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myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics 3 years ago

We've talked about "choice" and what it means in the context of abortion, but what about other decisions parents make for their offspring?

Apparently mothers have the "right" to abort their fetuses, but that seems to be where freedom of choice ends. How?

How many people respect the rights of parents to decide what form of health care is best for their kids? Many people don't even think there should be a choice.

Should innoculations be required by law, on the time table set by health departments and the DCD? What penatly should be imposed on parents who choose not to get their kids innoculated? Should parents even have the opportunity to choose against it?

Is medicine the only form of health care available? Chiropractic, homeopathy, accupunture, accupressure, applied kinesiology, nutrition and other forms of health care are all legal. Should parents have the right to choose either of these over medicine? If not, what do you think the government should do about parents who refuse medical treatment for kids, in favor of other systems?

We use terms like "Freedom" and "Choice" a lot, but do we really believe in them, or do we insist on them for ourselves, but not for anyone who uses them to do things we don't agree with?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 92/100. dlr297 (2879)   ranked 427 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

The parents should have the freedom to chose what type of health care that their children receive. Prescription medicine is not always the best choice with all the side effects that it has. Each person should be able to choose what they want to do.


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Exactly! But that isn't the reality, is it.


myLot reputation of 92/100. dlr297 (2879)   ranked 427 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

No its not but it should be.

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2. myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11660)   ranked 328 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Of course I believe parents should have the right to choose what kind of health care their children receive, including chiropractic and other "natural" treatments. They shouldn't be forced to load them up with antibiotics whenever they get the sniffles. Regarding inoculations, that's sometimes a different story; as long as there are dangerous communicable diseases that could still be a threat to all children, do you really think it should be OK for some parents to choose not to have their children protected against them? That puts everyone at the risk of a serious and deadly epidemic. Once a disease has been more or less conquered, as was the case with smallpox a few decades ago, then there should be a choice for awhile until the vaccination is phased out. That's how it was when my daughter was small and our doctor advised against her getting it and I followed his advice. I know this is getting into touchy territory, but what about parents who may refuse lifesaving treatments such as blood transfusions for religious reasons? Do YOU think the parents should have the choice to allow their child to die? I intend no offense to anyone but I do NOT!
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myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Yes, I agree a line has to be drawn, but where? And what responsibility should the health departments and medical community be held to when innoculations cause illness, injury or death?

Also, if we know for a fact that kids don't have a fully developed immune system until they are 4 or 5, why are we pumping them full of garbage at birth?

Would you ever feed your baby any food that came with the same warning labels as innoculation?

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3. myLot reputation of 69/100. miamilady (2490)   ranked 303 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

You pose some good questions. Personally, I always went the "conformist" route when it came to having my children vaccinated, but, from what I understand there are ways around that. Of course, you have to be more of a person who takes the time to find things out. I've had friends who didn't believe in vaccination, I thought I heard that there were ways around it (stating religious beliefs), but I'm not certain if I'm right there.

Should parents be able to choose what type of healthcare to seek for their children? I guess I'd be a hypocrite if I said no, right?

Actually, for the most part, I think parents should have the right to choose.
There are a variety of healthcare approaches, I've known people who are strong believes in alternative medicines and primarily use them.

I'm not as on top of things as you are, when it comes to current laws and all the details, but I thought for the most parent parents can choose which type of healthcare they use for their children.

I almost want to say that there might be SOME cases where the government should step in, there might be cases of pure neglect. I think in that case, it would be acceptable.

As for cases where a family refuses blood transfusions etc. I am honestly on the fence about that. In my mind it would fall into the category of similar questions such as euthenasia for those who are terminally ill and the arguments and questions that arise with life support. I think those are questions that individuals must answer for themselves.


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

True, a line does have to be drawn, but the question is, where do we draw it? Some would say, "when the life of the child is threatened", but then what do we say when the treatment ends up being what kills the child?

If we are going to pass laws taking the choice from parents, what responsibility do we have to the parents and the children if they are harmed by what we force upon them?

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4. myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)   3 years ago

Inoculations prevent the spread of infectious disease, and someone doesn't have the right to exercise their choice at the expense of the community at large.

Children aren't property to be disposed of or dealt with as we see fit. I have the right to experiment with any health care I deem appropriate for ME, but I don't have the right to endanger my child. And I have the right to not get vaccinated, but I don't have the right to put my child's safety or health at risk. And the fact is that nations that practice vaccinations don't have children dying from diseases that those vaccinations have all but wiped out.

The same is true for "alternative" medicines. While some treatments are promising, a great many more amount to nothing more than dangerous snake oil. A parent has a grave obligation to get their child whatever care they need without further endangering their lives and safety.

It's a delicate balance, I know, but I see myself as the guardian of my childrens' well being; they aren't guinea pigs or billboards or property.


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

So what rights (if any) do you respect for parents?

