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Would you rather have a government that took care everything or nothing  email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 29 out of 2,509 in debating 4 years ago

I believe in absolutes, if you believe that it is the government job to take care of something then why not everything. If you believe that the government should not be taking care of somethings why not everything. This is very important because this year election boarders on socialism vs. anti-socialism. What is your choice.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 92/100. Guardian208 (499)   ranked 115 out of 2,509 in debating   4 years ago

I believe in absolutes in many cases as well, but it has to be much more granular than your proposition supposes. There are things that the government should take care of absolutely, national security, national infrastructure, our economy and monetary systems, our laws and judicial system etc. etc.

Those things are required for the efficient operation of our country. Without those things, we would de-evolve into a third world country.

There are other things that the government should absolutey NOT be involved in, our ability to choose who we associate with, who we marry, where we work, where we get educated, how I spend my money, my speech, my faith, my healthcare, etc. etc.

These things are all individual choices. Once government starts intruding on my freedoms and liberties, we no longer live in a free nation. Unfortunately, as I look around, many of our freedoms have already been eroded by the expansion of our government. Once we lose freedoms, they are hard to get back.


myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 29 out of 2,509 in debating  4 years ago

True, True I understand that we all need some government, well except anarchist. The question is where do we draw the line.

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2. myLot reputation of 62/100. bravenewworld (357)   4 years ago

So you cannot tell the difference between a country with socialist programs (which includes just about every country, btw) and an all-out communist state? You might believe in absolutes, but very little in real life is that simple.

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3. myLot reputation of 42/100. redyellowblackdog (4040)   4 years ago

I'd rather the government took care of as little as possible.

National defense? Private contractors are currently doing outstanding work. In the past, privateers, organizations with Letters of Marque, and volunteer milita performed marvelously.

Deliever the US MAIL? Highway Contract Route mailmen (not USPS employees) deliever the US MAIL much more efficiently (PROFITABLY!) than the government.

Health care? Check out the VA system and see if you would like to have everyone subjected to that!

Education? Homeschoolers and private schools regularily out perform the government schools.

The more I think about it, the less I want the government to do.


myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 29 out of 2,509 in debating  4 years ago

Very true, I cannot disagree with anything you have wrote.


myLot reputation of 71/100. theprogamer (7491)   ranked 81 out of 2,509 in debating  4 years ago

Perhaps I can be of some assistance Red?

Transportation - Well the current funding still gives a poor product and created a system virtually dependent on long distances via car (Hello higher gas prices too...)

Education II - Get vouchers in, also look at other countries with less spending in education and a BETTER product (Singapore, Japan, etc), then compare that with current public deaducation in the states... -_-

Healthcare II - See VA treatement, for minor but notable examples, see IRS, see DMV; look at government hands (HMO in the 70s), liability insurance overblown

Lawmaking - Well the government is needed for this, but has been making some bogus laws as of late; super taxes, current divorce laws, custody laws

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4. myLot reputation of 72/100. choudhary03 (564)   ranked 985 out of 2,509 in debating   4 years ago

No person in this world is perfect that applies even to governments. they cannot take care of everything we need to take care of somethings. There are somethings which people should take care of.


myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 29 out of 2,509 in debating  4 years ago

Right government has the ablity to screw up. Do we real want to put all of our eyes in the basket of the government.

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5. myLot reputation of 20/100. MntlWard (601)   ranked 1,358 out of 2,509 in debating   4 years ago

To address the poster above me who says that no one is perfect, including government:

If it wasn't the government doing it, it would still be non-perfect people doing it.

The problem with handing public services over to private interests is that private interests are often not at all interested in the public good.

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6. myLot reputation of 49/100. Destiny007 (4866)   ranked 346 out of 2,509 in debating   4 years ago

I believe in minimal government... one that is not involved in healthcare, education, social issues, religion and personal liberties.

I also believe that we should maintain our sovereignty and we should withdraw from the UN immediately.

We don't need a nanny state or a government to take care of us or to dictate our daily lives or what we do.

