There's no reason to continue here at myLot until the administration cleans up
By muncierebel
@muncierebel (730)
United States
December 27, 2006 9:37am CST
After spending quite some time yesterday reporting abuse of the myLot guideline [7. Poll, survey, and yes or no type discussions are not allowed], I checked back today only to find that the most pervasive abuser (he is currently listed as today's top user and he was yesterday's top user) is still posting the exact same type of discussions and is racking up credit for discussions that are specifically banned by the administration themselves.
Sorry for that terrible run-on sentence but it had to be said in one breath. Now for the details. I came here to be involved in some discussions and earning some money was just a small perk. As I looked around for good discussions to join and thought of areas where I might start discussions, I realized that there are people here just "working the system" in order to earn money only. Even though the myLot administration has clearly spelled out their rules and has a system in place to report abusers, I'm not sure that it is very effective. Either there is a huge backlog and the admin just hasn't seen my abuse reports yet or they don't feel that enforcing the rules is a priority. In either case, this will probably be my last post until I see that human_spider has either been banned completely or his credit has been dropped to about 100 (which may still be a high number based on the type of discussions he has opened). You can check his discussions out yourself (and maybe if more than one person reports his abuse, he will be investigated quicker). Almost all (and I would say all if I had the time to go through every single one but I don't have twenty hours to waste) of his discussions are a poll or yes or no type of discussion. These are expressly forbidden by rule number 7 set out in the guidelines and quoted above. And yet he continues to do this and gets thousands of replies.
And then he adds insult to injury by commenting on each reply with "Thanks for your reply to this discussion." He isn't the only one guilty of this as I see it everywhere. I understand that you want to let people know you are reading the replies, but you need to say something of substance or else just vote for the best response and people will know you have read through the replies.
At this point I am just frustrated that I have to look through 10 idiotic (and blatantly against the rules) discussions to find one that even remotely resembles a smart discussion that I'd like to join. Therefore, I will sign off for now and check back from time to time to see if the administration is serious about running a site that rewards honesty and integrity instead of rewarding those who feel it necessary to flaunt their disregard of rules and regulations.
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62 responses
@pmct393 (42)
• Singapore
27 Dec 06
lets' just say we have to give a bit more time to mylot administrators to clear out whatever abusers are doing. u can't just chk it today and tomorrow and then declare that mylot adfministrators are not doing anything. Y not instead of complaining and giving these idiotic users a negative comments, u or rather anyone else in this mylot or even me help mylot to make this a better place for everyone of us. No point, just complaining and pin-pointing but not helping mylot administrators to do anything. yr demands are rather ridiculors. y not help us by giving negative comments and reporting these idiotic users to mylot.
or rather u can choose to ignore these idiots and reply yr own constructive and have substance type of comments.
u r not the administrator of mylot and neither am i. helping mylot will not kill u.
be sporting to suggest to mylot on more preventive measures and not just complain and complain.
i understand how u feel but i choose to ignore them. i choose to give constructive response to logical post rather than to STUPID postings!!
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
First, I have attempted to help administration by reporting abuse (and reporting abuse and reporting abuse). I'm sorry if you felt my discussion had "demands" that are ridiculous. I wasn't demanding anything; rather, I was stating that as the system is currently, it isn't working for me. If the system changes, then I'll gladly continue posting. If it doesn't, then I'll leave the myLot community to those who are having fun with it in its current state.
As for not giving it enough time. I realize that asking for changes in one day is wanting too much. However, the abuser that I was reporting was the top user yesterday and some of today. With a high profile such as this, if I was an administrator, I would checked him out before the day was done to see if he is truly the day's top user or the day's top "abuser".
I am willing to give myLot the time they need and I wish them all the luck in the world.
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@muncierebel (730)
• United States
28 Dec 06
I understand that it will take time. I would just like to see them start with the most obvious offenders. Human_spider is the day's top user for a reason - his posts are nothing but questions with no substance. As for evidence, it should take an administrator no more then five minutes of investigation to see that his entire account should be deleted and banned.
