U.S. Army members are shooting down Mosques in Iraq  

radical muslim enclave?..
In fact if there is something radical there, it is the U.S. army. As you already know the army is making an invasion againist them and this is totally unfair. They are trying to make some reasons for that but in fact the main reason is oil. Nothing more, nothing less.

U.S. just wants to be the superpower in the world by doing this. You will never accept how barbaric there. I am talking about 1 million civillians in there, inculding children and many others! There weren't such terror problems in Iraq.

Many journalists are mentioning how U.S. army is helding everything firmly there. They even don't let birds to fly. I just can see your media is misinforming you about these issues.

That is the biggest load of natural born fertilizer I have ever heard.
And where are you getting your news from? How do you know they are reliable?

at least I am not getting my news from the tv only. Personally I am more close to Iraq and there are certain journalists who I follow. In addition, I am more aware of the historical issues over here and know about how the things are working in the world, also I am always in touch with other political groups in my country and talking - discussing about these issues more seriously.

There is no need to be a genious to see that. There is an unfair invasion in Iraq and this is being done by an army which is trying to dominate the world.

those US armies must have some mental problem and high stress because most of them were forced to go in Iraq.

Let's see 21. Muslim. And you just know that your news isn't biased?
Whatever...

yeah. another democratic view ...
There are many christians saying the same thing with me too.

Whatever

If any Mosques are bombed, they would be empty of civilians filled with insurgents. We have honest reliable reporters all over Iraq all the time.
Our news sources are very reliable. We have many to chose from so if one seems to bias we can change to another.
You are spreading false rumors.

Of course we couldn't have the real truth given to us. We need to listen to Islamic Jihad propaganda radio to get the truth about the United (great satan dogs) States.
Somehow I smell pig droppings from allahradio in Turkeystan.

I am not getting my responses from such silly places you mention, whatever I am not going to try telling you whatever is happening here cuz you will never understand.

LOL, what a situation! While I am fighting with islamofacists in my country and hoping my army to act againist them soon, now you are saying I am doing something about them

Whatever, you can say whatever you like. Close your eyes and sleep well, good bye.

Woah, hold up.. you're Muslim and you don't like the Democrats? Are you sure you haven't mixed up your terms? The Republicans are the ones who are truly supporting war against the Iraqis. (Oh whoopsy-daisy, it's a liberation for the Iraqis. Not a war against them. Silly me.. ;D) Not [most of] the Democrats.

I strongly agree with you dear eden32. But I doN't think all the americans are violent and gun-happy people because I have a friend from north carolina. He has been a good friend of me for over 8 years and sometimes we talk about politics with him too. he was really sad about the war and he was very angry againist bush and other people who support that kind of victories.

I believe not all of americans are violent people but I am also sad to see that the american media is showing regular people of Iraq and such countries as potential (or even active) terrorists.

When I see a discussion regarding to this war, they always mention U.S does that againist terrorism and if they stay out of Iraq everywhere will be full of terrorists. I can understand this is being injected by false media.

eden32: I am 53 and have seen more than my share of war. The word "mosque" is not unknown to me or most educated Americans. If you remember, when we have attacked a mosque, it has been because forces loyal to Hussein, as well as terrorists, were HIDING there. They themselves have also destroyed mosques. I was paying attention.

I believe the US soldiers in Iraq are at present (and have been), trying to secure the country for the "regular" Iraqi. I don't have a problem seeing the average Iraqi as a regular person; wars are started by terrorists and governments.

the lie reason about the war was not terroristm.. If you remember it was about mass killing weapons and even wikipedia says they didn't find what they were looking for.

After the U.S attacked Iraq, then it has been like hell and never a safe place to live in. They tell everyone carrying a gun to save his country a "terrorist". But when U.S soldiers are killing unarmed people there, they are just making it safer.

Plus, they also caused a civil war between the Iraqi people. The civil war didn't take place before the invasion. So, U.S. also did a great thing as a help to Iraqis with the civil war and caused many deaths.

Also, you can see my next comments and the videos about that.

