Have you heard of the water-based fuel technology?

Sorry not a mechanic but I wanted to respond to you because I have been wondering what that was all about and hadn't really heard an answer that I liked so far (or until I read yours). I would be interested in if this works or not but for now I have decided just to not drive until gas prices change. I haven't put gas in my SUV for over a month and a half. Thank you for explaining what that was all about.

ive heard of this but i dont think it would mess the engine up. shouldnt they have made one that is prone to that? i mean they can thinkup everything under the sun cant they...lol

So, if I get it right, you are pumping "hydrogen" directly into the crankcase? First of all, I don't think that the electricity from the batter is changing that water into hydrogen, it takes a more complicated chemical process to do that. So, I definitely would not pour anything into the crankcase except oil and nothing should go into the intake manifold except gasoline like it was designed for. I think this is some kind of scam.

Hi you gorgeous dragon you, (In Australia, only the most fearsome school teachers or hospital matrons are afforded the title "Dragon Lady"!!!) Anyway, about this hydrogen-in-the-carby thing... Yes, there's a lot of merit to the idea. Mainstream chemists and metallurgists would probably scoff at the notion out-of-hand, probably for good reason if one's thinking were restricted to just the mainstream perspective... Hydrogen has a funny way of penetrating into metal castings (such as pistons and piston bores) and making them brittle, so that little bits start breaking off them under stress. And as for the electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen, the conventional mindset is that it will take more energy to separate them than you can hope to get back out of them by burning them again. And most simple experiments will prove just that. BUT there's all sorts of tricks and unexpected quirks hidden in there. Not everything in nature works the way we expect it to. There's actually a patent or two in the USA for running cars on water - no petrol or anything, just water. They don't hand out patents for things that don't work, so you can assume that if they DO work, then they've been suppressed to protect the profits of big oil companies and the like. Maybe those water kits you've heard about DO work. The only way to find out would be to get a couple of people to test them out and see if they really do work. There may already be some reports somewhere that you could check. There's another one I've heard of, but never had the time or patience to really check out properly - it's called the "Joe Cell", which is a contraption that allegedly focuses Orgone Energy into a pipe or something that leads to your engine. There's some guy in Australia that was running his Datsun for years on this thing (I guess his name was "Joe") without any fuel or anything - and the engine ran cool (really cool). There's a few theories about how that thing might have worked - has to do with monoatomic hydrogen and other stuff. Which might also be related in some way to the magic that other people seem to pull off playing around with plain old water. You might have heard of something called "Brown's Gas", which is produced by striking a carbon arc under water. A little reflection should spill the beans on that one - it's the same as they used to do with the wood-gas generators that they lugged around behind cars during Exercise WWII. If you burn wood (for example) with limited oxygen, then the wood burns incompletely to produce Carbon Monoxide, which is flammable (bet you didn't know that!). You can run an engine on Carbon Monoxide, if you have a steady supply of the stuff, and that's what the old wood-gas generators produced, to run the cars that they were hooked up to. But the funny thing is, when you have a wood-gas generator fuming away there, if you spray a mist of water (steam) into it, it's so hot that when the water comes into contact with that red-hot carbon, the water dissociates into hydrogen and oxygen, and the whole mess then pumps out a mixture of Hydrogren Gas and Carbon Monoxide - an even BETTER fuel. And that's the same thing that's happening with that carbon arc underwater - that's basically what Brown's Gas is, a mixture of Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen Gas, which is a really good gas for a welder to use, and it burns to plain old Carbon Dioxide and Water. And you can run your engine on that, too, if you can figure out how to make it. An easy way is to rig up a wood-gas generator and pipe some steam into it, and twiddle with the valves and stuff until you're getting a nice mixture of Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen Gas coming out. It's been done before - in fact, they were doing it back in the 1940's. running their cars and trucks on it. Can you run your car on water? Probably, if you believe the patents that have already been granted. Can you improve your gas mileage with water? Again, probably, if you've got the time to fiddle around with it. Best to fiddle on a toy engine first, or at least on an old cheapie that you don't mind wrecking in the name of science - because it's likely going to take a few goes before you get it right. There's also supposed to be a series of resonant frequencies that will cause water molecules to spontaneously dissociate into atomic oxygen and hydrogen. That shouldn't be too hard to test, if anyone's got the time (but there's only so much time, and more urgent things to worry about for most people). Anyway, interesting subject to raise. It would be nice if someone who has actually BOUGHT one of those kits you mention could relate their experiences with the rest of us.

The first point of correction in your discussion,you said Hydrogen is piped into the engine manifold, but the truth is that it is the gas which is known as hydroxy(HHO)or brown gas or HHO that is used and not hydrogen.This gas is form when electricity from the battery is introduced into your jar or container having the cathode and the anode poles respectively,which is filled to a particular lever with water(H2O). It does not damage your engine,it does the opposite.