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@lauriefnp (5111)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I can feel your frustration at the situation. I, too, spent most of yesterday reporting several people who were blatantly abusing the system. There was some success in getting one user's rating dropped by almost half, which was encouraging. Before you leave MyLot, please read through this discussion: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/504103.aspx
The newly formed MLPD, or MyLot Police Department, is a group of users who, like you, want to utilize this site for fun, to gain knowledge, and to just kick around ideas and opinions with "friends". We have to stay on this and stay united. MyLot is responding; I think that they're just overwhelmed because people are reporting abuse like crazy. If we give up, then the losers will win.
One of the people who was posting a spam discussion every 10-15 seconds yesterday is today one of the top users. I know that several people reported him all day, and I'm waiting to see his rating drop.
I don't know who Human_Spider is; He is no longer on the top user list, so I think the one I spoke of has replaced him. I will wait until his rating drops now!
PLEASE don't give up quite yet.
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@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I haven't given up. I've just gotten frustrated to the point of stepping back for a little while to see if the system works. As I stated to the first reply, it was just aggravating to see that someone who is listed as the top user of the day and who has such blatant abuse was not singled out almost immediately by the administration. Allowing him to be listed all day as the top user just sends a bad signal to all of the other members when they read his posts and realize they have no substance. I'm looking forward to seeing a great community flourish here.
@amafrias (455)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I didn't come to mylot to earn a living so these people putting so much effort into cheating a system out of a few pennies really is incredible to me.I enjoy joining interesting discussions, and try to start them when I can. When I see abuse I report it everytime. There was one guy that showed up on every discussion I entered and had the same copied response to everyone of them. Not only was he cheating he was commiting palgiarism! Some unsuspecting author out there now has his work plastered all over Mylot with someone else taking credit for t. Someone not so biright either if you read the one or two discussions he actually started himself.
I totally agree with this poster, don't give up, just report it when you see it, and they do get their posts deleted. I have watched after reporting and seeing where others were going to report, and their posts do dissappear. It'll all work out eventually.
@kris182_2000 (5444)
• Canada
27 Dec 06
Unfortunately at this current time (5:26pm EST), this idiot is on the top poster's list.
It's sad, since I've seen him there many times since I started here.
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@Sunset50 (1397)
• United States
27 Dec 06
What is substance to one is not for another one. Not everyone thinks the same. When I see a discussion I am not interested in, I just go on. There are plenty of different ones on here. I don't expect people to think as I do. If they find a way to cheat the system, that is their problem. If they get caught it's their problem too. I enjoy myLot and the many opinions and ideas here. It's an excellent site.
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@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Understood that substance is in the eye of the reader. My complaint isn't as much against the substance of the discussions as much as whether they are legitimate based on the rules and guidelines. I also skip over discussions that may not interest me and try not to judge them as long as they have made an honest attempt at discussing something they are interested in versus discussing for the purpose of making a buck.
@mytwo_daughters (2663)
• United States
27 Dec 06
by all means sign off of mylot. I'm not saying you don't have a complaint, but you are a little insulting, and people like you give mid westerners a bad name. To call ten people idiotic because you don't like their discussions is revolting. I can understand not being tolerant of a yes or no question. Often times if I do answer one of these, I follow up with more rhetoric. As far as saying "thanks for your reply" what more else do you want people to say???
I do think Mylot is doing their job, they ask for help, but they do not need the mylot nazis to tell them HOW to do their job. that's my opinion.
@mytwo_daughters (2663)
• United States
27 Dec 06
well, seeing as how most people do not know they are being rated for their response, I feel a thank you is appropriate. Usually if there is anymore to be said, I say it. Secondly, yes, mylot does have a way to report abuse, why should anymore be said. The ridiculous posts you say have been made on mylot, could easily equate to the number of complaints against the abusers, I've run across quite a few of those. Things do not need to be said endlessly, just to gain a few cents, do they? Yet, daily, there is someone complaining about abuse. If you think it is abuse, report it. period. Why should we sift through complaint posts any more than we sift through nonsense posts. Both bug me, but yet I do feel you have the right to complain. I understand about making money. While I have a pretty good job, this is not my bread and butter. Others hope to make some good money (good luck!) So my terming you and others as "Nazi" means that there are some mylot members spending their time searching out abusers, and recruiting others to do it? why? Mylot said, "if" you see abuse...not search it out. These posts are annoying, as well.
as far as being one of the millions of midwesterners...well congrats. Your post just seemed a little rude to me. Clarifying it some what did help me understand somewhat, and has made your post a little less insulting.