Oh my god Ruler, you are something. You quote Wikipedia like it is the ruler of all things true. Dude, "I" could write something on Wikipedia. Didn't you hear about the joke article there that claimed this one guy was a Nazi? It was written as a joke and was on the website for almost a year before the guy being called a nazi found out and it was finally taken down. There is some nice info there, but any educated person knows that it is not an authoritative source and should NEVER be quoted as a valid source.
As for the civil war part, that's been going on for over 20 years. Saddam kept the country together by killing off dissidents. He even gassed his own people to maintain order. One of our methods of winning the first war in Iraq was allying with his opponents. Unfortunately, after that war Bush's term ended and Clinton just pulled everyone out and let things go back to the way they were. Boy didn't that work out great?

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You better believe it was our business.

Let's see, there was a ceasefire that we are enforcing... the was the WMD issue which Saddam did have until he shipped them out ... which according to the satellite images most likely went to Syria ... there was the whole removal of Saddam thing ... now there is the provide security and stability while that new government tries to get it's sh!t together.

Meanwhile we have Iran interfering from the sidelines which means that sooner or later they will have to be dealt with in some way.

As far as Wikipedia is concerned... that content is user generated and cannot be counted on for accuracy... so any information from that source is going to have to be independently verified from additional sources.

Diplomacy is way overrated in a wartime situation, as is any type of appeasement process.

When it comes to the Mideast, diplomacy is not really useful. However, violence is a language that they understand very well, and since the terrorists are intent on using it against the Iraq people then that is the only language that they understand.

Thanks for the information anotherbirthday. I agree with you, there were many photoshoots and videos from the area as a proof. As I have mentioned before, I have some friends in the US who are also aware of the situation too. Additionally, as I have mentioned in a comment we talk about world politics with friends and it is something really serious. none of us are brain washed and we doN't only follow the news from muslim people, and it is really amusing that the people who believe in the same religion with me consider that I am not one of them. Yeah, that's another issue. The people who think in my way are very least in my country and there have been many bad things in the past about that too. So the comment above really seemed amusing to me when I am also not accepted by the "muslim" people over here, besides I don't need to be accepted as a muslim by anotherone. As I always say, religion is a personal thing. So if you can't dislike me because of the food I prefer, this should also be the same about religion.

I hear you. I do not see why we try to help other countries out. They never appricate it. We are seen as bullies, etc.... We should just leave them alone to solve thier own problems and if they need help...ask someone else. Americans are tired of spending millions of dollars and lossing precious American lives just to have them be unappricative gits.
We need to pull out of Iraq. You and I both know when we do the country will fall apart. They are not strong enough to stand on their own yet. But they want us out... so fine. But in a month or so when you realize what a huge mistake it was..don't come calling for us. We will not be listening. Go to the UN maybe they may actually get off their butts for once and do something constructive.

they are not calling you as bullies for nothing. because you are only doing bullies there.

The main reason of USA was just OIL. Your country has the control of everything in the area now, especially the oil, no worries. You already won.

There were not such terror problems in Iraq but after USA entered there, a civil war began. Yes, this is another way of democracy and solving problems.

USA should stop acting like a fake police of the world. I would like to say "police" but in fact they are the ones who needs to be arrested. See the videos in my next comment if you are really interested in being realistic. There were many 3,4 5 years old terrorists there ... yeah, everybody EVEN CHILDREN in iraq are terrorists for you. If they were not, why would your angel-like marines kill them ?? (!)

A couple of those videos are not even on YouTube now. One is a film of Vietnam from the early 1970's. You're a little late in worrying about that now.

The other videos you point out, how do we know who did the killing there? It could have been Iraq's own "people" agains their own. That certainly happens all the time.

And please, Iraq was a dung-hole of the world long before the US got there. Hussein used chemical weapons on his own people and on the Iranians. They are still finding graves of mass murders committed under his rule. Many thousands of Iraqi's have been tortured by their own countrymen under Hussein's rule. And all those are easily verifible facts. Go to Wikipedia if you like...it's there.

Don't try to get American's to cry too much for your part of the world. I think we are pretty much sick of you. I know I am. I think you'd best be left to kill each other. That's what you've been doing for thousands of years now. Don't stop on our account.

