Would you sign a petition to save... rats ?

@topffer (33147)
France
December 21, 2016 5:02am CST
I find today an online petition to save the rats of the Champ-de-Mars. The Champ-de-Mars is the large park starting at the feet of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. So, what is the problem ? Since a few months there are rats in this public garden and the city of Paris has decided on December 8th to close the park for 2 weeks to kill the rats. This petition was put online on December 10th and is called "Stop the genocide of the rats" Maybe the word "genocide" is a bit strong for rats, but it sets the pace of this long text. I cannot resist to translate a few lines : [i]"The phobia of rats (and probably of its tail, put to a rat a pretty plume tail and we have a squirrel that we love), the phobia of rats then, is a social phobia like the phobia of spiders and we kill mercilessly these unfortunate pointed by the society, in need of scapegoats, to be eradicated. We see today treated the same way, pollution which is killing thousands of human beings (...) and rats, who are killing nobody. (...) I am a pedo-psychologist and horrified by man's cruelty. It is backfiring on him, for we pertain a day to the genocide group. For ISIS, it's clear, we are the ones to e rat dicate. Open the eyes and stop this gross operation and a bad example for children." [/i] Guess what ? This petition has already received more than 21 000 signatures. Reading a few comments, I learned how rats are smart, and that we should better distribute them contraceptive pills. I have no phobia for rats, but if I had rats at home I would kill them mercilessly if the cat was not doing it, and I understand that the city of Paris wants to do the same in a touristic place like the Eiffel Tower. What is your opinion about protecting rats ? Picture : Photographic montage by me showing the Champ-de-Mars during the Paris world's fair in 1900.
Animaux - Signez la pétition : Stoppez le génocide des rats.
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@LadyDuck (146740)
• Switzerland
21 Dec 16
Mice are cute, rats not so much, but they are both smart animals. Rats bring plenty of diseases, it is not true that they do not kill people. I propose to send 10 rats to each one of those who signed the petition. They want the rats alive, well, they have to take care of them.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
Due to the success of this petition, the city will not have a rat for any signer. Many signers have pet rats, but a domestic white rat is not a wild rat, and I think that they would not be satisfied with their new pets. They can bring diseases, but there is no disease known in Paris actually that a rat can bring. It would perhaps change if the city was letting their number increase instead of killing them times to times.
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@LadyDuck (146740)
• Switzerland
21 Dec 16
@topffer Parisians are lucky that there is no known disease in Paris actually. Wild rats can seriously bite, people have experienced nerve damage from a bite to their fingers.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
@LadyDuck I have learned long ago that a rat can bite. When I was a kid I saw one eating something on the pavement a morning when I was going to school. I put a foot near it to frighten it, and it jumped to bite my shoe. The more afraid of us was not the rat.
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@youless (90009)
• Guangzhou, China
22 Dec 16
I learned this news but I thought it was a fake. But now I realize it is true. It is unbelievable. I don't know what to say. But I will not sign on it. I don't like rats at all and I am very scared of them. They also look horrible and ugly in my opinion. They also spread the virus. Sorry, they are not adorable creatures for me and I don't protect them.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
22 Dec 16
Many signers are owning pet rats, and perhaps they do not realize that these wild rats are not pets. There is actually no disease in Paris that can carry a rat, but it is not a reason to let their population increase, and I do not think that many tourists are happy to see rats near the Eiffel Tower. It these people want to adopt these rats and take care of them, the city can capture the rats instead of killing them.
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@youless (90009)
• Guangzhou, China
22 Dec 16
@topffer In fact I don't understand why some people will have the animals like snakes, rats, lizards etc as the pets. They are not cute animals to me
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@topffer (33147)
• France
22 Dec 16
@youless I do not contest them the right to have the pets they want, but they should not annoy the city when they want to kill rats in a park. If it continues, tomorrow they will start a petition against cats.
