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myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting 4 years ago

As some of my friends here already know, I have been babysitting my neighbour's little girl, since she was eight months old. She's now seven years old, and is in grade two. I still do some after school care for her.

'Both' of her parents are avid hunters. They can't wait for hunting season to begin here, each year. They have passed this love of hunting on to their only daughter. This is especially true of her dad. This little girl has become obsessed with hunting. She often wears various types of camouflage clothing. Her favourite pass time is to play with different types of toy guns.

She has just recently told me, that her dad has bought her a 'real hunting knife.' This knife has quite a long blade, fits into a sheath, and can be hung from a belt. I 'know' she's not making this up. Her dad has also allowed her to use guns with his supervision, for target practice. She has accompanied him into the woods, while he hunts.

Her family has been having some very serious trouble, since this past spring. I won't go into the details here, but some of my online friends already know about this. There are still major problems in this household.

As a parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, etc., would you teach a seven year old girl (or boy) to hunt?

Do you think that the type of obsession with this, that this little girl has, could lead to serious problems?

Why do you feel this way?

Personally, I find this deeply disturbing on many levels.

Below is a link to a tragedy that has just taken place in the US.

I really appreciate your opinions here.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...

 

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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. webeishere (12986)   ranked 291 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

I never approved of toy guns with my son when he was little.
I have not bought either of my grandsons a toy gun either.
I hate even buying them squirt guns really.
I've always hated guns etc for some reasonj.
I did hunt when I was a young adult.
Never hunted when I was a child.
Once I married though the hunting went away.
I never have and never would teach kids to hunt really.
Some people are just avid hunters and that's their perogative I guess.
Just not my cup of tea.
Problems arise only when the child does not know how to handle problems.
Raising them to hunt etc won't cause problems that aren't there already I think.
HAPPY POSTINGS FROM GRANDPA BOB !!~


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Hi Grandpa Bob, happy

Thanks for being first in here. This is actually my second attempt to answer your response. I'd finished one to you, and 'it' threw me back to the comment box. A glitch possibly?

Anyway, I really hate being around guns. I'm not comfortable with the grisly stories this little girl tells. I've cared for her for so long, that she's like a grand daughter to me. She has become quite aggressive, and definitely has some problems.

If you recall a couple of my topics this past summer, they were regarding this family. It's been a very serious situation, involving the police, and I was 'closely tied' to it. I continue to worry.

What a horrendous tragedy in the case of this eight year old boy.

You've given some good advice here. I really appreciate your sharing how you feel about this. Take care.


myLot reputation of 96/100. webeishere (12986)   ranked 291 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Anytime.
I recall the discussions etc about the family.
I hate guns and even toy guns actually.
So none in this house for kids to play with.
HAPPY POSTINGS FROM GRANDPA BOB!!~


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

The thing is if given a choice, she'd choose playing with some type of weapon, over anything else. I do have a long history with this family, and hate to see the 'obvious change' in this little girl. To me, little kids are supposed to think bunnies and such are cute, and not want to shoot them. Yes, she has actually mentioned killing bunnies. sad


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Here is a link regarding Ontario's hunting regulations, Grandpa Bob. Note that kids seven years of age are not mentioned. I've had so much personal trouble with my involvement with this family, since the summer. I have really been trying to 'back off.'

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/...

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2. myLot reputation of 94/100. creative_angel312 (304)   ranked 5,943 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

I think as long as the child knows the difference between hunting and plain animal cruelty there should not be a problem. Also, she should know the safety guidlines to this sport and she is supervised by an adult. I live in South Carolina so people who hunt and wear a lot of the camo gear in not out of ordinary for me. Also seeing getting invovled at a young age is not out of the ordinary either. As a society, hunting is no longer seen as a need, but as a past time that is enjoyed by the whole family. It might seem extreme to you, but it may be normal for her family. At least she's getting outside and getting exercise that so many kids today are not getting. It's something that she enjoys doing, but I don't hear everything you hear so it may be another story.


myLot reputation of 96/100. webeishere (12986)   ranked 291 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

I fully understand your stance here.
But at what age do you think a child shpuld be when one should teach them to hunt etc? Minnesota just passed a law where 10 years old is the youngest age to be leagally able to hunt. It was 12 till this year. I feel 12 is a perfect age to teach them if one desires. I think 7 is WAY too young no matter the families structure etc. Just me I guess.
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myLot reputation of 92/100. ladysakurax (875)   ranked 1,347 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

i agree that it's good for children to go out and do activities such as playing in the park, riding a bycicle, sleep over a friend's house are all good. But for a 7 years old to go hunt an animal, it's just something really unusual to me. I don't think it's right that hunting would be viewed like a sort of fashion. But I think this differ from place to place. have a good day.


