You cannot feel pleasure till you feel pain.

@dpk262006 (58675)
Delhi, India
September 21, 2015 5:25am CST
Hello everyone. Recently I met a relative in a social gathering, who was blessed with a baby boy. She told me that her child is few months old and his vaccination has started. She further informed that now a days there are painless vaccines available in the hospitals. These vaccines do not cause any pain or fever and she has administered her baby painless vaccination. My immediate thought was – should a baby made to realize what is a physical pain or should he be administered painless vaccine (may be a kind of painless injection). My thought was – if he does not know what is pain, how could he know what is pleasure? May be now a days young parents are more protective of their child and don’t want their babies to suffer any kind of pain. I am of the opinion until and unless we get to feel (physical) pain, we just cannot realize what pleasure is because both are complementary to each other. What are your thoughts on it.
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@LadyDuck (458085)
• Switzerland
21 Sep 15
They have time to feel pain during life, there is no reason to start when they are so young, at least they appreciate the doctor instead to fear him.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
Yes, I agree that they may not feel scared a Doctor because if a kid feels pain during vaccination, next time he may feel scary going to a Doctor.
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@Jlyn10 (11966)
• Malaysia
21 Sep 15
There are so many diseases these days and I think it is good to have the baby's well-being taken care of. Of course babies do feel pain. If not, then why would they cry? And they get pleasure when their tummy is filled with mummy's milk and they are no more hungry.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
So if you have a choice, you will go for painless pleasure for your kids?
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
24 Sep 15
@Jlyn10 - Many of the babies cry when they are pricked, which shows that they feel pain.
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@Jlyn10 (11966)
• Malaysia
22 Sep 15
@dpk262006 I don't think there is any painless pleasure. Even a paper cut can make us feel the pain. How do you expect a baby not to feel pain when a needle is being poked into its body? Nobody actually knows if a baby doesn't feel any pain cause they can't tell you, can they?
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@celticeagle (159008)
• Boise, Idaho
22 Sep 15
I think we need to experience a bit of pain to appreciate pleasure.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
@celticeagle - You got the point, which I was trying to make.
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@celticeagle (159008)
• Boise, Idaho
22 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Yeah, we have to know the other side of the spectrum. I wish more would do that in life.
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• United States
23 Sep 15
I hate that is has to be that way but unfortunately we wouldn't know pleasure without experiencing pain. pain is also our bodies way of telling us something's wrong
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• United States
21 Sep 15
They don't feel pain - that is until they do feel it the first time then they remember.
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@Butchcass4 (5895)
• United States
21 Sep 15
I don't know what I think about this subject as I suffered for years with neck pain and after 4 neck surgeries I suffered tremendously. God stepped in and as I was worshipping Him He touched me with a warmth that went through my body and the pain stopped. I am so grateful to Him. Thank You Jesus for it is by Your stripes I am healed.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
I can understand that you had to suffer a lot of pain and by the grace of God, you are better now. I hope now you could very well understand the difference between pain and pleasure and you value each pleasant moment of your life as a precious moment.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
24 Sep 15
@Butchcass4 - May God give you more strength to bear the pain, if it unfortunately occurs. I hope more you participate here, more you will earn here. Best of Luck.
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• United States
23 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Oh I definitely understand the difference between pain and pleasure. I have back pain sometimes and have to pray and ask God to help me and He always does. It's the only way I can do myLot and Bubblews. I have to earn at least a dollar a month to keep my medical insurance so this is the perfect job for me. I am not under pressure to earn a certain amount by the Grace of God. Thanks for your comment I appreciate it.
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@Shyamalaa (525)
• Udaipur, India
21 Sep 15
Do not worry! The baby will get plenty of opportunities to get pain. He has a long way to go in this world, which cant all be painless! But yes. Parents are indeed getting over-protective these days since a lot of them are single child families
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
21 Sep 15
Yes, so true that baby might get more opportunities in life to feel the pain. Parents getting over protective could turn out to be counter-productive, in my view. Thanks for sharing your views.
@Marcyaz (35316)
• United States
21 Sep 15
Children are always falling down and skinning their knees and make them cry so pain is in their life then when mama gives the bo bo a big old kiss and makes it feel better they feel the pleasure.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
@Marcyaz - Yes, true when kids fall, big hug of their Mama gives them comfort.
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@Marcyaz (35316)
• United States
21 Sep 15
I had never before thought of it in just that way but it does make sense if you don't feel pain how would you know what pleasure is.. Very good post.
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@Marcyaz (35316)
• United States
22 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Your Welcome and a very good post it is.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
24 Sep 15
@Marcyaz - Many thanks for your kind words about the post.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
@Marcyaz - Thanks a lot for understanding crux of the post. There cannot be realization of pleasure till one has suffered pain.