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@crossbones27 (18546)
• Redlands, California
21 Dec 16
Actually will not sign any petitions soon. They all fail. Samantha Bee or what ever her name crew did a little study and found all liberal studies fail. The last petition I signed was good it worked. Bill Maher got an answer and ended up interviewing the president. I am no liberal but tend to lean towards their side more. Seems like common sense actually, but conservatives beat them every time. .Moral of the story is facts do not matter anymore. Mindsets only thing that does. Change of mindsets needed, only if world falls apart. That is pretty much the only thing that is going to change minds. People are set in this we our out for ourselves mindset.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
I would not sign for rats, but I have signed a few petitions to keep historical buildings that would have been destroyed without these petitions, so they work sometimes. We have also now "European initiatives", they are kind of petitions, and if they receive more than 1 million signers dispatched in at least 10 countries, they are discussed by the European Parliament. The first one was to give a right to water to any citizen, and since it we have had a law in my country to forbid to water companies to cut water if they are not paid by people in need. It is a positive result coming from a petition. Mindsets are changing without the fall of the world. I do not think that a petition for rats would have had such a number of signers 20 years ago.
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• Redlands, California
21 Dec 16
@topffer I wish were more reasonable people here like that. Good for you guys and hope it catches on .
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
@crossbones27 There is only an average 2 European Initiatives submitted to the Parliament every year, and they are not forced to follow them, but it is good when something coming from the citizens is discussed by the politicians. Any petition can play a role I think.
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• United States
24 Dec 16
@topffer ABSOLUTELY NOT! I have not fear of Rats but have a concern for these people and suggest that they be given what is carried by the rats! (See Below).
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@topffer (33147)
• France
24 Dec 16
For what I read there is no disease in Paris actually that is carried by rats, but it would perhaps change if their population was more important. These rat lovers can take care of these rats if they want. I see that this petition receives 1000 signatures/day, it is probably a lot more than the number of rats near the Eiffel Tower.
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@marguicha (90197)
• Chile
22 Dec 16
It seems that just as human stupidity has no limits, it also has a lot of followers. Rats are dangerous as they carry lots of infections. And I´m sure that, if left alone, they could destroy the Champ-de-Mars in a few months. It´s a pity that the web can be used for this.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
22 Dec 16
I tend to respect any opinion but this petition is extreme, and what is surprising is that it is a successful petition. They tell that there is no disease in Paris actually that can be carried by a rat, but I think that it could change if the population of rats was increasing too much. They can cause a lot of damage in a garden, and it would increase the maintenance cost for the city.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
22 Dec 16
@marguicha It was a documentary or a fiction ? It looks unbelievable. I have only had mice in the past, and I got rid of them before they had eaten the full house. I would not like to have any rodent invading my home. I do not think it can happen, as my cat is a good hunter, too good when it comes to birds.
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@marguicha (90197)
• Chile
22 Dec 16
@topffer It was a documentary. That´s what made it so horrible. The rats were big as they were those gray country rats.
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• Pamplona, Spain
21 Dec 16
Rats. I would not like to kill them but I would not want them around me either they make me shudder. Some of them here are the size of big Rabbits. Difficult for me that one as I would not want to see them die but at the same time for our health and well being hmm. I would not sign to save them unless they were planning to kill them in a really bad way. I have seen Pigeons die in the Street as they had poisoned them. There has to be a better solution at least I think so but not sure what. Have been through Paris many times and its always so clean too never seen a Rat as such.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
23 Dec 16
Rats are rarely outdoors during the day, people were viewing them at sunset and during the night on the Champ-de-Mars. They put poisoned food in their tunnels and are closing the issues for what I read. Here pigeons are sedated and moved elsewhere, they are only killed by accident if they decide to sleep on a street.