I typed the urls of the videos manually, can't you see the first 2 videos? and the other one about a us soldier acts againist islamic believes?

They are still on youtube but I might have mistyped them. Cuz I just looked for them and found and wrote here.

Additionally, while nobody wants US to attack us and "bring democracy" why does it insist on that? Is it because they are very very good? is not there a reason behind it? You might be sick of us but your politicians are not. They are after something more valuable here.

Yeah, we have been killing each other while peaceful americans are not doing the same thing. You think you used to live in america for thousands of years? Do you know what happened to native americans? that's the least you did really. Aren't americans also killing people for thousands of years? Didn't they also participate in both of the world wars?...

and in another comment of mine, I mentioned something else. the support of USA behind that famous Usama Bin Laden. This is also a fact that's known by many people. Even my father, when he heard the name of that damn terrorist he was surprisingly saying "they were supported by the usa againist russia" and he was amazed to see they shoot WTC towers. Whatever, that doesn't change the fact of US support to the terror.

a note about the videos:

only the first video doesn't load but if you open the second video, and then in the list of related videos, click the first one and you will find the video I mention.

The US aided Osama because Russia attacked Afghanistan and we were trying to keep them from being one more country annexed by the Soviet Union. It was no different than our assistance to Korea. Our aid helped keep Afghanistan an independent nation and forced the Russians out. The US government at that point in time had no way of knowing that bin Laden would one day send terrorists into the US to hijack planes and crash them into buildings killing thousands of innocents. The aid from the US back then was intended only to stop the Russian army.

YOu go and spread your lies elsewhere! YOu most of the US citizens are simply UNAWARE of the situation in there or simply BLIND!

So, you say I am a lier just because of that? Well, IF you want to see the hannds of policy about the mosques in IRAQ here is the policy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Squ2UezM1O0

This is how they destroy mosques. And I am still going on to spread my lies , here is another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEJUUfUjYxQ

And the US armies are really peaceful and they respect our holy believes really. Want to see a proof?
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mnN3RbTSZE
Isn't it just A SHAME? IS HE PISSING OFF TERRORISTS THERE??

Yeah, I bet you will also want to see your victory in IRaq, here are the killed terrorists you mention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_TXmMOvmg

Great victory indeed. And here is another video about the massacre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5J0WKb8kJo

Then you are the liar here! You are the one who is just defending a violent propoganda!

U.S. has went there for oil, killed millions of people just for that...

By the way, the first reason to go Iraq was nothing with the terrorism. It was about mass killing weapons but guess what?? THEY DID NOT FIND ANY KIND OF MASS KILLING WEAPONS. Even wikipedia says that.. But you are too blind to see this!

As I have mentioned this is simply an invasion and now you say everyone who carries guns are terrorists in iraq. They are just trying to save their country againist invasion. Cuz as I have just shown, US is killing there.. not an antiterrorist force, it is a killing force.

Turkey didn't attack at the Iraqi citizens and you are just being so rude.

I have to warn you because you are insulting me and you know nothing about the real situation.

Taliban attacked the WTC towers, yes that's true but you just know a little part about it. Why didn't any jewish people go to work that day? In addition, everyone knows that US supported Taliban all the time when Taliban was attacking Russia. So, you were supporting terrorism those days but when they attacked you (in fact that's another question mark) you say US is just saving the world as a hero!

Youtube is not a valid source of anything? The valid source is your useless words and useless information? I have showed you the facts there, the videos are taken in that place this is no lie.

And You know, in WTC towers nearly 10 thousand people die. I am also sorry for that but you are not making a fight back in iraq. you are doing something else. (oil)

And when it comes to the war between northern Iraq and Turkey, PKK the kurdish terrorist group killed more than 30 thousand people in Turkey. And they are still killing and threatiening people in our south provinces. I AM LIVING IN TURKEY and don't say you know that more than me! I have friends who experienced that THREAT. I personally saw that in little towns here! They are doing everything to damage our people and country, not just ONE attact to kill about 10 thousand people. They have been attacking us for more than 20 years now!
Plus, Turkey doesn't invade Iraq and kill iraqi people. We are at war with PKK supporters and there are not such foolish things as you do in there. We are not going overseas and killing millions of people just for oil. We are trying to save our borders.

