What Is "Democracy" Anyway? What Is "Government" For?

@mythociate (13822)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
October 28, 2012 4:55pm CST
As close as I can figure, 'Democracy' is "the power to choose whose directions you follow." But that's not what we live in today (in America), is it? If it were, then Oklahoma would cede from the United States---as every county in Oklahoma elected John McCain ITS President in 2008! 'Luckily' (I say because *I* voted for Obama) enough of the /other/ states voted for Obama to over-rule the Okies' decision on the matter! Good thing America's NOT a democracy! But I watched *-STAR WARS 3-* today (the one where the Republic became the Empire), and then *-STAR WARS 6-* (in which the Emperor was killed) and wondered 'What's the difference?' Sure, all 'the power' is vested in several-hundred people rather than just-one person. But how does that make any difference to people who didn't have power either way?
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@bestboy19 (5482)
• United States
29 Oct 12
A democracy is mob rule. That's why our Founding Fathers didn't want the United States to be a democracy but rather a republic.
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@mythociate (13822)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
29 Oct 12
A 'government of the people'---thus mistaken for a democracy (and the market/industry--the world where most of us live--is sort-of a democracy ... a monarchy ruled by those with the most currency). But what is the power of the government? Largely to be entrusted with the money we give back to them (with a bit of it being 'maintaining order') and/or to trust them to entrust the money to those of us who serve the best public purpose? Why start a war over it?
@Fatcat44 (1142)
• United States
29 Oct 12
bestboy, You are the only one who made sense in this whole discussion. A democracy i.e. Hanging party mob to hang a criminal. A Republic i.e. Sheriff stops the hanging party and says the criminal deserves a trial by his piers, and is innocent until proven guilty
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@mythociate (13822)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
29 Oct 12
... still a democracy: each of the people decide whether or not to tackle the sheriff and have the hanging anyway
• United States
29 Oct 12
It doesn't make that much difference. I believe the people and government have been separated since Nov 23, 1963. In a true Democracy , we the People would connect And rule over what gets done in government. But these days both parties of the government are more concerned in one upping the other side. And We The People do not even pay attention anymore. Think about it only 1/4 of the people are happy each election. Why? Only half of us even vote. And it depends on your age if you even care about what the politicians do. I used to get so upset until I figured out that Anyone can get Anything they want here in America, legal or illegal. My one cause that I would worry about is/was abortion. But then I thought , if people could get runaway slaves from the south to the north then we can get a woman to a safe abortion. So the suits here in D.C. can talk and Think they are ruling us but to Actually rule over a person , you Once have to get their attention!
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@mythociate (13822)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
29 Oct 12
They say 'ignorance of the law does not equal innocence,' and that's true; but "the only (law) that matters is this: what a man can do, and what a man can't do" ("Capt. Jack Sparrow," Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl). There is a little bit of discernment needed there, as some of 'the things you can do' add to the list of 'things you can't do' later on ... so it's best to trust that the "laws" that lawmakers write are best for you to follow (even if they seem to hinder more than help).
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• United States
29 Oct 12
I disagree. It really doesn't matter what law a person far away tries to make, if more people disagree , they will break it. Remember studying prohibition? More people Started drinking in those years when it was against the law! I know what is good for me , no stranger in the suit will Ever know that! So they can lie to get into Congress and then fight across the aisle and leave me along. Besides I don't have enough money to on their radar anyway!
• United States
29 Oct 12
Bullsh!t. The same pro lifers do not want women to have contraceptives and if a woman can't protect herself What do you think will happen. And sometimes it isn't the woman's desire . What about rape? Are you saying it was the woman's fault? She wanted it and now she has to pay? Really? That's what I'm talking about Abortions have been happening since G-d was a boy. the question is do you want it to be safe or not. But these people better be careful what they wish for.
• Philippines
29 Oct 12
Democracy is a type of government which people have freedom. Such as freedom of speech, freedom from suffrage and freedom of media. It is the kind of government ideal for the people. :)
@mythociate (13822)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
20 Nov 12
I have a thing or two I'd like to say directly to the President; are you saying I'm FREE to fly to Washington D.C. (or wherever he is), walk straight up to him and throw him to the ground where he can hear what I have to say? Or would the Secret Service have me 'tenderized like a side of beef' before I could even get within tossing-range?
• United States
29 Oct 12
Let me start by saying I'm rather amused by you're relating government to movies. If we look up democracy in the dictionary, we basically find that it is a government ruled by the people. Government is basically defined as the body that governs or rules. When people talk government or politics they often refer to those at the state level. We have a representative democracy, because for obvious reasons a direct democracy just won't work for a body governing hundreds of millions people spread out of over thousands of miles. When I think about it, I find out view of government ironic. When people talk about office politics, they rarely if ever stop to think that those exist because a business with employees is basically a type of government, usually a dictatorship. All organizations with more than a few people are basically governments, that have structures. If you notice clubs and often companies have presidents (representing the highest authority). Now in a club or organization, if we don't like the structure we can simply leave. However in a job and especially in a country, it isn't that simple. To compound the problem a country must represent a great diversity of people and interests, as opposed to something like PETA which specifically represents one interest common to all its members. The job of these governments is to create a social structure which is as beneficial to all members possible, at least in a democracy. So what's the difference between the Republic and the Empire? Not much really, and less to the person with little or no power. That's why there was a rebel alliance, which was essentially an opposing government. Once a government type structure was formed the alliance could easily carry out missions and resist the empire. This happens in the real world all the time, recent Libya is a good example. Government is more than just a ruling body. It's a social structure that allows people to more efficiently achieve a set of goals. In order for government to be effective and retain power it must do one of two things. Either provide incentives; protection, resources, freedom, etc., or it must rule by a fear, essentially the opposite of one ruling with incentives. Now the 2nd model almost always collapses. A democracy should always rule by incentive, though I can hardly find a truly good example of one that does.
@mythociate (13822)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
29 Oct 12
I can see how America is incentive-based: 'the power to move more money around' being the main incentive (as 'the ability to get more stuff' comes with more of that power).
@sjvenden27 (1851)
• United States
29 Oct 12
When this country was first created; our for fathers were getting away from the Queen.. She decided what was what.. No one really was able to speak out against her or tell her that she was wrong.. Without major conquences.. Yes it is true that it seems to the little man that we do not mean jack, we can not make a difference.. But if a group of the little man come together; they are recornized by the government.. Does it change the situation; usually not.. If we stop believing in our system regardless of how coruppt it may be.. It could become a lot worst.. No longer being able to speak our minds; to say this is wrong, or this is not right, that needs to change.. There are other countries were their citizens dont dare say those things.. If nothing else the idea of being a government run by the people for the people must stay alive and strong.. Physically as one person changing the big governement doesnt seem possible.. Sounds crazy actually.. Mentally as one person changing it seems possible; since mentally anything is possible.. If people stop dreaming for a better tommorrow; tommorrow will be dark and cold without hope.. Hope is the key..
@mythociate (13822)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
29 Oct 12
Not exactly. Hope is the fuel or the ignition fluid. Will & willpower is the key, turned by Action!
@burrito88 (2779)
• United States
29 Oct 12
In a Democracy everyone has an equal vote. They don't have a right to do what they want to. That's anarchy.
• Redlands, California
29 Oct 12
The problem is many people do want to do what ever they want. So I think many do not know what democracy is. People that can do whatever they want is where people get in trouble. If we do not have a solid societal structure telling is when we are misbehaving, then how do we know we are misbehaving? That's why corruption always leads to more corruption if no one stands up to the people that are being corrupt.