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• Pamplona, Spain
23 Dec 16
@topffer What if they found a way for them not to be able to be on rubbish tips and easy to get at food and make some kind of birth control system where they could not breed so quickly. That way they would not be killed or have to be. The worst thing I find here is that they are trying to get rid of the Storks much the same way. However volunteers have taken their nests away and put them in other safe places thank goodness for a bit of sanity.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
23 Dec 16
@lovinangelsinstead21 Storks? Everyone would be happy to have a stork nest at the top of a chimney in France, Spanish people are a bit crazy. It reminds me a good memory. I rented a house in the countryside in the 80's, and a couple of chickadees decided to install their nest in my mailbox. The mailman stopped to put mail in it, they opened the box to took a photo of the nest with the babies chickadees and... the photo of my mailbox was in a post office calendar the year after.
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@much2say (38680)
• United States
25 Jan 17
Somehow the animation "Ratatouille" comes to mind . Where is the Pied Piper when you need him? I just don't know . . . I would be alarmed if there was an infestation of disease carrying rats around. Just how many rats are they talking about? I understand the whole save-the-animals crusade - I get that, I really do . . . but if it's matter of public health safety, then I'd have to say "something" has to be controlled before it gets out if control.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
25 Jan 17
I cannot tell anything about the number ; I have looked again and it has not been given. They have been killed by the city during Christmas school holidays. Many people having signed this petition have pet rats, and they do not realize that wild rats are different. I read that there was not a disease in Paris actually that could be carried by rats, but it is not a reason to let them proliferate in public parks and gardens. I love animals, but I except rats and mice, and I and my cat would not admit them at home.
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@much2say (38680)
• United States
28 Jan 17
@topffer Well then instead of killing them, perhaps those who are petitioning should start an adopt-a-rat program. Let's see how their domesticated pet rats enjoy their new wild rat family members .
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@topffer (33147)
• France
28 Jan 17
@much2say I thought at this also. They should have captured those rats as well. Hurry up, there will not be a rat for any signer.
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@Corbin5 (99600)
• United States
21 Dec 16
My personal response that works for me, and perhaps for me only, but I am good with it: The reasons you kindly translated for us from the petition for saving the rats are a bit odd, but I would sign the petition. Heck, I have been a vegetarian for decades, no meat or fish, and I do not kill spiders, and I always carry them outside after grasping them gently with a paper towel. Killing or torturing innocent creatures sends a lousy message to kids, so kill if you must, but there will be some pretty messed up kids who grow up to foist their messed-up minds on humans. By killing the rats, animal cruelty is condoned. Respect for innocent creatures is diminished. Heck, there is so much animal cruelty in this world today, no wonder we are in a big fat mess. Well, there, this works only for me, and I respect all who do not feel the same as I do.
List of serial killers who have abused animals. Often when people try to discover what makes an unrepentant serial killer tick, they look at their childhoods. Were there any indications that they could turn into murderers? One of the biggest indications th
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
I usually do not kill any animal. I also do not kill spiders. We have a quite big spider in France, Tegenarius is the Latin name, that can be big like a hand and is completely harmless for humans and very shy. I learned from my mother that they could be interesting pets : if you speak to them, they finally recognize your voice, you can give them a name and they come to say hello when you call them. I had one behind a heater in my previous house and we were friends. I never had rats at home, only mice, and the cats were the executioners. I bought traps only once, because the cat I had at this time was not interested by mice : one day that he was on my laps, looking at a mouse eating in his plate, I knew that I was needing to buy mice traps. Like I said I would not hesitate to kill rats if the cat was not doing the job. Rats are not our friends, Einstein said that if rats were weighting 20 kg, there would be no more human beings. I am very peaceful and I respect quite all animals, except dangerous ones, among them rats and venomous snakes. Rats can bring a lot of diseases and they do not hesitate to bite. As long as rats and snakes are not coming in my home, they are free to do whatever they want if you ask me. But I do not want them in my home ; if I was capturing them to put them in the nature, they would be a pest for someone else, so I will not capture rats if I have some in the future... This said I respect your opinion, although I am not convinced that killing rats in your home is sending a lousy message to kids.
