Inexplicable or Paranormal events- What have you experienced, or read?

Australia
March 9, 2007 9:41pm CST
Being "blessed" with a global culture which refuses to acknowledge human abilities or perceptions, many things are considered to be myths, impossibilities, or just illusions. Someone, unlelected, has apparently decided that anything which can't be bought in a supermarket is unreal. Spiritual, personal and mental experience is therefore described as "weird" or "unnatural", if it doesn't fit this conceptual straitjacket. Non-establishment beliefs, in any culture, are denigrated as "myths". So much for cultural understanding and education. Conversely, the New Age industry has found a healthy market in rehashing old stories and old beliefs. Reluctant as I am to believe that spiritual enlightenment is available for $19.95 from your friendly local Philistines, I tend to be wary of so much commercial altruism. The New Age industry, in my opinion, has just blurred the issues, and added a fuzzy feeling to some very difficult subjects which need not to be fuzzy. Very little of it relates to actual research or new thinking. As a scientific approach, it isn't one. Almost none of it actually challenges the conceptual norms, which is lousy science. Real science is always changing, and always challenged. New Age could hardly be described as challenging anything, except the capacity of herb growers to meet demand. The fact is that very few people go through life without their views, their thinking and their knowledge being challenged by something which just does not makes sense in a conventional interpretation. A person who's actually had a deep spiritual, personal or mental experience can't really be accused of fantasizing or self-delusion, purely because the accusation is based on convention. It certainly doesn't invalidate the individual's experience, just because nobody else had that experience. If someone gets hit by a truck, you can't deny it. If someone gets hit by an idea or thought or experience which has the same effect, in my opinion you're in no position to attempt to deny it. I've had enough "odd" experiences to fill a library, and hope to have far more. However, I've also noticed that there's a point at which people simply don't understand the basics. They simply do not have the information or the vocabulary to interpret those experiences. The default position (in the literal absence of any others) is convention, and convention doesn't allow for a lot of thinking on the subject, let alone understanding. Being a writer, I'm inclined to accuse the writing medium of failing to open up the issue of "permissible" experiences. Why is someone's nervewracking moment of revelation invalidated by someone else's idea of what's possible and what isn't? Writers have more scope than any other medium to explore ideas, and use logic and knowledge sources. Yet it doesn't seem to happen. So many people are told that their big personal moments just couldn't happen, "because people don't do/think/experience things like that". Alternatively, (and it's not much of an alternative), because the subject is off limits for no reason other than someone said it was. Now,****if you feel like it only, and not otherwise**** 1. What have you experienced, that you're prepared to talk about, where you've found people, or literature, incapable of answering your questions, or understanding your experiences? 2. What have you read, where the writer dictates what is a "valid" experience? (Try having an "invalid" experience; it ain't easy.) 3. Do you feel that your own beliefs, personal experiences, and spiritual knowledge are being limited by cultural norms?
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
10 Mar 07
Wow that's alot of questions. I'll try to answer all of them, though I don't promise anythin' 'cause I'm feeling kinda ill today. Hmm..well as a self-professed witch and Investigator, the former for three years now, and the latter for only a few days currently..I can say that I've had experiences which can be classified as 'supernatural'. And though science preferrs not to dabble in the 'occult' I'd like to say it has an easy time of proving it. One of the problems, I think, is that one book or two isn't usually enough to explain something so very much bigger than we are. The world, everythin in it, and what have you. Most of science thinks that we've already learned nearly everything there is to know about the world..and so many people believe the same. That if something exidts they would've read about in some science magazine..and this is one of those terrible misconceptions which most of soiety whole heartedly believes without trying to back up. Admittedly the new age market is not all good. You have to know where to look usually to find the truly knowledgeable books (like you said, spirituality can't be bought for 19.99..it takes a life time of learning, and the better books tell you that). I've been fortunate enough to find a few, and the rest I gleam from experimenting and the internet. If you want to find a whole lot of information you just believe everything you read from the internet lol..but if you search long enough you can find some excellent websites as well. But like always one or two sources is not enough. You can't learn everything you need to know from a book and a few websites..everything has to e backed up, checked, studied, experimented with and most of all experienced to truly learned one of the least explored and accepted sciences in the world. Outside of the U.S. it's probably somewhat easier..there's shamans in Africa..an island of 'witches' in the philipines..where you can easily find someone to learn with/from..and then you ahve to seperate what's superstition and truth. It's hard but someone who truly wants to learn can do it..and it seem to get easier the more you know, to learn something. But it never gets truly simple lol. Thermodynamics tells us that though things beyond our planet affects us, all the energy on earth is mostly native to our planet. All kept inside and constantly changing, being reused and created..ALL the time. I'm talking about ALL the kinds of energy there is..and there s quite afew..including I think, the energies accounted to the 'supernatural'. Physics tells us that what we think and feel affects the world around us. Science truly does nothing to back us up..but conventional people will tell us that it simply can't exist. Most religious people will tell us it can't exist since they believe it's unnatural or if