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Thanks for sharing here, creative_angel. Everybody has a different view on this of course, and it's definitely not anything I'd ever want to participate in. I'm guessing that the legal age for hunting must vary from state to state? Sadly, there are a lot of problems in this little girl's family, and they are having a negative impact on her. She has become overly obsessed with hunting, and is always talking about weapons of some sort. This is just not good (for her.)

I think twelve is a good age for allowing kids to hunt, for those who are inclined, Grandpa Bob. It's really unfortunate that the age has been lowered to ten. There are some major problems in this child's family, and the real threat is her dad. I'm just afraid of where all of this could lead. This little girl shouldn't be going hunting at age seven, as it's just way too young (I feel.) In her case, it's causing an obsession with killing things, and weapons.

Yes, ladysakurax, there are a lot of wonderful activities that kids of this age should be enjoying. This child does the things you've mentioned here too, but is way too preoccupied with hunting.

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)   ranked 335 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

I find it disturbing to and no I would not teach a small Child to hunt she is still a child and should be interested in other thing and not as I would call it Violence
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myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Hi gabs, happy

I really appreciate your response here. There have been (and continue to be), so many problems in this child's family. Her obsession with hunting just isn't good. Take care.

Hugs to you too.

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. Katlady2 (4477)   ranked 2,192 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

I think 7 years old is way too young for a child to be having ANYTHING to do with hunting or the "tools" that go along with it. And she definitely shouldn't have a hunting knife in her possession. None of that seems right to me. It's almost like they are trying to make their daughter grow up too fast. But that's just my opinion.


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Hi Katlady, happy

This is the way I feel about this too. It saddens me greatly, that she's become so preoccupied with all of this. She has been interested in it for quite sometime, for one so young. However, lately she's always talking about it, and there are already a lot of serious problems in her family. As for the hunting knife, she isn't allowed to carry it around, of course. The thing is though, it does belong to her, and her dad lets her take it out with them, on these hunting expeditions. I really appreciate your sharing here. Take care.

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5. myLot reputation of 99/100. ElusiveButterfly (9602)   ranked 830 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

In our time I don't feel it is necessary to teach children to hunt. One hundred years ago it was a necessary part of survival. People needed to hunt for much of their food. We can go to the grocery store to purchase what we need for survival.


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Hi ElusiveButterfly, happy

No, it really isn't a necessity, yet many enjoy it as a sport. It's certainly not for me though, and I don't think a seven year old needs to be involved in this. I know firsthand that there is a lot of trouble in this family. Her family 'does' eat the game they kill though. They all really enjoy it, including this little girl. Thanks so much for your response. Take care.

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6. myLot reputation of 93/100. CanadaGal (1628)   ranked 187 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

Going only by what you have written in this post, I don't think it's such a bad thing that the little girl is being taught the ways of her family. Hunting for pleasure to me is an issue, but if this family is doing it to hunt game for food, then I think there's nothing wrong with it.

I think it's a good thing that the girl's parents are teaching her how to properly use these devices. True, it's not the norm nowadays that a 7 year old child knows how to use a gun or hunting knife properly (I have 7 yr old twin sons, and can't imagine them with those items lol)... however, if she's being taught the proper care and use of them, then what's the harm in that?


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Hi CanadaGal, happy

True, many kids are taught to enjoy family hobbies, etc. Both of her parents take great pleasure in the sport of it, but they do also eat the game. The entire family love this type of food. Her dad is the one teaching her, and while he is extremely knowledgeable as a hunter, he has quite a lot of problems. Actually, there has been a lot of trouble in their household since the spring, and it is not resolved. This little girl's obsession with hunting and weapons is increasing, and it really saddens me. Thanks for sharing here. Take care.

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7. myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (12221)   ranked 1,557 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

I'm not really a pro-hunter advocate to begin with. Yes, it's one thing to actually hunt for food, but too many hunters just do it for the "sport" of it. I think seven is way too young for a child to get involved with the "pleasures" of hunting if that's what you want to call it. I can't help thinking by learning to hunt at such an early age could have repercussions in a sense teaching the girl a lack of kindness or respect for animals. Also, if this is the same family you once described to me there's a lot of trouble brewing in that girl's family and her knowledge of how to use weaponry could go real wrong..just like that kid in the article


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Hi pye, happy

This family is heavily into the sporting side of it, but they also love to eat the game. I also think that's way too young. She already views bunnies as something to kill, instead of finding them cute, as many kids do. sad Yes, these are my neighbours that I mentioned previously. Their problems are far from being resolved. This little girl has become quite aggressive, and is acting out in many ways. Not good.

