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| I was watching the View today (still am) and they were talking about the heated discussions they've had in the past. Whoopi mentioned the debate they had on the fact that she prefers to be called black not African American. I was pleasantly surprised because I thought I was the only one who was bothered by being called African American. My stance is this...some of my ancestors were brought over here on the deck of the boat and some were brought over packed like sardines under the deck. Both went through a lot to get here and both fought for my rights to stay here and life free. The one's on the top deck were escaping religious persecution and the one's underneath were bought and then sold here. The slaves fought for this country, the right to be free and the right to be called Americans. I owe my ancestors...the various white ones and the various black ones, to own my American heritage. I think we all owe it to our ancestors, especially those who fought for equality for all of us, to proclaim ourselves Americans. The only artificial (for lack of a better term) American is the foreigner. If one ventures over to this country, applies for citizenship and is awarded citizenship then at that point he is an artificial or prefix American and he is more than welcomed. You can be African, Polish, French, Mexican, etc., if you become a citizen then you are African, Polish or whatever - American. I'm not a prefix American. I was born here. I'm simply American. If you must know attach a prefix to American then Black American is enough. I understand the melting pot and needing to know how many of which shades are milling around the country for census purposes, but if we want to be exact then I'm not Black American either, I'm more of a Caramel Mocha American. But I won't split hairs. I have never been to Africa, not that I don't want to go, many of my relatives have gone there for vacation, but I can't afford it. I do know that when they were there they were still considered Americans, not an Africans. I'm not African and can't claim it as my own. I have no desire to become a citizen of any country in Africa nor do I feel the need to find my original roots in Africa. I have roots in almost every country (apparently my ancestors on my father's side were loose little rabbits) There was a lot of blood spilled and a lot of injustices to overcome for me to not own my country. I am American and proud of it! Which do you prefer and why? All Americans are welcome to reply and voice their opinions? Foreigners can reply too. I would be curious as to whether these various titles are attached in other parts of the world. | | | | | |
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1. savypat (13311)
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3 years ago
| | I agree we certainly don't refer to yellow Americans, of red Americans why should we say black Americans. If you are an American that is what you are. | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | Thanks for replying...I still ask myself that question. | | | |
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2. thebeaddoodler (2880)
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3 years ago
| | I can very easily see your view point. They don't insist on saying English American, or French American. It hurts me to feel that I have to walk on eggshells and refer to certain races by their color or nationality. 4 of my great grandchildren are "half black"? Nope! they're just my great grandchildren. Why isn't that enough? Generation after generation of their fathers' families were born here, just like generation after generation of their mothers' families were. | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | Don't feel obligated. Stay above the fray. I try to avoid the distinctions as much as possible. I'm successful a good deal of the time but it is hard when you get dragged down that road. | | | |
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3. leenie50 (2134)
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3 years ago
| | Hi Marian, Just last night I was reading oveer your profile a little bit. I was going through my friends to delete any that weren't participating anymore. I'm glad I didn't delete you. Your post hit me as a truth well said. I understand what you are saying and I agree with your with your line of thinking. What I don't understand is why some feel the need to complicate the issue. As you said, you are a Black American, I am a white American. Where is the question in that simple statement? My heritage is a combination of Ethnicities but the bottom line is I'm a White American. If you and I stand face to face, the obvious facts are you are Black and I am White. No brainer. But as a friend on Mylot, all I would want to know is how you are and what are we going to do to entertain ourselves in our first meeting. Iwould be there to meet you not to find out if you consider yourself African American or Black! There is so much more important things to learn about you, my new friend, than that. Thankyou for your post, it was much appreciated. Hugss leenie | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | Thank you. I'm glad you didn't delete me! I've been busy with school and taxes. I may be off the radar for a bit after today. School work is due by Saturday at midnight. I'll get back on though. I like to write and comment so if you don't see me for awhile it's probably because school is kicking my butt, but I'll be back. | | | |
leenie50 (2134)
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3 years ago
| | Don't worry Marian, I certainly won't delete you. I haven't been taking care of my friends lately because of my computer problems. It's been so frustrating. We all have lives outside of mylot and we all know this. We'll be here when we can. leenie | | | |
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4. CatsandDogs (6424)
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3 years ago
| | I have to say that I agree with you 100%. If one is born here then they're an american but if they were born elsewhere and come here and apply for citizenship, then they're what ever the country/race and then american. Being a white person, I do understand your plight to make your ancestors proud because of the fight they fought for your freedom however, as long as we're not the blame or hated because it wasn't us who did the awful things but our ancestors are the ones who were so barbaric. I'm so happy things have changed for the better. Now if only we could show the world how to get along no matter what race a person is. | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | That's exactly it. American is American. I think all of this labeling is political. I don't recall being asked what I would like to be called, it just appeared out of nowhere. I woke up African American and I don't know how it happened. I didn't get the memo! | | | |
CatsandDogs (6424)
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3 years ago
| | LOL There's just no one size fits all, is there? Now find that memo!! Where is it? LOL | | | |
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5. mommaj (1305)
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3 years ago
