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myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics 4 years ago

Hello All,

"Denver's City Council president is getting hammered with hate-filled messages in response to Tuesday's surprise performance of the "Black National Anthem" by a jazz singer during a city event.

Chanteuse René Marie had been invited by Mayor John Hickenlooper's office to sing the national anthem during his annual State of the City address.

Council President Michael Hancock, the master of ceremonies, introduced Marie, who sang what is known as the "Black National Anthem" instead.

Her performance evoked angry reactions among some of the estimated 700 people at the event.

"There is no substitute for the national anthem. Period," Councilman Charlie Brown said.

"This is the State of the City address. It's not an NAACP convention," he said, referring to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Hickenlooper and his staff said they expected Marie to sing the "The Star-Spangled Banner" and that they were surprised when she sang something different.

In a statement late Tuesday, Hickenlooper said: "I'm disappointed that this matter has been a distraction from the great work and significant accomplishments of our city employees over the past year and the many important initiatives on tap for the coming year."

Hickenlooper said in an interview that he spoke to Marie after the ceremony and that she apologized profusely.

The mayor also said that Marie told him she meant no disrespect.

"She blended the two songs together," Hickenlooper said. "She was trying to make an artistic expression of her love for the country. She did not intend to make a political statement or anything."

Marie sang the first verse of James Weldon Johnson's "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing," also known as the "Black National Anthem," but adapted those lyrics to the tune of the "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Marie said she had no regrets. She deliberately didn't tell anybody about her song choice "because I don't think it is necessary for an artist to ask permission to express themselves artistically," she said.

"I would not change a thing," Marie said...."

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Personally, this really steams me. What say you?

1. Did the singer step over the line?

2. Shouldn't she have given the Denver administration the option to weigh in on her political activism?

3. Should the Denver City Council president have turned off her microphone? Should he have begun singing the real National Anthem? What do you think should have been done?


 

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1. myLot reputation of 91/100. Ldyjarhead (5188)   ranked 964 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago


Oh, this makes me way beyond angry. I am fuming right now!

If she was supposed to sing the national anthem, if that is what was appropriate and expected of her, she had ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT, artistic or otherwise, do do whatever the heck she felt like.

I am not prejudiced. I am not racist. I am not biased.

But it's crap like this that cause even folks like myself to get absolutely livid, and when we react, we're told that we have no tolerance. I say bullcrap!

If people continue to do stupid stunts like this, how can they expect to be treated equally? They are drawing attention to themselves and of course people are going to reach to what they're doing. And then we get fussed at for it.

Stupid, just stupid. I need to shut up and walk away from this computer for a minute ...

whooooooooooooooooo



myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Ldyjarhead,

I had to take a few deep breaths myself! So, I completely understand your need to walk away.

If the singer was justified in her bastardization of our National Anthem, then why was she compelled to keep her plan a secret until she sprung it on an unsuspecting public???

Grrrr! Like I said, it really steams me, as well!


myLot reputation of 86/100. kenzie45230 (3015)   ranked 362 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

I agree. If she was supposed to sing The National Anthem, that's what she should have done. It has nothing at all to do with being racist. It has to do with what she was contracted to do.

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2. myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

She didn't intend to make it a political statement, my foot! And since when is singing the
National Anthem an "artistic expression." She could have sang anything to the tune to express
her artistic expression. This is an affront the patriotism of the people who attended that
event. It just goes to show how far the roots of racism have dug into American soil.


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Clrumfelt,

"She didn't intend to make it a political statement, my foot!" AGREED!!!

If there was nothing unsavory about the plan, why did she feel compelled to keep it such a tight-lipped secret?

Grrr!!!!!


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

I strongly doubt it was the equivalent of a "wardrobe malfunction." A "lyrics malfunction!?" Get
real. They should keep cd of the National Anthem on standby for just such an occation from now
on at all social events where it will be sung.


myLot reputation of 72/100. fiona08 (323)   ranked 314 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

"She could have sang anything to the tune to express her artistic expression". . . So you would have had no problem with her singing another song's lyrics? What exactly is your problem with the song she chose? It is a completely uplifting, inspirational, peaceful song. Is it because it is nicknamed "The black national anthem"? That doesn't imply any insult to Caucasians, or to any other race of people. It is the melding of two beautiful peaces of art. Both with wonderful significance to our country, and our country's history. The dark times the lyrics speak of, were dark times for all of us, and the song speaks of rejoicing that they are in the past. Your offense, actually, goes to show "how far the roots of racism have dug into the American soil."


myLot reputation of 79/100. clrumfelt (1908)   ranked 133 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

No one is supposed to change the lyrics to the National Anthem when they sing the song for an event. They are singing for all races of people in the USA, after all, not any particular one and I think it flies in the face of patriotism to politicize the song in that way. She has every right to sing her artistic expressions, but that was the wrong time and place to do it.