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@Corbin5 (99600)
• United States
21 Dec 16
@topffer Perhaps an uninhabited island surrounded by water would be just right for rat relocation. I did watch the goings on in several science classes in which the students learned little during the dissection process due to mostly tossing the animal or insect parts at each other. The video below definitely shows disrespect for once-living things, and it is a sad thing that what was done in this video is not an isolated event in science labs in schools.
PETA has obtained a disturbing video that was apparently filmed at Oklahoma City's top-ranked Harding Charter Preparatory High School. The footage depicts he...
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
@Corbin5 I remember to have dissected a mouse and a frog in high school. Medical students also often do not show respect for human cadavers, but maybe they need to act like this. I do not think that I would be able to dissect a human, and I can understand that they need to laugh, would it be only to keep their poise. It is not an excuse, but it is human nature.
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@TheHorse (62026)
• Pleasant Hill, California
23 Dec 16
Your photograph made me laugh out loud. No, I would not sign the petition. But then, I rarely sign petitions. I have no issue with rats, unless they're living in my ceiling, which they were at my previous residence.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
23 Dec 16
I feel the same about rats : I have nothing against them as long as they are not in my home. Instead of killing them, the city can capture them and distribute them to rat lovers if they want to take care of them.
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@JohnRoberts (51910)
• Los Angeles, California
21 Dec 16
Rats carry disease such as malaria, will attack, are destructive. They are vermin.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
I would not like to have rats at home and I hardly understand how these people can defend them. There is actually no disease in Paris that can be carried by rats, but the risk would increase if the city was not killing them times to times.
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@JohnRoberts (51910)
• Los Angeles, California
21 Dec 16
@topffer Rats carried the plague in the old days.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
@JohnRoberts I thought at it when I read this petition. Some animal lovers are always ready to defend any pest.
@Platespinner (16532)
• Winston Salem, North Carolina
21 Dec 16
Do they not understand that rats carry and transmit disease...and that occasionally the result has been pretty devastating for human populations? As for the comparison to squirrels...I'm not much fond of the fluffy tailed rodents either and don't have any problem with my cat hunting them and devouring them with gusto when he catches one. I guess it would be safe to assume that I would not be signing that petition!
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
I put the link to show that it is a real petition, but I do not think that I am encouraging to sign it. My cat would disapprove that. I read in the petition, which is very long, that there is actually no disease in Paris that can be carried by a rat, but I do not think that it is a good reason to let their population increase until we get the pest or another interesting disease. I have seen a red European squirrel in a tree of my garden a few months ago. They are protected from human hunters in France, but hunted by cats and very rare inside cities, and there are no issues with squirrels like there are for rats.
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• Winston Salem, North Carolina
21 Dec 16
@topffer squirrels are neither rare nor protected around here. At any given moment moment I can look out into my yard and see one or more. I didn't think you were encouraging us to sign the petition.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
@Platespinner American squirrels are replacing our squirrels in many woods, I have seen a documentary showing them frightening a red squirrel to force it to move. They seem definitely less shy. I like squirrels, they are not in large number in France because they have many predators : foxes, weasels, grass snakes (we have an arboreal grass snake), and indeed cats.
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@Bluedoll (17078)
• Canada
21 Dec 16
Dear sirs, Allow the rats to openly protest in the streets. yours truly the eagles, hawks, owls, snakes, weasels, wolves, coyotes, foxes and other canines
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
Paris is lacking of eagles and snakes, and there is not a lot of cats near the Eiffel Tower. This petition has already certainly received more signatures than there are rats in this park, maybe the city should better capture the rats to offer them to the signers.
@Bluedoll (17078)
• Canada
21 Dec 16
Then it sounds like there is as imbalance. Nature generally looks after itself. Perhaps it is the two legged variety that people were thinking about when they made this petition and were using the "dirty little rats" to get some attention?