I feel so horrible for that family down your way. Whatever the motive, their lives have been ruined in an instant, and changed forever.

I really appreciate your response here. Take care.

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8. myLot reputation of 96/100. katrhina23 (1097)   ranked 1,372 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

I just find this very disturbing. I just hope the child knows how to sue those stuff properly. I eman the child knows that those are for hunting purposes only and not for anything else. I am sure the father taught her those.


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

I too find it disturbing, as she's way too young to learn how to hunt. Her dad is teaching her, but the thing is, there's been a lot of serious problems in the family lately. These problems involve her dad, so this isn't good. Thanks for your response.

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9. myLot reputation of 92/100. ladysakurax (875)   ranked 1,347 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

My teacher told us one of his story when he was younger. His family lives in farms. He was 10 years old and his sister was 6. Crops were tall so when children play in there, it's hard to see them through. And all of a sudden someone shot his sister right between her eyes. The person who shot her was the son of the neighborh. He took the gun from his parents and wanted to try it out. Most probably he didn't know there were people in the crops. In this situation, it's hard to give the blame. The child or the parent? It was really hard for my teacher's family though but they didn't put the blame on anyone. I just think that having the presence of a gun is dangerous enough. In Canada, guns are illegal and most canadians are against hunting but this differ from country to country. Just to see that the child you were babysitting has a knife, it's shocking enough to me. I think it's better to avoid giving weapons to her just to be safe. They take alot of risk doing this and it seems hat they don't think about consequences. Children killing animals is just crazy...I would even say that her parents are beyong nuts. Parents here won't even buy violent games which are rated for 18 for their children...and that little girl has a knife? ...all I can say is that the logic of this world is now ending.


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

What a terrible thing to happen to your teacher's sister. cry I live in Ontario Canada, and 'legal permits' can be obtained for guns. I also believe that there are many Canadians who enjoy hunting, both for sport, and to eat the game they kill.

This little girl doesn't carry the knife around, but is allowed to take it with her, when out hunting with her dad. It really makes me sad, to hear her talking about hunting all of the time. Her mom is a good person, and really loves her daughter. I believe her dad loves her too, but he is quite a troubled man.

"Parents here won't even buy violent games which are rated for 18 for their children...and that little girl has a knife? ...all I can say is that the logic of this world is now ending."

You've mentioned violent video games here. I'm wondering what country you live in?

I really appreciate your response. Take care.






myLot reputation of 92/100. ladysakurax (875)   ranked 1,347 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

I didn't know that you live in Canada. Now this shocks me even more. lolz Actually, I also live in Canada but in Quebec. I know there are a few people hunting but to know that children also get involved in this, it's just unusual to me. here, most things are controlled. I know some parents who wouldn't buy them any violent games and i am not talking about the soldiers shooting at each other or something. I mean more mature games. But of course they are some exceptions. After hearing my teacher's story, I just felt that this is very wrong. Not only this could affect her but accidents can happen as well. Children should not grow up so fast. I hope things will get better for her family and they will chance something about this and that the little girl won't develop any strange attitude.


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

Thanks so much for coming back in here. It's really very interesting, how things are so different from one province to the next. I would not have expected to hear that you're from Quebec. I am against excessively violent video games too (for anyone.) I just find them disturbing. As for this little girl, I trust what you've mentioned is true. I truly hope she doesn't develop a serious problem, because of all of this. She really is important to me, and I know her so well, after being her babysitter for all of these years. Take care.

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10. myLot reputation of 90/100. jordan04n (370)   ranked 3,656 out of 9,011 in parenting   4 years ago

This doesn't sound good in any way to me. Violence is seen too much by children today so they think they should be a part of it. The parents are obsessed and it has trickled down to the child. She has been taught that this activity ts important to her parents so it is important to her. No child this age needs to hunt. We do not live in the wilderness and need to hunt for food. Some one in upper authority needs to check out this family situtation ASAP.


myLot reputation of 99/100. someonesmom (2277)   ranked 27 out of 9,011 in parenting  4 years ago

I don't think it's a good thing either. Both of her parents love to hunt for sport, and they all enjoy eating the game they've killed. It's true that many parents pass on the things they love, to their kids. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as they are good things. However, I believe seven is too young for a child to go hunting. She has become obsessed with this, and often talks about it. Actually, her family has been having a lot of problems. The authorities are involved. It just saddens me, to see all of the changes in this little girl, and many of them not for the good. Thanks for sharing here. Take care.

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