Is there a subject called use of the English language?  |
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I keep reading discussions written by US, UK and other English speaking members and repeatedly see misuse of the English language. I understand a lot of our members are from NON English speaking countries and, in my dressing down here, they are immune, it's not their language, I forgive them. But where the hell were most of you educated? I adore the English language, it can be so expressive, if used correctly it can say anything from your heart to your head. TAKE NOTE: There is no such word as "ALOT", it niggles the hell out of me when I see it used again and again, it's "A LOT" Please, if you have an education that includes English language as your FIRST language, use it properly. My question is, have I posted this in the right subject area? And how do you feel about being told off? (and yes I know you are all going to check out my future discussions to make sure I don't make any mistakes)
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Thank you so much for responding, didn't mean to sound mean, lol, play on words and did I spell it right, or write or rite? I love play on words and really am not having a go, just found it interesting!
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capirani (941) | 1 year ago | For me, the spelling isn't as bad of a problem because I realize there are many people who just can't spell, and others who have trouble typing. I can overlook a few typos and misspelled words. What I have the most difficulty with is the kind of posts that just make no sense. There are a bunch of English words there, but it is like someone just took a bunch of words and threw them at the computer and let them fall anyway they would. And others that don't even have words that even look like words. What is it all about? Is it a new street language or something? Is it something only the young people understand? Then there are those who get all their modifiers misplaced, and you can't tell who or what is being referred to or who did what to whom, etc. When I find one of those posts, I just skip over it. I have even rated some of the worst ones with the minus sign. I mean if you can't even read one sentence and make any kind of sense out of it, how can you rate it with a plus?
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2. Wizzywig (2801) | 1 year ago | I think 'alot' could just be a 'typo'. (I hadn't noticed it in any discussion on here.) Sometimes my keyboard doesn't register my finger hitting the space bar. It doesn't really bother me if people use incorrect grammar or spelling on a site like this as long as I can understand what they are saying. I feel that the content is more important. At school, we were told off by our English Language teacher for starting a sentence with either 'and' or 'but', so I really don't mind if you also want to tell me off.
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | I can assure you that if you look closely, everybody spells it alot. You see, I remember being told off severely, when checking marketing docs, (proof reading) many years ago, and I missed it, I have been aware ever since. I am very grateful that I am able to say anything about it today, here, and people respond and listen. Thanks Wizzywig, and I think YOUR name is very appropriate in this case. Good!!!
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3. shamzy18 (1298) | 1 year ago | well theres a section on interest called talking which this may go under but it can go under people too .. and yeah english is basically my first language but i sometimes dont write properly this is because of texting and being on msn trying to write as short and quickly as possible so its not that i dont know how to spell its just when im typing or texting i write things differently sometimes.. but since i know you are meant to write properly here i have been trying to do that so im sorry if i do ever write anything wierdly .. but anyways every one needs a telling off once in a while so im not bothered have a good day or night bye
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Love your comment, I love texting too, have a friend who cant type fast so I invited her to do text language to me on yahoo messenger, boy does that get her out of my hair quicker, and has negated the need for me to talk for hours to her on the phone. Yeh, there is something to be said for mis-spelling. Oops, did I spell that right? Thanks so much for your input. Oh boy this is fun!
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4. SomeCowgirl (8234) | 1 year ago | Grammar is a better word for what your looking for. Your from Spain and have your own dialect and slang that is different from any other Spanish speaking countries. America is the same. We have southerners, northerners, and in between. A lot of the things we type here are coming from our own heritage and the way we speak. I use "reckon" or "I guess" to mean "I suppose". I don't type it here to often, but I still use it. All I'm saying is don't insult us unless your ready to be insulted yourself. I appreciate the discussion, Que Tenga Sendia. I know that mylot doesn't allow other languages and therefore I will translate for all those who do not understand I said "have a nice day". I'm not sure on the spelling and am not sure on the grammar, but correcting me is your own perogative. I won't disrespect you for it, as I don't disrespect you for this discussion, i'm speaking my mind.
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Sorry SomeCowgirl, I may appear to be FROM Spain, but I am, in fact, from the UK, born in Germany to an English farther in the army, and my mother tongue is ENGLISH. I only moved to this country when I was widowed, to try to experience something of a different way of life. Hey, you wouldn't know that. You also wouldn't know that I also speak Spanish (after 8 years living here) and what you translated is south american spanish. But I really appreciate your input, please follow me, I am going to be very controversial - I Promise!
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SomeCowgirl (8234) | 1 year ago | Oh I know that it was not of Spain, but of South America. My old friend taught me that, or rather, it is always on her voicemail. I appreciate your response, and no yelling, I really didn't mean to be insulting to you in anyway.