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
21 Sep 15
No, I do not agree with you. Absorbing excessive pain makes a person sadistic, or wild. There is enough mental stress at all stages of life. A child feels something but cannot express, and as grown ups, we feel something but we are not supposed to express, even if we know the words for expressing. I would rather keep pain to a minimal level. I know that the child learns rapidly till he or she reaches age 5 or so. I would rather the pain not be registered in his or her mind since he or she does not have to face that pain ever in life. Why bother? It is not as if we are administering some narcotic to bring down the pain. Funnily, the child's brain will record the pain, while many other things will be wiped out and re-rolled like the dough used to make "parathas". Why waste his learning abilities on something that will not serve any purpose?
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
21 Sep 15
So you believe that painless vaccination is good for babies? You see even normal vaccination is okay, it does not traumatized as such. Even if painless vaccination is recommended, a kid will come across many situations in life that he will have to bear pain. Life cannot move ahead without feeling pain. It is part and parcel of life.
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
21 Sep 15
@dpk262006 ..True kids suffer some trauma or the other. Having said that, why add to what is natural?
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@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
23 Sep 15
Oh is there a painless vaccination already ? Wow, that's nice . No one likes their baby to feel pain at all . However , as they grow they will pain some natural pains which will help them to be stronger in life . But meanwhile that they are still babies , then it's okay that they don't feel those vaccinations given them .
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
24 Sep 15
You are of the view that painless vaccination should be administered to babies and there will be many other opportunities in life to feel pain for them. Thanks for sharing.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
30 Sep 15
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@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
24 Sep 15
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• Indonesia
21 Sep 15
Parent always want the best for the kids and they try to protect them as well. But I just heard about this kind of vaccination. What about the side effect? I think fever or uncomfortable of pain for injection is just common reaction to baby's body. Parent should not worry too much. It's not pain like it was too hurtful.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
It is true that every parent want best for his kid(s). Yes, I agree normal vaccination may cause slight pain, which goes away in a day or two and in some cases fever may occur. Parents should it take it on their stride. I am not aware about the side effects of painless vaccination, if any, but I understand that it is safe.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
26 Sep 15
@redvakaurvaki - I think painless vaccination is going to be hit with the parents. You could observe from the responses that most of the friends here are in favour of painless vaccination and to my mind new parents will opt for it.
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• Indonesia
26 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Hopefully it has no side effect. Perhaps in the future painless vaccination will be more popular. I myself personally will be okay if the vaccination hurts a bit, as long as it doesn't go worse and it's for good purpose
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• United States
21 Sep 15
I wish there were no such thing as pain for us humans, but there is dpk, and it is part of life.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
21 Sep 15
Yes, what you said would every body will wish. But importance of pleasure increases if one knows about pain.
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• United States
21 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Indeed dear dpk. When pain occurs, we can be so relieved when it stops and appreciate the good pleasure.
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• India
21 Sep 15
"I wish there were no such thing as pain for us humans, but there is dpk..." Isn't it interesting to read?
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• Cagayan, Philippines
22 Sep 15
I agree that a person would not be able to fully experience pleasure if he or she has not experienced pain, for how could they differentiate one from the other? In an average person's lifetime, there are numerous chances of feeling pain and pleasure. However, I don't think that babies should be made to feel pain when they could have injections that are painless. When they grow up, they will have more than their share of pains..maybe much more than they could handle. Hence, if there is a painless way of administering the mandatory health tests and injections that babies need to undergo, then opt for it. Reserve the moment of letting them feel pain from pleasure at later stages in their life. Anyway, as babies they may feel pain but they will not be able to discern the difference between pain and pleasure at such stage..
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
@novelmaker - Hello and welcome to mylot. Thanks for agreeing that for experience pleasure one need to understand the difference between pain and pleasure. You are of the view that if babies could be spared of pain and they could be administered painless vaccination, it is a bring idea. Your point has been noted that there would be many more occasions, when children will suffer pain so let it be. Are you sure that a baby cannot discern the difference between pain and pleasure? Thanks for joining us and sharing your candid views.
@cahaya1983 (11121)
• Malaysia
21 Sep 15
The vaccinations given to the baby might cause them pain at that particular moment, but I think it's still at a tolerable level. It's not the kind of pain that traumatizes most babies until they grow older, at least to my knowledge. So I don't think it's a problem.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
Yes, normal vaccine cause slight pain which is bearable for babies. But some of the babies cannot even feel that pain and they feel scared when next time their mothers take them to Doctors.
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• United States
23 Sep 15
I remember my children's shot experiences at first they would cry and then I would make funny noise's and a funny face and it was all over.
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@cahaya1983 (11121)
• Malaysia
23 Sep 15
@dpk262006 I suppose babies in general aren't too fond of the needle.