If you want to close your eyes to the reality, then it is ok!

Actually, it was al-Qeada (sp) under the direction of bin Laden who attacked WTC, and they have claimed the credit long ago.

You seem to have the Taliban confused with al-Qeada ... are you aware that the Taliban is normally associated with Iran, and not with bin Laden?

Actually, about 3000 or so people died in WTC, not the 10000 that you claim, yet you claim we Americans are getting the true news. It kinda makes you wonder now who is the one not getting accurate news reports.

You are going to warn ME? Warn away big boy!

You insulted me and every other American when you tried putting your lying propaganda out there about US forces attacking Mosques.

I am well aware of the goings on between the PKK and Turkey, and what the PKK has been doing.

If it makes you feel any better, I think Turkey did the right thing, and should have did it much sooner.

The point I was making is that you seem to think you have all of the answers as far as the US involvement in Iraq when you don't seem to have the full story.

I merely pointed out what should have been obvious to you.

We are not in Iraq for oil, if we were, we would have easily taken it over, and it wouldn't have taken five years to do it either. Our oil doesn't even come from Iraq at all.

What millions of people do you claim we are killing, hmmm?

The last figures I saw was that about 85000 had died, and most of those were from other Iraqis, so where do you get millions?

I am not trying to offend you really. but that's a fact US supported terrorism againist Russia, you might have heard that maybe this link might be helpful:

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/madein.htm

This was what I was trying to tell when I said US supported Al Qaide or Taliban.

In addition, I have already showed you the american people shooting mosque and destroying it. If you don't watch it then it is your problem and makes clear that you are already closed to the facts. I am not offending to the americans but it is clear on the video!

And as I have said before,there weren't many people dying in Iraq before the war but after it, a civil war began. Maybe you doN't count the deaths in civil war?

Accept it or not, always the stronger one does that. And as far as US is economically strong, then they are doing that too.

I am well aware of bin Ladens roots... in fact that is very old news.... so What is your point?

What we should have done was let Russia completely obliterate the Mideast like they wanted to... that way we wouldn't have to deal with ANY of you.... there would be no problems with terrorism because you would be too busy leearnig to speak Russian.

If any of our troops did open fire on a Mosque, then you can bet your camel that there was a damn good reason for it, becauuse Mosques are not considered to be legitimate targets.

Clinton was offered bin Laden's head at least twice and he turned them down both times.

A lot of lives could have been saved if he would have accepted that offer.

As far as that so called civil war... with Iranian supplied help, the terrorists are keeping us there until Iraq can handle it's own security.

You seem to forget that Iraq elected it own government... the US did not install one... and right now the whole damn world is waiting for Iraq to get it's sh!t together... and as far as we are concerned that cannot happen soon enough.

Ruler, you are freaking retarded. The US did not support terrorism against Russia. We supported Afghanistan defending itself against Russian invaders. The US was always against the Soviet Union annexing every country in its path. Afghanistan just succeeded because they had a lot of natural defense and the US provided them aid. US never endorsed sending terrorists INTO Russia. If we did, you would have seen hijacked planes hitting the Kremlin.

By the way, none of your video clips prove anything. You can show all the bloody bodies you want, but that doesn't prove the US was responsible for any of it. It looks like that crap came off of Al jazeera, which we all know is the mouthpiece of Al Quaeda and the rest of the stupid terrorists. If that's where you get your news, then you've already been brainwashed.

Hmm, really? If I recall correctly there was an incident at a mosque in Fallujah. I think it was 2004. Do a Google check if you don't believe me. Unless, of course, you really want me to provide all the sources for you? I'd gladly do so.

You mean like these links that clearly show the insurgents (terrorists) are using mosques to store weapons and as bases of operations? ...

http://www.telegraph.co.u...

http://www.usatoday.com/n...

http://www.globalsecurity...

As far as I am concerned, any building that is being used by the enemy is a valid target.

What we should have done was leveled every mosque in the country if that is what it would have taken to defeat those terrorists.

Furthermore the Geneva Convention Rules should have been followed to the letter in regards to rabble, which says that any combatant not in uniform can be considered rabble and shot, and anyone of the rank of corporal or above can give the order to do so.

