An Atheistic Bible Study Of The Gospel Recruitment Of The Apostles Part 3

Photo taken by me - Grave stone in Preston cemetery
Preston, England
December 4, 2017 2:49pm CST
My final look at how the original twelve Apostles supposedly met Jesus looks at James, son of Alphaeus, Simon The Zealot, and both men called Judas. I was quite surprised to see a second Judas on the lists as well as the infamous Judas Iscariot. More on these two shortly. JAMES, son of Alphaeus, identified a such to distinguish him from James, son of Zebedee, who is another Apostle, covered by me earlier. He is sometimes also confused with James, the supposed brother of Jesus, whose presence makes Mary’s claims to virginity rather suspect. Saint Jerome believed James the Apostle was James, brother to Jesus, but that brother was just another word for cousin, which seems a rather stretched definition. To distinguish him from Zebedee’s son, this James is sometimes called James The Less. (Younger) This James is barely mentioned in the Bible, and only ever in the four given lists of the names of the Apostles. SIMON THE ZEALOT Also known as the Caananite, or Kananite, with Zealot meaning fierce opponent of the Roman rule. Zealot has become a modern euphemism for fanatic. This Simon is not to be confused with Simon Peter who eventually just became Peter. As with James he is barely mentioned for any deeds, just another named Apostle. JUDAS THADDEUS – To avoid confusion with the more famous Judas, the name Thaddeus, (and sometimes Jude) are used instead. He eventually became known as the Patron Saint of Lost Causes. His name is often given and followed by brackets pointing out that he isn’t Iscariot. He is another brother (cousin?) to Jesus, and many claim he wrote the Epistle Of Jude which appears later in the New Testament. Other than that, he is barely mentioned. JUDAS ISCARIOT – His conversion to following Jesus is not given though often when listed the authors remind us in advance that he will betray Jesus and cause his arrest by the Romans. He is treated as a pantomime villain to boo and hiss at a great deal. I’ll deal with his betrayal of Jesus and contrary accounts of his death later. Arthur Chappell
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@mythociate (21437)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
19 Dec 17
so What about their "recruitment?"
Lesson PPT TITLE Main Point: Jesus invites us to follow Him and we must each chose whether we will. Key Verse: “Come. Follow Me,” Jesus said. “I will make you fishers of people.” - Mark 1:17 Materials: Two sheets of paper.
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@mythociate (21437)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
20 Dec 17
@arthurchappell Would you guess that the later recruits were sorta 'jumping on the bandwagon' (kinda like a lot of people will do with newly-planted churches that they hear a buncha their friends are going-to)?
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• Preston, England
20 Dec 17
@mythociate we don;t get to see them recruited as we did with Andrew and Peter and the early recruits
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• Preston, England
20 Dec 17
@mythociate they are probably an exaggerated number to give a sense of a growing movement
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@Poppylicious (11133)
4 Dec 17
Although I don't believe in the virgin birth I do always think it's highly unrealistic to think that a young woman would never consummate her marriage and have more babies after giving birth to the son of God!
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• Preston, England
5 Dec 17
@Poppylicious Many Christians do like to think she remained chaste and celibate - a central belief for many convent nuns
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@LeaPea2417 (36536)
• Toccoa, Georgia
23 Dec 17
@arthurchappell I do not believe she remained a virgin. Jesus had brothers and sisters. Those who say she remained a Virgin is twisting scripture. It is heresy in my opinion.
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• Preston, England
23 Dec 17
@LeaPea2417 the Bible never says one way or the other
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@koopharper (7502)
• Canada
5 Dec 17
As a Christian, the concept of Jesus having younger brothers and sisters doesn't bother me in the least. The Bible nowhere claims she remained a virgin her entire life. I think when it says brother it means brother and not cousin. John the Baptist was a cousin of Jesus and he is never referred to as a brother. Imagine what it would have been like to have Jesus as your older brother. You should be more like your brother...
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• Preston, England
5 Dec 17
@koopharper good point that the Baptist is a cousin.
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@xander6464 (40915)
• Wapello, Iowa
20 Nov 18
I feel sorry for James, son of Alphaeus. He strikes me as a Pete Best sort of character. There at nearly the start and then all but totally forgotten. But, for Pete Best, things did pick up a little in the 90's when he was included on Anthology. Maybe when they get around to writing The Bible Part II, (Or Part III, if they count the Old and New Testaments as separate Books) James will get some fame and recognition.
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• Preston, England
20 Nov 18
5th Beatle and 13th Apostle - not the best positions to end up in
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@xander6464 (40915)
• Wapello, Iowa
20 Nov 18
@arthurchappell I wonder if they only allowed James to be an Apostle because his mother had a big basement for them to rehearse in.
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@xander6464 (40915)
• Wapello, Iowa
20 Nov 18
@arthurchappell Some of those things required really understanding parents.
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@teamfreak16 (43419)
• Denver, Colorado
6 Dec 17
Two Judas'? Yeah. Not too creative.
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