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3. myLot reputation of 93/100. craftcatcher (2276)   4 years ago

I think she's probably very lucky that she did it in front of a small crowd and not at some large sporting event. Look what happened to Roseanne.. she got all the words right she just sang it badly and she got booed off the field, hate mail and even death threats!

It would have been much more appropriate if she had informed the Mayor that she wanted to ad lib. Then given him the opportunity to say ok or hire someone else. After all it was his gig.

The excuse of an artist asking permission to express themselves artistically.... that's a load of horse hockey if I ever heard it. I'm a professional singer and it would never have entered my mind to be that disrespectful to our National Anthem. She was making a political statement not an artistic statement. But I doubt she will be making that kind of statement again anytime soon. She'll never get hired again to sing the National Anthem at a public event. I hope it was worth it to her.


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Craftcatcher,

How nice to visit with you again! And, thanks for offering a professional perspective on this. That's actually very helpful!

I agree with "horse hockey" as it relates to the singers 'artistic license'. It's simply inconceivable that she would not have pondered how terribly provocative and insulting her derision of the National Anthem would be.

I suspect that you're 'spot on' about future employment prospects. If I owned a jazz club, I would certainly write her off, to avoid the controversy that will surely follow her for some time.

Great points, Craftcatcher!

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4. myLot reputation of 48/100. rodney850 (931)   ranked 456 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

Hello LadyLuna,

In answer to your first question I have to say it was definitely overstepping her bounds although it absolutely doesn't surprise me! And yes, she should have given the Denver City Council a "heads-up" on her intentions but then she would have left herself wide open for be asked not to sing it that way or not to sing at all! Something I learned from my wife a long time ago and that is; it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission! That way you get to do what you wanted to do, right or wrong and have options afterward!

As far as what should have been done, I'm not really sure what I would have done in this situation. It's hard to really say until you are put into the actual situation itself. Kind of like saying you would have voted against something about 4 years after the fact(pun intended)


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Sir Rodney,

Your wife sounds like she's one sharp cookie!

You also raise a terrific point about hypothesizing about how we might react in a similar situation. I believe that discussing such issues impresses a possible course of action into our subconscious. As such, I suspect that imaging how we might react may actually be very helpful for us. I believe that I can say with confidence, that if I had been present, I would have lifted my voice in a rendition of the real National Anthem.

If the president of the city council was not leader enough to turn off her mic, then at least any one of the hundreds in attendance could have led the crowd in a rendition of the true lyrics.

Pun -- Hmmmm, I can't imagine anyone seriously suggesting that hindsight doesn't skew the view!!! Though, you made no such reference to sincerity, did you? (chuckle, chuckle)

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5. myLot reputation of 62/100. gewcew23 (5064)   ranked 414 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

Good grief what would have been so hard about finding someone who would sing the real National Anthem. You cannot convience me that all of the people that actually know how to sign the real National Anthem were busy. I found out that Mayor John Hickenlooper was not even wearing a sports coat and tie. My husband never goes anywhere important without wearing a sports coat and tie. Not that hard to find one, ever heard of a men clothing store, I am sure Denver has one. If not then I am sure you could have found an online store than sold sports coats and ties. That is just me, something called dignity for the office.
To your question;
Yeah I think the signer stept over the line. You were there to sign the real National Anthem not the black National Anthem. Even if you hate this country if you are to do something you are supposed to do it.
If she wanted to sign this new National Anthem, the black National Anthem she should have gotten this opproved first.
If I had been on the Denver City Council I would have reached over and ript the microphone out of her hand.


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Gewcew,

Ah, you raise a very interesting question: "someone who would sing the real National Anthem." Yet, the singer agreed to sing the National Anthem, ... then duplicitiously duped the city.