That would have put a very quick end to the habit of the terrorists melting into the crowd,because once he did so the whole crowd then became rabble and therefore a legitimate target.

What the heck is funny about being from Turkey? Do I have to support the stupid prime minister who is currently leading turkey? YOu know what? I am completely feeling embrassed because such an idiot is being prime minister here and I hope Turkish army will do something againist him and stop him selling all the sources of our country to foreigners.

That's my difference here, I am just not covered my own countries propaganda, I hope BCMike also could understand this. Because Turkish TVs don't support what I am doing but only few channels and they are not islamic ones. He is just trying to offend me whit whatever he has.

Anyway, While United states was doing whatever they like to the natives it was all good. As I have mentioned in another post, the stronger one always does that. Wheter it is Russia or Usa and there's no need to deny that fact really.

And another thing about aljazere or whatever. I don't watch whatever it is because I am from Turkey. I searched and found my videos from youtube and by saying "EVEN wikipedia says that" I didn't mean "ONLY wikipedia says" I meant "it is known commonly"

And just go on believing US army is killing the terrorists there.. Just go on... I believe US already knows where Osama is, but they won't show him until they attacked everywhere they like.

And also I have suspiucious feelings about WTC towers. I even think USA might have planned it by itself to have a reason to do all the things after it.

Whatever it is, the world is inside a war between economically strong countries(Usa,Russia) and/or imperialists.

Additionally US wouldn't work with the current prime minister at all if they were againist islamofacist actions. He is really one of them I strongly belive but unfortunately he is the current prime minister...

Just waiting to see our army to get him down and remove this threat

Actually, he is dealing with Americans, Veterans and Patriots who are tired of seeing our Nation and President bashed by a bunch of know nothing third worlders who can't see beyond their camels nose.

I can guarantee you one thing.... the terrorists will think twice before they attack the Eagle on our own soil again.

heheh, just same as fans of Bush lol .the words and slogan also quite similar

You know what?... I served my country 30 years ago, in fact I had already finished my military service by the time I was you age.

What have you done so far other than sit around and talk trash about things you have no knowledge of?

I see you are from Malaysia, hell that is about as third world as you can get.

hi Destiny007, c'mom! How can you maketo me??? See your age, 52 years old already, where's your 1st world class civil-minded? I don't wana argue like a child with old man. Ok mind you to share with me where had you been serving your government before?.

The terrorists won't think twice, they don't think at all, these are people who kill themselves and others in the name of a religion that teaches killing yourself and others is a sin.

I guess you are not aware then that 9-11 was being planned 6 years before it happened?

The terrorists soldiers won't think twice, because they are stupid throwaways, or most recently... mentally ill and disabled women and children.

You can bet the leaders are thinking twice, and more than twice though.

Oh yeah, these terrorists types has got a LOT to be proud of... lets see...cowardice...stupidity... and fornicating with swine.

Hold up, you're in your 50s and you still hold condescending views of other countries? That's pretty immature and speaks a lot on behalf of who the remaining Bush supporters are.

I am in my 50's and hold realistic views of other countries.

According to your profile, you are a 15 year old kid which means you have no idea of what you are talking about beyond what you have read, whereas I have lived through most of what you are reading about.

You have absolutely no room to be talking about immaturity or how people view other countries because you don't posses the maturity, understanding or the life experience that I or anyone else my age does.

In short, you have no knowledge of what you are talking about, so I would say that you would be the one who needs to "hold up".

its been a week but uncle destiny is still messing with this issue. i recently watched news that u.s. troops killed innocents iraqis on public area. it seems that they wanted to attack the terrorists but obviously more civilians become the victims to the attack while there's no sense of terrorist. and i do agree that to kill innocent(s) is a sin whether you do kill with your riffle or you bomb yourself together. and again, to uncle destiny, don't judge people by their age. in case, you shouldn't be a typical american, being younger sometimes better than being older. i have watched many documentaries about 911, and there's many theories about it too, hm, i don't hafta tell ya which theory i believe. and back to this topic, if the news was fake, then uncle is right, but if the news was right, then what do you think uncle?