John Stossel's Newest Book "No They Can't" is Turning Out to be an Interesting

@Adoniah (7515)
United States
December 17, 2012 1:34pm CST
Read...It is the first book that makes reference to the actual NON-Green energy impact that electric cars have on the world. The powers that be seem to want us to think that electric cars are in a little bubble of their own and cause no pollution at all. It IS true that the ones that are strictly battery run make no exhaust, but they use a ton of energy to recharge their batteries. So, where does that electricity come from? Well that depends on where you live. Where I live, it is made mostly by burning coal. Other places use gas. I am not against using coal or gas, I just want the truth told. All engines use fossil fuels in some way, even all electric or those with gas assist. So tear this apart and make it interesting please...
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@urbandekay (18312)
18 Dec 12
I have been trying to draw attention to this for ages, what is more electric vehicles, like other cars use more energy in their manufacture than they do in their lifetime. Thus a real measure of their efficiency should involve not just energy used per mile but also energy used in manufacture and life expectancy. Now as my Land-Rover Defender has a body made of Aluminium and requires more hand assembly than other makes and because it has a life expectancy or up to 60 years or more, it is, I argue, as well as being the best production 4 by 4 by far and certainly the most iconic it is also the most environmentally friendly vehicle all the best, urban
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
18 Dec 12
I love Land Rovers...I wish that I could afford one. I had one years ago, but I gave it to my brother when I had to move.
@urbandekay (18312)
19 Dec 12
I guess they are expensive there, here there is an adequate supply, if not a surplus, of good used ones all the best, urban
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
18 Dec 12
Lots of great info in these responses, for instance, I wasn't aware of the rare earth materials you mention, being only available in China, THAT is interesting seeing as one of Obama's points for spending so much on 'green' was to not let China get ahead of us in the 'green' industries. The government needs to get out of moral issues like saving planet earth from SUVs. They need to allow private innovation and brain power solve the problem. Americans are well aware now enviromentally, and if the government wants to do something, make them better educated and let them LOOSE to solve the problems.
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Nice response...I want to be clear on one thing...China has the MOST Rare Earth materials, but not all...The US has none. Even China only has a tiny bit of rare earth...It should run out in about 20 years at the current consumption...SO, what do we do then?
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Go back to the abundance of fossil fuels we have here in America and cannot utilize? Is there no way to recycle these materials? I have to admit, I know very little about them.
@peavey (16856)
• United States
18 Dec 12
That sounds like a very good book. I like John Stossel; he isn't afraid to tackle anything, it seems. As to electric cars, I don't think they're a logical choice for several reasons. First, they cost too much. Secondly, where do you go when they need maintenance or repairs? Third, where does the electricity come from? There is a war on traditional sources, so do we get it from wind farms? Solar? Of course we know better. And fourth, they're built much too small for anything but one and two person households and only if those people never carry anything bigger than a handbag and maybe one sack of groceries. Fifth, their range is limited. It's not like a gasoline engine where you can buy gas almost anywhere. Where do you plug in if you have to drive further or more than you anticipated? What happens when the car is being charged and the school calls to tell you to come and get your child immediately? They would work for rich, single people who live in high rise apartments and never want to go anywhere other than work and shopping. But then those people could take public transportation.
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
18 Dec 12
The very worst part of the electric car is the batteries. The require Rare Earth materials that is basically only available in China. The Rare Earth materials are very limited on this earth...We will run out soon. China has the most and the US has NONE! China decided to limit the amount that the US can purchase and the price is astronomical. The biggest problem is, the grants for research for batteries are only given out to those working on this type of battery. No one therefore is researching batteries that do not use rare earth materials...So china can control all of our electric vehicles, machines, toys, cell phones...etc. This is very strange...
• Philippines
18 Dec 12
hmm. i wanted to read some books nowadays. i might consider this one. hmmmm. is there any soft copy for this/? thanks
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
18 Dec 12
I do not know if there is a paperback version as it just came out...Wait a while, and it will probably be printed in paperback or wait for used ones to come on amazon.com
• China
18 Dec 12
From your passage, I just find out we can avoid pollution in one way but not the other. Electric power can really decrease the pollution the gasoline created such as carbon dioxide. And you have stated one point that individuals have neglected the origin of the electricity. As you told, the electricity can be born from the coal. Assuming you got the right point, ultimately we still use the pollutant but in a different way, which will not change the enviromental problem worldwide. So if the electricty comes from the coal, is there any other kind of resources to take the place of the gasoline? Using hydrogen to start the engine used to be a very heated topic. However, we stop going forward for its extream instability. I imagine if we can make a subtance able to keep stable consistently as well as to creat the large mount of energy with no pollutant given out, that it will solve the problem. It really brings a big challenge to the scientific circle. Other than the environment problem, form your words I also find that we really have less consideration in the process of implemention.Sometimes we just work in a different way but get the same result eventually, which waste our energe completely. I suggest before we move on, each movement and piece of thought should be related directly or indirectly to our ultimate goal...Lol..
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
18 Dec 12
A cousin and I are looking into charging batteries for vehicles with solar only. We do not yet know if this is a workable idea for large vehicles, but this is what we wish to do.
@ElicBxn (60895)
• United States
18 Dec 12
Do we remember when water powered our mills? Wind pumped water and powered our ships? Of course we do, but now water provides a fraction of our electricity and that's a shame, really. No, I'm not prepared to give up my SUV, although, if I could afford a second car, I would get a small one for errands that don't involve 3 people or large shopping trips. Commute to work, doctor runs... that kind of stuff. While my SUV doesn't exactly scream "GET OUT OF MY WAY!" it does carry the cat food, cat litter, dog food and a shopping trip to the "big box store" for paper goods, and the like. I can put 5 people in it without too much discomfort and it has automatic transmission, power steering and air conditioning (not a luxury in Texas I'll add.) I know it takes more gas than a smaller car, but honestly, it doesn't do too badly, when its not loaded down with an additional 500 of stuff! I have a friend who has a Prius and she really doesn't get that much better mileage than I do.
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
18 Dec 12
I swear that when they do the mileage tests on most of those cars, they are going downhill with it in neutral. I like this idea of harnessing the power of the waves in the ocean...Years ago they wanted to harness the gulf stream, but the powers that be decided that it might shift the direction of the stream...This would be a catastrophe so all discussion of using the ocean wast dropped. But, now someone had tried again in a different way. I hope that it comes to fruition.
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@ShepherdSpy (8562)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
17 Dec 12
All cars,regardless of their energy source,have to be built from components that we need to drill for,Mine,or Harvest. In that sense,No car is any better than another from a manufacturing standpoint. Electric or hybrid cars just get to have a "Longer tailpipe" when they rely on fossil fuels for their source of power.While renewable energy from wind,Solar,or wave power is available,accessing it also takes technology,manufacturing and maintenance capacity.after that,though,the source is effectively unlimited.. While I like the idea that Electric cars have fewer mechanical issues,there are also fewer places able to maintain them,and as yet we still have that "range anxiety" issue that keeps them from becoming widespread,despite statistics saying most people only need a car for less than about a 20 mile trip each day..That,and the cost of buying one in the first place..
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
18 Dec 12
Points well made ShepherdSpy. Thank you.