She has become enpowered!!

@celticeagle (159105)
Boise, Idaho
August 31, 2012 8:23pm CST
My grandson has ODD. He has anger outbursts that are very bad. He gets aggressive and takes it out on his mother. His mother has put up with and I have withstood it hoping that what we are learning weekly in family therapy will help at some point. I have seen my daughter come to me crying one time too many. I told her in July that if he hit her or abused her again I would call the police. He is going to be 10 October 24 and it is time he is made accountable by the police. That I could not withstand seeing her hurt by her own son anymore. So in July my daughter came upstairs crying. My grandson had hit her repeatedly until her leg was swallen and had a welt on it. It took the policeman about fifty minutes to get there. The policeman was nice and explained to my grandson about detention, respecting women especially his mother and that he is lucky this time. They have a program in my area for young kids so they don't get a record early on in life. He will be visited at school by a detective and he may or may not have to go to court and be subject to classes he will have to take, etc. So that was interesting but not what I felt he needed at all. The police have been called before because he refused to go to school and the cops are always nice to him and its a waste of time I think. So, time goes on and he is pretty good until one day in August when he got mad again and started hitting his mom with a broom. Ya, a broom. I was asleep. So, who should bet the strength and the where with all to actually call the police herself? My daughter!( I really never thought it would happen.) And this time the cop that came out was on the gang team and was very experienced with kids and the detention system. So he told my daughter at one point 'you have two choices. I can either take his away to detention today or we can scare him and I will hand cuff him. (YAAAA! Finally a cop with some sense!!)My daughter choice the latter. So the cop handcuffed my grandson. My grandson was scared and started to cry. And then the cop talked to him and explained that this is what it would be like, etc. It really seemed to do the trick because my grandson hasn't hit his mom again since! And when my daughter came up and told me after I woke up that she had called them and what had happened I was shocked. My mouth dropped. I really never thought she would have the nerve to do. But she had. I was so proud of her! SO the next time the police have to be called he will go to detention. He has been put on another medication that slows down his rambling thoughts and seems to be helping too. All together it has been a good few weeks. He is being alot better. What a relief! Any thoughts?
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• United States
3 Sep 12
Generally, one hears about ODD in terms of children who have ended up in the foster care system due to abuse. At least, that is how I came to be familiar with the disorder--my interest in the foster care system and adoption. Your daughter has to provide a consistent environment for her son, and he has to know that there are (reasonable) consequences for his actions. I'm glad that she is finding the power to stand up to him. Hopefully, she continues to exhibit that sort of strength.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
4 Sep 12
That is why we are in family therapist. There is alot more going on.
@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
5 Sep 12
No it certainly isn't and I am so happy to see the improvement my daughter has shown lately.
• United States
4 Sep 12
Given what I know about ODD, I figured that there was quite a bit going on there. I wish you and your daughter good luck. This is not an easy path to navigate.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
2 Sep 12
Yes, I have thoughts, but I wouldn't share the details here. I have seen this kind of behavior and wonder what has happened to your grandson that he is so violent. There are many different factors that can cause this and that is he was abused himself, not necessarily by his mother, could be a neighbor or classmate. If so, it also depends on the nature of the abuse, the more embarrassing, the less likely he will admit it..
@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
3 Sep 12
He has ODD. I think you need to read up on it. You will find a link on one of the other responses above. He was abused. He has ODD. And his mother wasn't making him accountable so he thought he could continue to get away with it. Read up on ODD.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
4 Sep 12
The meds that he is on slows down the rambling hyper thoughts and helps him to make better choices. The PSR and family therapist is teaching us as a family how to relate to him and teach him how to be a better person.
@cutepenguin (6431)
• Canada
1 Sep 12
I think it's good that the police finally managed to make him realize they were serious. It's hard, I think, because 10 is still pretty young, especially for someone who doesn't know your grandchild, to realize how serious the situation is. I hope this improvement lasts and things get better for your daughter and grandson.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
3 Sep 12
Things have improved. Long way to go but it is better. I am just so proud of her for doing things I never would have thought she would be able to do.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
6 Sep 12
Yes it is wonderful that with the meds, the touch love approach and the police your grandson is starting to calm down.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
6 Sep 12
Yes, it really is great! Instead of a fit everyday and agression on his mom he only has an outburst about every three or four days. It is great! So far.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Sep 12
Wow...I hope things are still going well. Sometimes it helps to show what can happen. I think you both did the right thing because as he gets older, you know, he will be harder to handle. Hopefully this incident will stick in his mind. It's hard to do the tough love thing sometimes but it can be for the best. Take care.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
14 Sep 12
It definitely is for the best. I just am so glad that this is the last kid I will have to do it with. It hurts my heart!