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@muncierebel (730)
• United States
28 Dec 06
It isn't the words in your posts. It is the posts themselves that are wrong. You have not, and from your posts here, will not read the rules and guidelines set forward by the administrators.
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@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Your opinion is duely noted as this is the exact reason for the site being in existence.
I apologize if you misunderstood my comment about 10 idiotic posts. I was not calling anyone idiotic, I was referring to the posts. And 10 idiotic posts doesn't necessarily equate to 10 people as it appears to be the same people over and over.
I was stating facts that there are a lot of discussions being started that are against the rules and guidelines of the site. The fact that these members are posting them means that they are either ignorant of the guidelines or that they are not operating in an ethical manner.
Since this is a site that pays for posts, simply saying "Thanks for your reply" is not just being polite, it is receiving credit where credit is not due. If there is nothing more to say then thank you, the proper thing to do is not make a comment at all. The fact that you are glad they made a reply is a given.
As for insulting, I do not care for the term Nazi being used to describe anyone who is using the system that the myLot administrators themselves set up to report abuse.
Lastly, I by no means "represent" the Midwest. I am simply one of millions of residents in the area who also has his opinions.
@llecis (109)
• Portugal
28 Dec 06
I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, as I already said before, people just ask for stupid questions and always get lots of answers. Serious things don't matter anymore. I did not joint because of the discussions, but because I was curious, as it was the first time I was joining a forum. Here we just waste our time I think. At least if we could earn some money it would be good, but what you get is almost nothing. I suppose it's the same anywhere else, as nowadays people are not interested in learning or reading, they just like to join forums or chat sites to exchange silly impressions, look for friends (if you can call then friends!!). The world is getting worse every day and it's very difficult to meet someone who has interesting things to say. When someone like this shows up, there is nobody to listen and this is very sad.
Besides, this is not a good place to make money on the Internet.
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@198112 (335)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I am glad that there are members like you on mylot that care about the quality that is placed here. I havent noticed the top user's discussions. I have seen the human_spider picture for the passed couple of days as top user but havent went into his or her profile.
I guess right now I am too focus on making extra money that my time is spent on just that.
I applaud you for your efforts and would just say be patient with mylot. Because even though you reported abuse there are plenty of reports of abuse everyday i am sure. It probably takes time for them to investigate and make sure that the abuse claim is exactly abuse.
I wouldn't recommend that every abuse that is reported that some fatal action be taken immediately just because a person reported the abuse, it could just be someone trying to hate and be jealous of that person, trying to get them a bad rep.
So dont quit with mylot continue your quality discussions and before time i am sure the abusers will get dealt with.
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I completely agree that the abuse link should not be some automatic disqualification. However, with human_spider, it should only take about 5 minutes of glancing at his list of discussions started to determine that he is not someone that myLot would prefer to have as a member.
There are a lot of members that would just deserve a warning as one or two of their posts may violate the rules. What is frustrating is seeing someone who is 100% determined to work the system.
I won't give up and I appreciate all of these responses and so quickly. It gives me reason to hope that the level of abuse will decline as we band together to increase the integrity of the membership.
@sharone74 (4837)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Honey, one bad apple does not spoil the bunch. If you wish to take your conversational marbles and go home that is your choice but if you check out the majority of my discussions you will see that I am seeking depth and involvement in my discussions and not only that but that I comment on just about every response that I receive back. There are a lot of people like this here such as VisitorInvasion,Blkcat1,strawberry383 or strawberry385 I cannot remember which. There are a whole host of people on my friend list that post substantial and intelligent discussions. You may just need to pick your friends better.