We have become a nation of laws... most of which are unnecessary, intrusive, and sometimes downright stupid.

I believe that we should return the government to the limits set out for it in the Constitution, and we REALLY need to clean out Congress and start fresh.

The way socialism is creeping into our society, it WILL be full blown communism one of these days, and by that time it will be too late.

I am a conservative, but more then that I am a Conservative Constitutionalist... and I believe that if the Constitution does not allow it, then the government is not supposed to be doing it... and there are a LOT of things the government should not be doing.... and both parties are responsible for that.


myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 29 out of 2,509 in debating  4 years ago

I agree 100% with what you are saying, if it is not in the Constitution it should not law.


myLot reputation of 94/100. mizrae (502)   ranked 393 out of 2,509 in debating  4 years ago

First, over the last three decades, with each succeeding generation, our public school system has been "teaching" the children the benefits of socialism. (If you do not believe this, those that can check your children's or grandchildren's textbooks!)
Second, the government has gotten us into this mess, starting back in 1913 with the addition of the Federal Reserve Act placing our economy dollars in the hands of unknown and international banking concerns.
Third, the government has certainly shown how well they have run this country. This administration is the most corrupt and illegal in American history.
Our ignorance and complacency and demands of government interference have brought this crisis down around our heads. Our constitution clearly states the presidents ONLY role is to protect this country NOT to run the whole country nor dictate to its citizens. WE ARE THE POWER in this country, WE are suppose MAKE THE LAWS that govern us NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Unfortunately, the majority of us have become an ill-informed, ignorant and irresponsible society that does not have the faintest idea how to manage themselves let alone make laws. Why are YOU allowing known voter fraud to take place? Why aren't you demanding accountability from all government officials? Why do you continue to sit and watch T.V.; play video games; buy stuff you don't need; get more credit cards and NOT educate yourself? Why do you believe everything on mainstream news? Look around, what do your eyes see, what is your heart and conscience telling you? I am begging you, seek alternate news sources to find out what's really going on.

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7. cristolb86 (12)   ranked 2,463 out of 2,509 in debating   4 years ago

If governments took care of everything then we wouldn't learn to be responsible and take charge and be motivated to excel. But at the same time we need good social welfare for people that can't provide for themselves, good health care, subsidized education so all can afford, good standard of living averages. The things that show we are developing as a nation and able to take care of each other but not a government to spoil us rotten. But all said and done I am 100% behind
a Obama or Hillary for President than the other side.

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8. myLot reputation of 89/100. sageivyberyl (703)   4 years ago

As long as humans run the government there are going to be errors made. The more humans involved the more mistakes made and the longer it will take to fix them. Our government makes a great many mistakes because they get involved with entirely too many things. And they take forever to get anything done. I think our government should stick to National Security, National economy and monetary systems, laws and judicial matters and the National Infrastructure. They have enough trouble keeping up with and doing these things right. Giving them more to do means nothing really gets done.

How I live my daily life is my business as long as I stay within the law. I don't need the government to tell me who to love, who to marry, how to educate my child, what I should read or eat or who I can and can not speak to, what my beliefs are or my ethics are. I do not need them to tell me what to value, what to think, what to say or what to do with my life. What I do need them to do is the job we elected them to do and not make matters in this country or the world worse then they already are.

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9. myLot reputation of 71/100. theprogamer (7491)   ranked 81 out of 2,509 in debating   4 years ago

While I say the government is needed for somethings, there are plenty of areas where it has really failed. If I had to choose between a government that took care of everything (why even live if its all taken care of?), and nothing from them... I'd be one to take nothing (or the bare minimum to be truthful).

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10. myLot reputation of 94/100. nini168 (1329)   4 years ago

If the governement do nothing, they should not ask taxes from us. Poeple will still fight for a good life without a powerful government, but rich people may benefit more than the poor ones.

If the government takes care of everything, world may be not so competitive as now, and it will create a lot of lazy ones.

So I wish to have a government which have a good power in army and justice, while can control the nation when a economic disaster takes place. In other places, i hepe it will do nothing.

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