As for the necktie: When I first moved to Santa Fe, I applied for a number of jobs. One employer told me, point blank, that he would not hire me because I didn't understand the 'feel' of the people. Which, I couldn't help but respect for its blatant honesty! People in the Southwest don't wear neckties, they wear bolo's, or no tie at all. It's similar to the island mentality of Hawaii or the Bahamas. Which, quite naturally brings me to the reminder of just how many US citizens didn't (or don't) know that New Mexico is part of the USA, and not Mexico. Believe me, the frequency of this oops is absolutely shocking!

I fully support your suggestion that someone, anyone, should have ripped that mic out of her hand, or cut her power! Great points, Gewcew!

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6. myLot reputation of 95/100. twoey68 (10563)   ranked 811 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

It seems to me it had absolutely nothing to do with artistic expression but a way to make a racial statement. She was asked and hired to sing a specific song, not to put on a talent show. She overstepped her bounds and got her 5 minutes of fame.

I also can't imagine why there needs to be a "black national anthem". They live in the same country as everyone else after all. I've always thought that if we had the same things geared just for whites...white history month, all white tv station, special all white only colleges...the black community along with all the other different races would throw the biggest titty tantrum you ever saw. We'd be labeled as racists and they'd be wanting to put their foot down about it.

She needs to be fined and banned from performing for those types of functions again.

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myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Twoey,

I agree about the artistic expression as a load of hooey!

Moreover, you raise a truly magnanimous question: Why is there a separate 'Black National Anthem'? Your argument against this racist type of policy definitely holds water!!! Great points, Twoey!

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7. myLot reputation of 91/100. TessWhite (2022)   ranked 834 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

Yes she stepped over a line. I'm not a racist, against anyone. But the national anthem isn't something that is open to "artistic expression." And as for her saying she wasn't making a political statement.... puhleeeze. Anyone who buys that, contact me, I have a bridge I can sell you.


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello TessWhite,

I certainly hope that no one is so gullible as to be contacting you about that bridge! Though, the tollways of our nation are a different story -- since they're open to foreign-owned operational bidding, Grrrr! Sorry, I digress!

Great point about the National Anthem being exempted from "artistic expression"!

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8. myLot reputation of 83/100. natuser28 (772)   4 years ago

I always thought of the national anthem to be universal ,to be respect and not a side show circus for someone to push their musical career. Yes, there have been hurtful past here in America of slavery and other antics. Even though there's still tension, we have came long way from racial discrimination.
I find it hard to believe she was sorry and didn't mean any harm. Just my opinion, someone else also plan this with her. Just a thought.


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Natuser28,

Well, the lines seem to have been blurred between the sacred and the profane, eh???

I agree that we've come a very long way in our internal struggle against racism. Of course, I credit "Archie Bunker" for the greatest leaps in that regard. Who really wanted to be as ignorant as Archie?

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9. myLot reputation of 75/100. irishidid (3461)   ranked 839 out of 3,985 in politics   4 years ago

It was a pretty stupid move on her part. What did she think it was? A talent show?


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello IrishIdid,

That's a great question: Did she ever try out for "Idol"? Hmmmm????

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10. myLot reputation of 92/100. underdogtoo (8736)   4 years ago

I think that everyone has an agenda and one small thing like singing the national anthem could become a secret weapon in the hands of one with a different agenda. One would think that there is homogeneity in a community to the point that singing a national anthem would mean exactly that, the national anthem and not a different anthem. She obviously wanted to make a splash; and don't tell me about artistic expression, she can have all the artistic expression in her own bathroom and be supremely satisfied. It's just like a guest in a Superman convention taking off her cloak to reveal a Spiderman costume underneath, or some such nonsense. It sounds like a slap in the face and a dare for them to do something about it. The fact that no one did anything about it and she had the center stage to herself meant that everyone was immobilized by the brazenness of her action. I would cut off the juice to her microphone if it were me and let's see how she reacts to that, little artistic missy without volume control to her microphone.


myLot reputation of 78/100. ladyluna (2495)   ranked 185 out of 3,985 in politics  4 years ago

Hello Underdogtoo,

Great points! I agree that the singer's action is like a slap in the face. It was wrong on so many levels!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue.

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