@sharone74 (4837)
• United States
27 Dec 06
There are over 50,000 members here on my lot and if each posts just 2 discussions per day that is 100,000 discussions to police. They probably do not have an enormous staff on my lot to search out the insurgents but again pick your battles better but don't just leave!
@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
28 Dec 06
I love a good deep conversation myself (but I am also very headstrong LOL) mind you I dont start many conversations but love to join in on them....it is a pain weeding through all the crap there is no doubt about that but I'm waiting until after the holidays and seeing what happens then..hopefully come Jan they'll get a move on and things will turn around....One thing I really do love about MyLot though is the fact that its busy..there are TONS of topics here its just actually locating them thats rough LOL
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I'm finding a common theme that I need to make a circle of friends in order to get in on better conversations. Thanks for the list of those to look at.
I'm definitely not taking my marbles home. I may just sit out one game on the sidelines.
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
If you are able to earn the money with honesty and integrity, then by all means, more power to you. The fact that members earn money here is set up by the administrators. But they also set up a set of guidelines by which the member has agreed to be bound.
As for being a tattler, I am just using the system set up by the administrators for the purpose it was intended.
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Maddy, your post is #11. I know for a fact that we cannot delete posts that we don't agree with. While that would be an interesting ability, it would defeat the purpose of discussion since there are always going to be those who disagree with us.
@EconKnowMix (858)
• Philippines
28 Dec 06
it is always like having
a protagonist in every story.
Well, i think let the MODs of MyLot
do the judging now.
The case is already raised to them.
so let us wait and while waiting
let there be peace and enjoyable
posting to all!
@josephperera (2906)
• Sri Lanka
28 Dec 06
Everybody is complaining and complaining. But I have found mylot wonderful and I earn money at the same time. This is what I do. I now have an idea of who posts discussions that I am interested in. I check their profiles and look for the discussions.
Another thing I noticed is if you look in the discussions with 0 responses, most of them are wonderful discussions. But unfortunately no one is intereted in them.
I think we should do this. Gather all those who believe that quality discussions are not there. Make them each post one quality discussion, and check whether they have responded to the discussions of each other.
@wildbynature (623)
• India
28 Dec 06
no dear no one is complaining. they are just saying that human_spider is abusing, and his post is abusing which i didnt like so i came here.. even mylot is wonderfull but somepeople dont want to make it better like this guy who started this
@Withoutwings (6992)
• United States
27 Dec 06
If you are looking for conversations that take some thought, check some of mine out. I try not do make any yes/no or this or that type discussions.
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@cclay34 (486)
• United States
28 Dec 06
You now have a mass response and have earned your $1.00 for the day. Are you happy now or do we all have to continue to listen to your pissing and moaning about what other people post ? I assume you have a scroll wheel on your mouse like everyone else, why not use it to pass up the discussions you dont wish to read ?
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
28 Dec 06
For clarification, I only earned 55 cents. Secondly, I didn't do it for the money. And, yes, I have a scroll button but since there are rules in place, I shouldn't have to wear it out.
@cclay34 (486)
• United States
28 Dec 06
There are 50,639 members here on mylot. With that many people posting topics there are going to be a lot to weed through, it should be expected. Not everyone of them are going to be brilliant conversationalist. It does absolutely no good to complain no matter how many rules are broken for the simple fact that for every member you manage to get banned there will be three more to replace him/her who will be just as bad or worse. The easiest thing to do is to go with the flow and learn to live with it. You can stop posting on mylot but the next forum you join is going to be the same so its pointless to complain unless your just using it as a way to release a little steam.
@wildbynature (623)
• India
29 Dec 06
I think you are only a stupid guy here who don't know how to discussion why dont they can you. you are replying to his comment for this.. stupid guy read the discussion all about
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
27 Dec 06
There is also no reason to continue if we don't all support each other. I have started a few discussions today and no one has replied to them. I have posted nearly 100 posts today. Not one single person has replied to any of my posts I started today. That is just wrong.