it DOES exist since they don't understand it, it's 'evil'. My personal beliefs, spirituality, and experiences..well I don't believe they're that much hindered by cultural norms. A few probably but it'spart of being human I think..our fellow human beings and enviroment will always stop us from thinking, feeling, or doing something..no matter what century or realm of being we're on, or how much we try NOT to be affected by things. As long as we're alive we'll always have this problem in all likelyhood. But this doesn't mean we CAN'T see a spirit or feel enlightened..but enlightened doesn't mean all powerful or all knowing..at best most people can achieve mere moments of this sensation and hope to learn a few things from it..but it takes our whole lives to even have a glimmer of understanding about the world around us..from the supernatural (which I'll include science in)..to how the human mind functios..our history..mathematics..there's just SO much we have to learn that we can't even hope to learn it all in one life time. As for what I've read..well I've read several religious books where they dictated what I could and could not feel or know. Which has mostly been wrong. The Bible among them -- no, I'm not saying the book is flase, even though I personally believe a majority of the pages ARE..I won't dare try to dictate someone else's experiences..espcially if mine could concieveably be compatible with this or that religion. Everyone's different. s for what I've experienced..well, I'm not sure where to start..there's been quite a few. Practicing magick'd be at the top of the list..seeing ghosts, fairies, Shadow beigs (which I inadvertantly created I discovered in the end..but won't go into that..), I've done past life regression..I have dreams which sometimes tell of the future and my life is pretty much guided by my intuition..'feeling' what's the right or wrong thing to do..or how a person truly idespite their demeanor. There's just a lot of things..for me it's since I was young..and I've only more recently over the past few years begun to try to understand it.. um..I think I answered all your questions lol.
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• United States
10 Mar 07
Ugh..alot of typos..one of those bad typos was one of the informations should be 'misinformation' but I think you get what I was trying to say.
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• Australia
10 Mar 07
Thank The Dagda for real people, using their brains. Thank you also for your clear statement regarding sources and the need to check them and explore for yourself. Isn't it strange that the whole world, in every single language, has an entire vocabulary for things it says don't exist? As for typos, I notice they only show up when you wish they wouldn't.
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• United States
11 Mar 07
I equate that with how one lanuage can have like five words for love, and another will have only one. Just something people don't think about very much. Why have words for something doesn't exist? People used to think the world was plat too..so maybe one day things'll be a bit different. At least there's a nice majority of folks who study the supernatural nowadays. I heard somewhere there's like one in every five people or so now..which is alot more than there was. Anyway sure ^_^ I wish I knew more folks who actually thought things out and looked into things themselves..there's a nice amount on mylot..but there's still a whole bunch of people who just don't want to learn -- where this is concerned or on something as silly as history! So..meh lol.
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@arcadian (930)
• United States
11 Mar 07
first of all I think there is a confusion of categories here- that -once acknowledged -may make this an earier subject to apprehend. Some call it right brain-left brain by way of distinguishing the different ways of conceiving of certain experiences. Everyone has seemingly inexplicable kknowledge and experience. William James collected the results of interviews a century ago ina book called Varieties of Religious Experience- many of which were of ehightened awareness, but in that time- many of his subjects could not find words to describe the feelings -and experiences except in the context of the divine, things related to a God sense, etc. Which doesn't limit nor does it invalidate the point of what these people were describing. Its a nice book for starting out. There are many writers of arcane development who were trying to express the concepts. Our general difficulty is referred to in the writings of Neitzche, who talked about this being a time of Appolnian thought, and that in the normal cycling around of change, we would come to Dionysian thought. He went on to explain that what kind of intellectual development boys are programmed to have, or have by nature is concrete as opposed to abstract, empirical as opposed to intuitive, militaristic and mechanistic. And in many ways we see that this is plausible. That this is the dominating attitude throughout our educational, legal, political and religious traditions.The Dionysian, is just the opposite and attributed to women, or female thinking. He suggested it was biological- women being nurturers aall that. I think strong arguments can be made against this all being unique to genders. Considering the era in which he wrote, and so forth- I'm ready to excuse that part of his framing of his symbolism. WE can and do intuit most of what we communicate. People who study these things, teach that verbal expression is 7% of the way a message is conveyed. The rest is partly body language, voice infection, and in the case of written information,intuition. That's 93% of what I'm saying getting across to you -whoever will in fact read it. Less than 7% because the vocabulary of far too many people is sadly far too small. Needlessly. New Age by its very name is a promise to some of a softer world, a minor validation , a chance to develope and use- that part that others cannot so easily control. I have no criticism of it. As a witch, I feel sad when other witches criticize some a fuzzy bunny witches, or new agers- tsk. We are all in it for the elusive truth. Its an elastic reality-(see Einstein)and by the way start tracking the physicists working on the M theory. It really is what we THINK it is. I'm not accustomed to lopening up this way- talking from deep inside about what I know and think- I hate to imagine no one will wade through itor answer.Whew.
