Snakes in Suits

Australia
October 26, 2011 1:09am CST
I've not yet read this work, but the summaries of it, particularly a one hour show on Australia's leading political commentary TV station, the ABC, have given me some idea. Babiak and Hare, the authors, have pointed out the number of corporate executives who would classify as psychopaths under normal psychological analysis. "Insincere, arrogant, untrustworthy, manipulative, insensitive to the thoughts and feelings of others, remorseless, shallow, meaning the person seems not to have feelings, is incapable of experiencing or understanding the feelings of others. Tends to blame others for things that go wrong, has low frustration tolerance and is therefore impatient with things. Erratic, unreliable, unfocused, and is selfish, parasitic, they take advantage of the goodwill of people they work with as well as the company itself." Their behaviour reminds me of predators, human predators preying on the rest of humanity, and I would suggest that much of contemporary commerce and politics is run by these psycopathic predators. They don't want the gap between the rich and the poor to decrease, because it is that gap which they have created and which they benefit from, both financially and psychologically. What mostly bothers me is the way the rabid right wingers in all walks of life, and we see many of them in this forum, defend these monsters and their policies, presumably because they share the psychology and are themselves inadequate psychopathic predators. The complete lack of compassion for or understanding of weakness, bad luck, or the accidents of birth that place so many people in an impossible position from which to rise gives them away. I'm putting this up for comment, and I expect to see not a few of these creatures here. Lash
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3 responses
• Canada
26 Oct 11
Agreeing with you is the easiest thing to do. Not simply because you're right; nor also because the topic is a deserving one. It's just that the sentiment of almost everyone who's not in the leagues of these people, is against them. To begin with, it's a favorite pastime to blame the rich and the powerful for being what they are; and for the plight of the less fortunate. And surely no one would want to even think of defending these people. (Should I say monsters?) So, the best thing is, join in the chorus. But I wouldn't be what I am if I didn't take the unpopular side in such discussions. I won't go out on a limb and actually try and defend them. But I do have to point out that these people wouldn't be where they are if they weren't what they are. That is to say, you can only get to their position if you are such a person. Or, conversely, it is only such people who can get to such positions of wealth and power. Another thing is, it's not only in the field of business and politics that you will find such people. In every position, and in every field, where someone has to be in a position of authority, you will find people of a similar nature. These will be the people who got to where they are because they were able to be such brutes. This comes down to having a sort of killer instinct. It is the same instinct that you are required to have if you're going to win at competitive sports. You basically have to be an animal; or to put it differently, you have to allow your savagery to come to the surface if you're going to win. This ugliness just happens to be more noticeable in public and powerful figures. Or should I say, it's just easier to notice, and point fingers (or cast stones) at public figures. It's a fact of life. And who'd do all the dirty work (the hatchet jobs) if we were all nice people? There, Lash. I've said it. You're a philosopher; you're not going to accept this without a fight. I know whatever you say will be worth hearing.
• Australia
26 Oct 11
Well actually you're not going to get a fight. I have to admit now that the topic was not well thought out, and you have really put your finger on the fallacy, as did the first response. Even the sports: I love watching various football codes, but much as I admire the skills and courage of many of the players, there are few I think I would want to know closely. But that said, I don't believe that all such successful and powerful people are necessarily within the psychopathic group, which the authors do point out is only a small part of the class. Necessary ruthlessness tempered by compassion is not psychopathic, but this I think is the hallmark of many powerful poeople. Lash
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• Australia
26 Oct 11
Now here I will debate the point. I am firmly planted in the nature side of the nature/environment debate. I believe we are born with attributes/personalities/natures that certain environmental factors can either complement or divert, but when puch comes to shove we will take the path those natures lead us to. Some will do precisely what you suggest, but others, even if occasionally compromised due to circumstances, will at least attempt to remain ethical. The more I think about this discussion, the more I wish I had composed it in the morning rather than late evening; perhaps it might have been a bit more coherent. Lash
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• Canada
26 Oct 11
Well said. It may be that many enter the fray with noble intentions. Some probably go into these fields with the purpose of cleaning out the refuse, and bringing some ethics into the work. But they find out, once they're into it, that merely to survive requires sacrificing many of their best intentions. It becomes a matter of trading favors to remain in power. And the timeworn cliche, power corrupts.... Soon it's a matter of kill or be killed. I think of it as an innocent person who is wrongly accused and convicted of a crime. The person is sent to prison, and comes out a hardened criminal. The environment of the prison, and the necessity to survive, changes the person. Karim
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
27 Oct 11
Interesting, there does seem to be more of these types around these days. Maybe because the corporations have made it possible. There have always been rich and poor and I believe there always will be but there seems to be an increase in the nasty kind of rich because corporations are the breeding ground of nasty. It is taught in seminars all around the world that you must be nasty to succeed. It is not the only way but it has become the work culture of big corporations. Any examination of history will find that wealth was possible without being a predator of other humans. There have always been human predators but only in modern day has this become the ideal to be asprired to. In the past wealth was usually inherited but it was possible for people to rise from the ranks of the poor and succeed. But then in the past they had a moral economy. That did not mean that there were no poor but it meant that the poor could buy basic food and goods at a price they could afford. It meant that people were forced to lower their prices just for the poor so that they did not starve through prices being too high. They knew that society needs its poor because they do important jobs that only the poor will do. They knew that you had to look after all people from all walks of life. Today the attitude is that the poor are useless and we would be better off without them. Very shortsighted attitude.
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• Australia
27 Oct 11
Karim, I am an anthropologist, and this concept of none starve unless all starve is a constant and common thread throughout most cultures and most of history. The development of Capitalism (read Weber particularly, "The Protestant Ethic") began to change all that in Europe; people until then were happy to work to live, but Capitalism, especially now it's gone "viral", changed that to living to work. Who on earth would be a lawyer in today's West, even if it makes you disgustingly wealthy? 80 hour weeks? Oh, by the way, Sharra and I sort of act as a team, being partners in real life and all. We gang up on the bad people lol. I wish I could work out the blasted spell checker here grrrr. Lash
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• Canada
27 Oct 11
Sharral and Lash, I must commend both of you for a truly enlightening discussion. And a healthy discussion, I must add. To add to what the two of you have been saying, I remember reading somewhere that in pre-Colonial India, though there were extremes of wealth and poverty, no poor worker ever starved, because their employers were responsible for their survival. Thus in difficult times, such as during droughts, the landowners fed the poor from their granaries. Thank you both. Karim
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
26 Oct 11
There are people like that all over the world. Some are dictators and some are in the White House. I thought Bush was all those and I think the current resident is all those too. I could find you at least 2 dozen in my own neighborhood who fit that and at least half of them are on welfare. None of what you wrote describes left, right, liberal or conservative. It doesn't even describe rich or poor. It just describes A holes and you can find them everywhere.
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• Australia
26 Oct 11
Oh I agree, it is not restricted to Right wingers, but it does seem to resonate a little more for them. And the small proportion of them who succeed have a disproportionate effect on the world around them. Lash
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