@clownfish (3272)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Hey, Melizzy, I just responded to one of your posts, along with a few other people. Give it some time, it gets better!
@pebbles_cubbie (3789)
• United States
28 Dec 06
once they review the discussions he's posting then they'll probably take away the credits. also they are probably really busy with other people posting the same types of discussions and answers and are probably trying to catch up from christmas break. They may also be short on people watching the site. Most of the site is probably computer generated and takes a little while for a human to catch up with all of the stuff. There are a lot of people on this site and it's hard to keep track of everyone all the time. Be patient it will get taken care of.
@pebbles_cubbie (3789)
• United States
28 Dec 06
also that's why it also asks for users help in taking care of problems on the site.
@starr4all (2863)
•
27 Dec 06
Like someone else said, just find some friends that post good topics and stick with them. I'm all for turning someone in if it's against myLots rules. But...if it's just because you don't like the topic, then I don't think it should be reported. If you don't like it, then ignore it.
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I hope I haven't left the impression that I am upset at discussions I don't agree with. I support anyone's right to have an opinion and anyone's right to respond to or ignore that opinion.
My frustration is over members who are blatantly violating the rules and guidelines set forth by the administration.
@firemansgirl001 (916)
• United States
18 Jan 07
i dont think you get points or money for replying to one of your answers. I know your # doesnt move. All I can say is report report report. if I see who it is, i will report too.
@lulylove (1560)
• Brazil
27 Dec 06
I think that the adiministração of mylot only depends on a person, to put all you add answered when we emit a message to the administrator. But the quetão is that it delays this very to happen.
However, I think that to denounce either the best form to demonstrate the administrator what it is happening of made a mistake in our Mylot.
Either you also an eye of admin in the site of the Mylot!
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I apologize in advance for my sarcasm but - huh?
I understand that we all do not have a 100% grasp of the English language and so I will have to just say I don't understand what you were trying to say.
But to post a picture that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion in a discussion about poor discussions is just - ironic.
@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I think it only fair to realize that the admin of MyLot could very well be enjoying the holidays like many of us on here and I think that giving them til AFTER the new yr is only right...I have no intention of leaving myself and have faith that the MyLot staff will take care of what needs to be taken care of. I'm also aware that it wont happen overnight and patience is definately needed ESPECIALLY considering it is in fact the holidays..
@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
27 Dec 06
oh and having a "block this user" feature would be FANTASTIC and would IMO please numerous members...it really is a pain in the rump to ahve to weed through the b.s, I wont argue that for a second..a blocking feature would be a great idea..
@kris182_2000 (5444)
• Canada
27 Dec 06
This is something that will take time to rectify.
As this community is growing at such a fast rate, the admins have a lot to deal with.
1. They have to make sure that there aren't multiple accounts coming from 1 IP address.
2. They have to make sure that there are no underage users on this site.
3. They have to go through the discussions in order to credit members.
4. They have to go through tons of emails every day.
5. They have to deal with maintenance issues, some stemming from months ago.
Need I go on??
I am the sole active moderator on a website, and the webmaster knows what I've gone through in the last couple of days just banning 2 members for spamming. My site has just under 400 members, but it's a challenge to maintain order when there's just one person who can be there as much as I am.
So you just have to have patience and know that these issues here will be dealt with. Just think that there may be other spammers before H.S that need to be dealt with.
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
28 Dec 06
I agree with all but one statement you have made. And I agree that patience will be needed. In my original discussion I said that I was going to step back and check on things periodically to see how it is going. I didn't ask the administrators to make an all-consuming sweep in one day.
The disagreement I have with your reply is #3. And this is where the problem lies. The admins do not credit the members. Members are automatically credited which is why we have a host of cheaters.
My biggest disappointment is that the top daily user is one of the biggest problems and yet he continues to stay atop the list and continue his posts. I understand that it will be a daunting task but starting at the top may be the best way to show others that cheaters will not prosper.
@muncierebel (730)
• United States
28 Dec 06
lol maddy. I think I had better look at my profile. Just wanted to let you know that I am a "he". Thank you for the compliment though.