| | This was very well said. An American is an American and a foreigner a foreigner. Not all black people even have decendants from Africa. Yeah I know go figure that one out! | | | | | | |
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mommaj (1305)
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3 years ago
| | LOL. Yep, disgusting. | | | |
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6. Lore2009 (3518)
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3 years ago
| | I'm actually a "Japanese American". I've never lived in Japan either but my relatives are from there. During the second war JAs struggled through internment camps and discrimination and they fought for our country, but MY personal ancestors were in Japan during those times as the 'enemy'. Some JAs don't like first generation babies to be considered the same as them because they fought against those grandparents. So there are different meanings if you are a Japanese American. People become confused when I answer that I'm American when they ask for my nationality. | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | You were born here so you're American. Let them figure it out. It's not difficult. The only way I'd question someone as an American is if they have an accent. Sometimes that's not even a tell because some cultures are extremely segregated and only converse amongst themselves (which is an injustice to themselves, but that's another post). If someone tells me their American, I'm fine. That's all I need to know. I may ask further questions if I'm surrounded by people who don't speak a word of English but other than that, I don't need to know which type of American, usually it's obvious or it's not really important. | | | |
Lore2009 (3518)
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3 years ago
| | Oh, always, I let them figure it out. And of course I don't mind answering questions if they are curious about my relatives... and I'll tell them what I know, but if they are asking my nationality it is certainly American. | | | |
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7. Opal26 (14496)
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3 years ago
| | Hi marian! I think what you wrote was quite eloquent and to the point! You have the right to be considered an American as that is what you are! I agree with you that there is no need to attach anything else to it! I am White or Caucasian, but I too am an American! I don't feel the need to bring color or race or nationality into the mix either! My boyfriend is Black. He refers to himself as an African American. If that makes him feel better so beit! I guess it depends on who you speak to and how they feel about themselves. My boyfriend and his family were all born here so I have no idea why he refers to himself that way. But, I leave it at that. I am a huge fan of Whoopi's and I commend her for speaking out on how she feels too! I wish that everyone was on the same page about this, but everyone has the right to think and say whatever they want to. As long as we all know that we are Americans and that is the most important thing to remember! Thank you marian for being honest and for giving such a thoughtful and intelligent view on such an important topic! | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | I think some people jump on the bandwagon when something comes along because they like to feel included. Some people depending on how old (or young) they are, don't really know anything else. I was around when we were Afro American. I didn't like that one either. What am I, a hair-do? We just need to be comfortable being Americans. Nothing more, nothing less. | | | |
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8. Foxxee (2694)
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3 years ago
| | Well said! I have to agree with everything you stated here. I also saw in another comment from you about a job application that you would write "human" under race... I had to laugh because at times I myself wonder why these applications still ask what race someone is... why does it matter? I think that should be taking off applications... Anyway, good post! | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | I agree. We don't need to know exactly what type of American someone is. All we need to know is if they are legal citizens and qualified for the position. | | | |
GardenGerty (35328)
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3 years ago
| | I think that somewhere there is still something that allows extra Federal money for different races (affirmative action?) or maybe it is just brownie points now. It is not fair to anyone involved though to award or withhold funding or jobs because of genetics. | | | |
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9. moonlitmagikchild (8089)
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3 years ago
| | well i would say black but i have found that more people get irritated when i called them black than african american so i just started calling them african american.. i think its stupid because like you said its your ancestors and heck no one really is from here except for the native americans yet no one calls me irish american or italian american etc.. but i figure i will call people what they wont be offended by so that is my reasoning behind saying one adn not the other | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | I agree. I wouldn't want to offend so if someone feels more comfortable being labeled as oppose to just being, then to each his own. Call them whatever they like. I prefer to concentrate on things of substance like one's personality and morality. But hey, some people sweat the small stuff so do what keeps you out of their cross hairs! | | | |
GardenGerty (35328)
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3 years ago
| | I think I will call you Marian, or friend. | | | |
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10. vzihan (123)
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3 years ago
| | Hi.I am a Chinese,and my girlfriend is Muslem and has a different blooding with normal Chinese;we are living in China.We dont call her Muslem Chinese,besause we are living in the same country.More important, we are growing up in the Chinese-culture.We have no different in our life including job,education except some living habit. In my opinion,Amirica is a more free and just country,so all the people there should be equal. I believe that culture is the most important factor. If your are growing up in American culture, you are American. No doubt about it! | | | | | | |
marianstallings (115)
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3 years ago
| | Agreed. Being born in America and living the American culture pretty much makes you American. Because American is a melting pot we have a little of every culture in every household which is in essence what makes America, American. I eat lasagna, pierogies, burritos, crepes, greek chicken, etc. I adopt any good food into my diet! I will go to any show just as long as it's entertaining. I incorporate as much culture into my little world as I can because I want to know what other people are doing, eating and thinking. | | | |
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