• United States
2 Sep 12
I'm so glad that your daughter finally had enough and called the cops herself. I hope he remembers to never treat his mom bad again. I miss you. Hope you are doing good.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
3 Sep 12
I am so proud of her. He is doing better and the new med that was added seems to really help. I miss you too! Why don't you email me?
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
1 Sep 12
Wow!! To think it tool this long for a cop to want to do something? What if they would have kept on waiting? Sometimes I think they think kids hitting their Mom is nothing until it becomes serious. Must be time something more is done, but Glad there was finally a cop who did something about it. I am sure this is something that he really needed and might have even woke him up some. Wishing you all the Best.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Sep 12
I was happy we did get a smart cop finally. But my daughter actually did the calling this time. I was so proud of her!
• United States
1 Sep 12
What is ODD? Is it a medical condition that can be helped with medication? I'm so sorry that your daughter (his mother) was hurt, but if the condition was something that can be helped by other means (ie, medication or therapy), why did no one intervene and help? But it sounds as if he was seriously frightened by the officer coming and speaking to him, which is good. Why didn't anyone think to do that before? I'm glad he is getting better-does the medication affect him in any way, like with his schoolwork? That must have been terribly traumatizing for your daughter!
@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Sep 12
ODD is Oppositional Defiance Disorder. Here is a link ODD is Oppositional Defiance Disorder. Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder You tell me why none of the other cops didn't scare him before. This cop that is working with the gangs in the area was the only one that did. The right medication slows down his rambling fast thought process and helps him to make better decisions. He knows better. It is very hard for my daughter to want to spend quality time with her son when he is hurting her like he does when she doesn't do what he wants her to do. With this new med added he has gotten alot better. Hope it lasts.
@AmbiePam (85541)
• United States
1 Sep 12
He's REALLY lucky he didn't grow up in my parent's house. I'm not going to say why because I get sick of the replies I get when I talk about it. But I'm really glad she let the police handcuff him. Because kids don't quit doing that if it isn't nipped in the bud. They just do it to their wives and girlfriends. Your poor daughter!
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Sep 12
I can only imagine and hate to do that. Yes, I have been wanted the police to be really stern with him and handcuff him or something every time they have had to come out. Not one of them would until this one that was on the gang squad. Finally one that had a clue. We have no men in the family. One the PSR is male. He needs to have one that will teach him some respect of women and his responsibilities. We are all women in the family. Poor kid!
@lynboobsy11 (11343)
• Philippines
1 Sep 12
Hi celticeagle, This is the first time I heard that a 10 year old can hit his mother that way. I never heard this one here in my country, maybe there is also the same only I never saw one. But I'm glad that it is almost control now since he has another medication that seems works best for him. I just hope he will be better on this medication so no more cops will call.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Sep 12
Maybe the ODD isn't seen as much in your country. With the right medication it has helped him alot.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
1 Sep 12
yOUR DAUGHTER SURE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT. i HOPE HER CALLING THE POLICE WILL MAKE A BELEIVER OUT OF HIM. She should have done it a long time ago. There is no excuse for him acting that way no matter what his problem is. I hope he continues to behave himself.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
1 Sep 12
I do too.
@natliegleb (5175)
• India
1 Sep 12
that is because she is being at the receiving end of injustice ,try to be calm and talk to her heart out and she will be a big relief to you once you share a nice rapport with her
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Sep 12
I have a nice rappore with her. It is her son that is the problem. The new med has helped alot.
@NailTech (6874)
• United States
1 Sep 12
I'm not famialir with the illness either but am saddened to know that he does these things to her due to it. I hope that he does get some sort of treatment as he will wind up in jail if he doesn't. I know he doesn't mean to abuse his mother but the disease is just taken control of him I guess. I hope to God he is cured now.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Sep 12
ODD is Oppositional Defiance Disorder. They live to argue and cause mayhem. Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder
• Philippines
1 Sep 12
When your daughter called the police and the police tried to scares your granson,thats what we called negative reinforcement.In this the child can realized what he is doing its not appropriate.And if the child tried to control himself when he become angry,and you praise the child for the positive behavior,thats what we called positive reinforcement.Also avoid the stimuli which makes your grandson angry.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
3 Sep 12
He is ODD. Part of that is getting angry. The medication is helping. Thanks for the response.
@GardenGerty (157563)
• United States
1 Sep 12
Years before I had kids old enough to be part of the program, one of the things that was part of a sixth grade class, probably a civics class or something like it was to be taken to the jail. I was a bus driver and took them. They even had them go inside the jail cell and shut the doors. It was supposed to give them an idea of what it would be like if they broke the laws and stuff as they were getting older. I am glad that something is having an effect for your grandson. Also proud of your daughter for beginning to stand up for herself.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
1 Sep 12
It is awful enough for ole gramma here to have to do it.