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@naseemkum (1803)
• India
14 Oct 11
Happiness not lies in the matter of money before. But now its only changing the whole world. I hear some couples earning too much which is more enough for them. Sometimes women earns too much than her husband so some misunderstanding happens between them may be ego. Its upto their mind if they keeps money away then they can be good earning couple.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Oct 11
That last sentence said it all elicBxn. Marriage is something where both must work together. Even within couples, taking each other too much for granted and not giving respect embitters relationships.In our country, there was a traditional outlook and couples used to bear with each other earlier even for major issues. Nowadays , sadly, tolerance is on the decline.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
Money should not be part of the happiness of any couple. Mutual love is more sustaining and money can only make matters bitter especially w hen there is surplus and a peculiar attitude.
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@ElicBxn (63252)
• United States
15 Oct 11
I agree with kalav that money shouldn't be a part of what makes people happy, but as you say, it does. I don't think its so much that when they both make (or inherit) money that they don't like to feel beholden so if there is a problem they divorce. I used to do a job where I did data entry on children involved in suits and later on divorces as well. I remember hearing that a couple was having to sell their business because they were divorcing on the news and then I saw their information came across my desk. I think that there are several reasons for divorce, and only a few of them good reasons. I just think we HEAR about rich people because who CARES if a poor nobody divorces - except them and their children/families? I also think that people these days have no desire to work on a marriage to save it, at least not in the west.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
14 Oct 11
Hi Kala! Very Good discussion. You see even if a couple is earning handsomely and in millions, money alone can not ensure their happiness in life. Those who are employed in private sector are burdened with too much work that they just can not devote time to their families. MNCs and some good Public Sector Undertakings pay very high salary but they also exploit you to the fullest. I have observed those are my relatives who are in the Private sector or non Govt. sector, are always running here and there and they always complain that they are too busy for social interaction. They earn money at the cost of their peace and peaceful family life. In my view excess money just can not make a couple happy.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
14 Oct 11
Thank you Deepak! And you have also written a wonderful response.Many responses are so thoughtful and observant that I jsut read through them one by one before I started even replying. WHat you say is right; excess mney cannot make a couple happy; if all legitimate needs of the family are met and the couple have a healthy attitude to life then this ensures better happiness in the family. Private sectors are really demanding but if one needs a fulfilling career sacrifices have to be made. THere needs to be peace and happiness in the homefront with good understanding between couples. I thnk if there is good love , tolerance and bonding between a couple this will evolve over a period of time.
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
19 Oct 11
I agree with your views.
@kkanaka (886)
• Singapore
17 Oct 11
Even if both of them work still they can manage to take good care of their children, if they do everything under limit, dont overdo themselves. If they are not understandable, then even if the wife doesnt work there could be misunderstandings. So the number of divorces is not directly proportional to the number of couples working. But we cannot say this cannot be one of the reason, it also could be.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
17 Oct 11
Of course not; it only means there is an additional point to fight over. there are wives filing for divorce or husbands asking for it when the woman is at home.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
14 Feb 12
We had this situation in the US not so many years ago, and I would say that it can help or hurt depending upon the maturity of the couple and also, of course, on whether or not there are children. One woman I knew who was very good at her job turned down a promotion because her husband did not want her to earn more money than he earned. She made a terrible mistake in doing that because then her husband lost his job and had she taken the promotion she would have made enough money to support both of them while he was looking for other work. I think that personally my marriage was greatly improved by the fact that my career was as satisfying as his. Knowing that I was capable of earning as much as him made me more confident.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
22 Mar 12
Money does add to a person's confidence and as long as there is a balance in attitude and proper sense of values, there would be a sensible relationship.Ultimately, maturity levels and good sense prevail.Sorry for catching up late.
@marguicha (215908)
• Chile
25 Oct 11
Happiness has to do with many things and even though money is important, I don´t think it matters at all who earns it. Sometimes it is important that one of them is at home, maybe the one with less income; other times it is important that both earn wages if their jobs are not good. But I would say that each situatuion is different and what is important is the family as a whole.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
22 Mar 12
Family as a whole is very important.As long as a family has its basic expenses fulfilled, there should arise no problem. Only when there are undue demands then life gets difficult.
@marguicha (215908)
• Chile
22 Mar 12
I wish that more people went into marriage with their minds set on the family welfare and not in their own whim. We would have less divorces and you would not even have to ask the question in your post.
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• India
19 Oct 11
Kalaji Let me share my opinion, when both work, that does not necessarily ensure happiness in a family, though one can see jewelry, tv, all luxury items in such homes.. i have taught in colleges for more than 46 years, i know couples who worked under me both as lecturer or say one as lecturer and the better half in some other capacity.. Many of them quarreled , were not in peace, the basic point was 'both earned'; the husband had his ego, he is the boss, he won't help in house work etc.. the wife is adament, says she won't do cooking because she earns.. my daughter in laws, daughter are highly qualified, but they never joined job, money is not every thing kalyani worked as lecturer for few years, but left the job.. Thanks for sharing Best of luck. Professor
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
21 Oct 11
You have been blessed with a good wife and family Professor! Marriage is one of great adjustment and understanding and egoclashes are always difficult. Nowadays this problem is getting more severe. THankfully all the members of your family are quite supportive.
@globaldoc (858)
• Philippines
18 Oct 11
I do not see the connection to this. It is because if both are earning, the possibilities of having financial problems would be more relieved. However, happiness is not based on the money that they will earn.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 Oct 11
FInacial probles are not there but there can arise other problems too; when there is no finacial problem too there is an increase in the percentage of divorces these days. As someone had pointed out it is a question of expectations.