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
@Bluedoll I have seen many comments among the signers coming from people having rat pets, it is why I think that offering them these wild rats would be interesting.
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@simone10 (21679)
• Louisville, Kentucky
22 Dec 16
I know that rats are smart and sometimes makes great pets but that is when they are domesticated. Wild rats aren't domesticated and they carry diseases and will bite.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
22 Dec 16
I think that many people do not realize that a wild animal is not a pet. I respect animals but rats and humans do not go well together, and I understand that the city does not want their population to increase.
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@simone10 (21679)
• Louisville, Kentucky
24 Dec 16
@topffer I feel exactly the same way. I have heard of a lot of people who have rats as pets and absolutely love them, saying they make the best pets. But when it comes to wild rats, it's just not the same thing. They are destructive as well as disease ridden.
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@Marty1 (31958)
• Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
21 Dec 16
@topffer This puts me in a quandary I have heard of bad diseases of rats, yet i Don't think any animal should be killed so I would consider signing the petition
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
Some animals might be useful to the nature, I do not see what rats are doing to be useful in a city. The only positive thing I read about them is that they were cleaning the sewing system. Hmmm, they also often may use it to enter in houses. Einstein said that if rats were weighting 20 kg, there would be no more human beings, and I believe this quote. They are definitely not our friends. I would have nothing against capturing the rats instead of killing them to give them to signers to take care of them. There are already so many signers that the city would have to draw the happy winners.
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@Marty1 (31958)
• Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
21 Dec 16
@topffer Yes, I guess you are right. I admit I don't know much about rats. But I have a great love for animals!
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@MALUSE (37790)
• Germany
21 Dec 16
Rats and people don't go well together. There shouldn't be rats where people live. So, the petition wouldn't get my signature. The people who sign should be made to take some rats home with them.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
21 Dec 16
I have nothing against pet rats, but I think the same about wild rats, and I am asking myself if these people are of sound mind.
@MALUSE (37790)
• Germany
21 Dec 16
@topffer No sound minds here.
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• India
24 Dec 16
Hi Friend That's good
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@topffer (33147)
• France
24 Dec 16
What is good ? To sign or not to sign ?
@Susan2015 (20164)
• United States
24 Dec 16
I don't like them and the wild ones can bite and cause all kinds of issues. I can see controlling them.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
24 Dec 16
Yes, many signers have pet rats and they do not realize that wild rats are a different kind.
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@1hopefulman (25927)
• Canada
23 Dec 16
I can't say that I love rats! If they don't bother me, I won't bother them.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
23 Dec 16
Same for me : as long as they are not in my home, they can do whatever they want. If they come at home they will certainly have troubles with my cat.
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@jstory07 (65339)
• Roseburg, Oregon
23 Dec 16
I am sorry but I would not want to save any rats.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
23 Dec 16
No need to be sorry. I do not care about rats outdoors, but they would not stay long in my home without having big troubles.
• Midland, Michigan
22 Dec 16
[i]This is kind of funny actually and I like your ratification message too. I don't understand why your use of the italics code didn't work here unless it's not possible to do more than one paragraph, or maybe because you have the parenthesis in the middle of it? I will test the two paragraph idea to see if it works for me or not.[/i] I don't have any phobias for rats either, but if those or mice were in my house, I'd be sure to find someone to kill them. I read another article about Mountain Lions that deborah-diane wrote recently and they've been killing farm animals recently and there's much discussion about eliminating one of them for that reason. I was thinking while reading yours that they should just ship all those rats to California for those Mountain lions to eat instead.
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@topffer (33147)
• France
22 Dec 16
I rarely use italic or bold, and I also do not understand why it did not worked. It should not be stopped until the end italic symbol, I think it is a bug somewhere. I have nothing against mice and rats as long as they are not in my house, and I understand that the city of Paris do not want rats in a touristic public garden. After that, if animal lovers want to take care of them, the city can capture them instead of killing them, and everyone will be happy.
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