• Australia
11 Mar 07
Hm. Thanks, arcadian, that was interesting, and a very nice paddle, rather than a wade. I prefer depth, any day. Returning your openness in some small measure, I can say as a writer that every time I write, I push my abilities with language, hard. I try to break new ground, and have to lug around a vocabulary which if OK by conventional standards, has to work at full throttle to do that. I've practically stopped using normal language, in some cases, because it doesn't keep up with the logic. I try to create new mental experiences, and if rewarding beyond belief, it does make the mind and spirit exercise themselves, continuously It may be that much of our language and concept-creation is really an ongoing, erratic, effort to explain our own thought processes. We don't seem to be too proficient, just yet. That social context is perhaps the curse, as well as the cause, of language. To communicate anything requires some version of shared meaning, and meanings are sometimes pretty inadequate things. Even as equations, what we "know", when expressed, has that fissionable effect, releasing energy in terms of further extrapolation and reactions. (Sorry, couldn't resist, thinking of an E=MC2 version of communication.) Wonder how many useful forms of thinking would have been much more easily applied, if the social context had been a bit less pedantic. So many "metaphysical" things can be read as physics, just by using analogs. If you read the Tao Teh Ching in that way, Aristotle and Pythagoras were scooped by a thousand years or so. Philosophy tries so hard, as if it were swimming in concrete, sometimes. In witch idioms, I'm a little surprised that anyone is making any points about "fuzzy bunnies" at all, because of the infinite interactions with the natural world. Sledgehammers make lousy wands, conceptual or otherwise. It's slightly offkey, I think, to be assuming that one can be a sensitive and simultaneously ignore the finer frequencies. I have yet to meet a sugary/fluffy/cutesy real witch, and I'm not wondering why. The truth doesn't make euphemisms, and any spiritual person has to learn that. Fuzzy, it will never be. I've got nothing against the softer lighting of some of the New Age stuff, in principle, it's just that leaving out everything else, and being as insular as it sometimes can be, is to me missing the entire concept of spiritual development. The spiritual environment can be as tough as any, and neglecting the education on the basis of infantile, sanitized versions of the spiritual life seems extremely unwise, and dangerous. Nothing worries me more than a neophyte spiritualist, "enriched" by the sputum from hackdom, serenely walking over the minefields.
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@arcadian (930)
• United States
11 Mar 07
sorry about the typoes- didn't mean to make it ëarier-"but easier, I just went on from there with five thumbs on each hand. LOL
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@arcadian (930)
• United States
13 Mar 07
I had to be away fromhome and computer for a few days. During a lull in work, my thoughts turned to you and your intersting discussion, I so looked forward to your response, and was delighted to read it. Your point is one I obviously have not considered- that a sanitized version could be dangerous. I found myself thinking of people who've lived lives of hard work, little time for contemplation, and how it seems that the spiritual expression that accompanies that tends to be aphoristic. But opening my mind to your view I realized that I have been entertaining a romantic excuse for a shallow almost two dimensional refusal to think by whole segments of people on all human concerns. A quick smug bumpersticker answer to all of life's issues has created a society that is for far too many people, chaotic and heartless. We are driven by our spirituality, strengthened and stretched by it- or we are automatons- but in either case we are exercising power. And if I understand you correctly that is the minefield. Hmm.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
10 Mar 07
Even though you have written quite a lot here, I am not sure where you are going with this discussion. First it seems that you are advocating things beyond "normal convention," but then you say that "new age" thinking is not scientific. It seems that "new age" thinking would be more open to the type of ideas that you are suggesting (paranormal experiences for example). There are things that science can and cannot explain (or should I say that haven't yet been explained in scientific terms, which doesn't mean that they won't be explained at some future date). I think we need to be reasonable people, using science as the basis for our decision making. If something happens to us that is beyond what can be explained by science, that doesn't mean it isn't real (or our reality). I guess that's about all I have to say for the moment. Maybe someone will come along and understand what you're trying to get at, and I can follow along better from there.
• Australia
10 Mar 07
It's a particularly long piece of string, so I didn't want to limit the inputs. People's experiences are so varied that I didn't want to ask about specifics, but more about how people have experienced others' reactions, and their local culture's reactions. No, I'm saying that New Age has dropped the ball, and is being commercial rather than scientific. Being open to ideas for the purpose of making money isn't my idea of opening up a topic for any sort of public understanding. There are a few instances of actual research being done in a New Age idiom, but they're rare. Most of it is largely finding non-copyright information from other cultures and publishing that. Hence also the related sarcasm about the writing medium failing to address the conceptual restrictions, and the somewhat dictatorial tone of texts on spiritual matters. We writers claim to be exponents of culture, and then settle down to ossify subjects like that with our own version of what's right and possible. Not good enough. The logic's pretty gruesome: some will insist on making assertions on trust, with no supporting data, others will insist that peoples' experiences, however numerous, are just delusions. In neither case do writers really address the basics of trying to understand issues. Anything on a New Age topic rarely gets criticized, or even questioned, on that level. Science, by definition, is as much about what is unknown, as what is known. The context is that we have a culture which routinely doesn't acknowledge personal experiences, leaving a lot of people with a lot of unknowns. As a matter of fact I don't think anything is really inexplicable, I think we've just created a culture in which the questions can't be asked, and there are no meaningful obligations upon "experts" to provide answers.
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