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capirani (941) | 1 year ago | There is nothing wrong with using the words of the region you are from, like "reckon", etc. It is a perfectly good word. I wish I could copy and paste some of the jibberish I find on here. I agree with the original post. This is NOT about those trying to learn the language. There is something else going on here and I would love to know what it is. But it is permeating all areas of the internet and mylot is full of it. I have other responses here so put them all together and maybe you will know what I am talking about. I think the original post was about this problem as well as other grammatical and spelling errors.
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Thanks SamQuinn, short, sharp and to the point. This is not a mobile phone, its a computer, with the full complement of letters, easy to find, so bloody use them. lol
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Thanks for responding joliefille, I am pleased you find English enjoyable, and dont blame you for passing over discussions that have so many errors they give you a headache. And I see you are from Malaysia, your English is lovely. Thank you.
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7. katty0004 (354) | 1 year ago | I think people write the way they talk . Some states have more slang than other states. Plus I know when I am typing that my brain moves faster than my fingers . But I can usually read what they are talking about . As for being told off its a free country do as you like .
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Hi karry0004, it may be a free country in the US, but not all mylotters are USians, and not all are free (hey but that's another subject for another day)! And I'm really not bothered about slang, I've got some too from my original place of upbringing, the UK. It's really about blatent abuse of the language itself. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate your effort.
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8. salonga (4652) | 1 year ago | I'm not from US or UK. I would say I'm not really that perfect when it comes to English so I don't really mind finding some misuse words or any grammatical errors in any post. I myself is not perfect so who am I to judge others. Although using English properly matters, what is more important to me is the thought.
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | You are right of course, the whole purpose of a discussion is to put across ones thoughts, and what a fantastic medium mylot is for that. I'm really not trying to judge others here, just wanted to know how others felt about the consistent abuse of a mother tongue. Thank you for your response, it is very much appreciated.
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9. capirani (941) | 1 year ago | I so agree with you! It is so hard to even try to make sense out of some of the so-called English posted in some of these discussions. All of the little pet peeves I used to have about incorrect English and grammar are insignificant in the light of how people are writing now. I can't imagine how any of them can get through high school for those who are still in school, or college, or how they managed to graduate if they are older than that and still writing such bad prose. One of the simple demolitions of an English word is the "new" version of the word "probably" and changing it into "prolly". Come on now! That is just wrong! I know that before I ever got a computer and the internet, I used to write long hand-written letters. I had two good friends in other states and we used to write to each other every week. Once I got the internet, that gradually faded out of the picture and I don't even have contact with either of them anymore. My handwriting has gotten worse since I don't use it as much. And it can be tempting to use the various chat abbreviations when writing emails and other kinds of writing. But I respect the language too much and I try to make sure that what I write is grammatically correct, at least as much as I can. I was offline for a few years and before I lost the internet writing wasn't like this. Now that I am back, it just seems to be getting worse and worse out there. I am even seeing very careless errors on professional websites. What is going on here?
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Hi capirani, first I want to apologise for taking so long to respond to your comment. I wanted to leave it till last, because it is so eloquently put and makes such a strong statement, it clearly deserves a thoughtful response. I too was offline for a few years and was shocked at the use and abuse of English, although I am amazed by the number of websites that facilitate communication these days. I do a lot of ptc and cannot take most adverts seriously when I observe the errors on their splash pages, or within the content of their marketing blurb, if they cant get that right, how on earth do they expect me to buy their product with confidence? There is too much c..p on line today, lets start a campaign, "Ban the c..p man!" Anyway, I could go on all day, but I'll stop now. I'm sure this discussion will continue elsewhere, in which case we can bang on a bit more. Thanks for your thoughtful and grammatically correct response. Lol.
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capirani (941) | 1 year ago | LOL. You don't know how much more I work to try to perfect my grammar when posting about grammar. Thanks for your response. I was just glad to find someone else who thinks like I do here. I wish sometimes I could copy and paste some of the examples on here to accentuate what the problem is.
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10. subha12 (16450) | 1 year ago | i see you are bothered by how english is used by people in non english speaking nation. May be you will find faults in my response as well. My mother tongue is not english.but I think we should atleast try to express in better way.
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Ritz100 (517) | 1 year ago | Hi subha12, if your read carefully what was asked, I did not take umbridge with people who's language is not English, in fact I expressly said that this was not aimed at non English speaking people. I think you are very brave and I have a lot of time for people who make the effort to communicate, even when it must be difficult. No, my gripe is with those educated in the English language who chose not to make the best of the language they know well. I am sorry if I appeared to offend in any way.
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