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@ria1606roy (2797)
• Kolkata, India
26 Sep 15
I don't think there is such a thing called painless vaccination, for starters. Some vaccines cause pain, some doesn't, and we all have it. And delving more into the subject, yes physical pain is complementary to pleasure. Without pain, we cannot appreciate what is good for our body. With pain, there comes understanding and patience, and we don't desire for excess pleasure because we know what we are getting is enough and just. Nowadays parents have become protective of their children, sure, but at some point they will be on their own. Maybe a little late, but they will learn for sure that pain and pleasure goes hand in hand. Those people who don't ever perceive that, they are unable to understand unfortunately the gift of life itself.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
26 Sep 15
@ria1606roy I am sorry to hear that you broke your hand. I am sure now you are back to normal. Yes ,you are right we only realise importance of something when either we don't have it or we lose it. It is always better to take care of ourbody because each and every part of our body is important but priceless. What God has provided us naturally can't be replaced artificially. We really are blessed that God has given us many body parts in pairs.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
26 Sep 15
One of the best responses, I must say. So to your knowledge there are very few painless vaccination. Yes, you are very right that pain and pleasure are complementary to each other. One can't enjoy pleasure till he knows what is pain. We all have to go through physical pain in various phases of our life and you are right bearing pain teaches us to be more patients.
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• Kolkata, India
26 Sep 15
@dpk262006 I broke my hand a few months back, you know. Then had to endure all kinds of crap for a month with that hand, and it was then that I realised I wasn't very careful with my body. That incident has taught me to be observant and careful whatever I do and wherever I go. And I can now see how I'm blessed with two fully functional hands, doing anything without even one is just unthinkable, and I've stopped taking my full health as granted.
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@rusty2rusty (6751)
• Defiance, Ohio
22 Sep 15
I disagree. I think the more pain one feels, the more depressed or mental a person can become. I do not think one must feel pain to enjoy pleasure.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
@rusty2rusty - If you say that you do not like pain and it could make one feel depressed, how will you differentiate between pain and pleasure? Also, can you escape pain in life?
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
30 Sep 15
If physical pain can be minimised with no side effect and if the vaccine is going to be as effective as it was earlier , I don't think it is a big issue Deepak. Irrespective of these vaccinations and inoculations, the baby is likely to feel some sort of pain or the other now and also as he grows up. CHldren will fall and get themselves bruised. Actually it will start much earlier too; which baby has not knocked his head while crawling?[start to crawl] .Only if the parents get too protective and walk around holding a hand under the baby's head with baby not being allowed to crawl and walk/move it would be a bit fussy and awkward. It would also prevent the baby's natural inclination. This injection is something external. As an adult, imagine your dentist giving you a painless anaesthetic and and a painful anaesthetic --what would you prefer? We would naturally go for the former isn't it? So, preventing pain is not possible in this life and the baby would experience it irrespective of the current vaccination.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
30 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Yes Deepak! And poor little babies can't express their preferences .
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
30 Sep 15
You are of the view that painless vaccination is a good option to go for and a baby will get many chances where he will get to know what is pain. Yes, you are right that when babies crawl and when they start walking, they hit their head on floor/fall down and they gradually start realizing what is pain. Yes, if my dentist is going to offer me painless anesthesia, I would go for that, who wants to bear the pain. Thanks for sharing.
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• Preston, England
30 Sep 15
painless should be the choice when possible - we cannot get through life without facing pain at some point but that is no reason to inflict it on purpose.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
30 Sep 15
Point taken that you are of the view that if painless vaccination is available, it should be administered to kids.
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• Guangzhou, China
22 Sep 15
i am not a mother yet. But i really can understand as parent, they usually do not want their children Bear the pain. In my country is more obvious than some western country, althoug their children became a handsome boy or beautiful girl, thier parents will always do lost of things for them. All of this just because they do not want the children have a rough time. It is difficult to points right or wrong,
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
No parent wants to see his kids in pain. However, pain is part of life and one has to bear it, whether he likes it or not.
@writerjo (2544)
• Chennai, India
22 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Every child feels the pain , thats why the painless vaccination launched .. and have been implemented , suggested by medical officers . Plessure is nothing but feeling good
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
24 Sep 15
@writerjo - I did not say it is not a good option.
@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
24 Sep 15
So you feel that painless vaccination is a good option.
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@writerjo (2544)
• Chennai, India
24 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Yes that is one's option to select .. I don't know why you say it is not good
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• Kollam, India
22 Sep 15
To feel pleasure we should have already felt pain. Only pain brings great happiness, otherwise happiness is only a small positive feeling.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
22 Sep 15
So you believe that without experiencing pain, one cannot feel what is pleasure for him?
• Kollam, India
25 Sep 15
@dpk262006 Yes sure. I believe a happiness after a long pain is so sweet.