Also, if it is the innoculation (or any other forced treatment) that causes the death or illness, what responsibility do we have to the children and the parents?


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

My rights as a parent do not extend to the right to endanger my children. Other than that I support parental autonomy. However, parental autonomy is predicated on the belief that parents will always do what's best for their kids and put their needs above their own. Children cannot protect and care for themselves and look to their parents to do it.

I don't know of anyone dying from getting MMR or Polio vaccines, but I do know that people die from those diseases and others. It's simple risk management.




myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

90,000 people are killed every year by the medical industry. There are more people killed by infections contracted at hospitals than from AIDS.

The only people getting polio and small pox in the US anymore get it from the innoculation.

I'm not against innoculations, but I am against takign the choice away from parents.

What responsibility do you feel towards those who get diseases or die from a treatment you think should be required?


myLot reputation of 48/100. sndcain36 (2691)  3 years ago

Are you saying 90,000 die from vaccinations or just from medical mistakes? Considering how many people seek medical attention every year I'm guessing that's probably not a bad record at all.

There is a difference between medical neglect and malpractice and someone having an unexpected reaction to a proven medical therapy.

Let me as you this: should a parent be held responsible when they refuse vaccinations and their child dies from the disease? Should a parent have that sort of life or death power over their child? I know pro abortion people believe that, but I certainly don't.

If I believed vaccinations were dangerous or ineffective, then I wouldn't allow my children to get them no matter what the government said. But the facts are what they are and it's irresponsible to not get one's child vaccinated.


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

No, if I were talking about malpractice and neglect, the number would be much higher. I'm talking about people who died from complications of correct diagnosis and treatment.

Not bad at all? When combined it falls between unintentional injury and diabetes in the top causes of death in the US.

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"should a parent be held responsible when they refuse vaccinations and their child dies from the disease?"

Yes, there must be a line drawn, but not where it takes all choice away from the parents.

I aks you again, if we do force innoculations or any other treatment on kids against their will, or the will of their parents, what responsibility do we have to those injured or killed by the treatments?


"Should a parent have that sort of life or death power over their child?"

Are we willing to force that power on out government and the medicial industry?

"If I believed vaccinations were dangerous or ineffective, then I wouldn't allow my children to get them no matter what the government said. But the facts are what they are and it's irresponsible to not get one's child vaccinated."

That doesnt' even include severe allergic reactions, which cause 106,000 deaths per year. http://www.aaaai.org/pati...

On that link, pay special attention to the "What are common drugs that cause an allergic reaction?" hint... "Vaccines and biotechnology-produced proteins - such as Herceptin" is one of the bullet statements.


How many medications are taken off the market because they were found to be unsafe years, even decades after they were approved? How many people have been told "we did all we could" about a loved one, only to find out later that the treatment is what killed them.

We used to use a "wonder drug" in ambulances called, "Isoproterenol" it was the first thing a paramedic or ER doctor reached for when a patient's heart rate dropped too low. It was used widely for over a decade... until someone in a lab figured out that it actually did more harm to the heart than good. Yes, eventually they learned the problem... but after how many thousands of deaths?

How many kids were inflicted with Reyes Syndrome before 1980 when it was learned that simple old "aspirin" was the culprit. Remember "children's aspirin"?

How many people were killed or injured by Phen Fen...

How many are still be being injured or killed by the very meds we are taking today, but will someday here the news that they killed or injured.

Don't take this to mean that I'm against medicine, I'm not. I have a degrees in paramedicine and health.

What I am saying is, there is nothing so important about the medical industry that we should make it mandatory.... and to say there are no alternatives is just a lie.

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5. myLot reputation of 31/100. chuan258641xing (108)   3 years ago

a baby came from other place I awalys think it is right may be they are from other place when we going to die we will go to other place start a new life but will forget about the life we living now ,no matter you do what for the new life ,it will keep on living , you just like a legate who open the door to welcome them if you dont open it they may wait for you to open or go to anthoer door ,all this just besid on what are you thinking!for me I'll do the determind at the beginning

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6. myLot reputation of 75/100. irishidid (3461)   ranked 838 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

If we lose the right to choice in the health care of our children, losing our right to be able to decide what is best for their health can't be far behind.
When my son went in to have his tonsils out and the nurse made a comment about my only imagining he was allergic to penicillin or "Your daughter's not really autistic, she's just quirky." Without my right to have a say over my kids health, where would they be right now?

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7. myLot reputation of 77/100. valpopa (129)   ranked 1,882 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

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myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Medicine is also "good in some cases, bad in others".

The law seems to favor the medical industry above all others. However, we are still mostly free to choose for ourselves and our children, I just want to keep it that way.

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8. myLot reputation of 41/100. angela38 (120)   3 years ago

If you ask me we are making a huge mistake when we let people tell us how we should and should not be able to take care of ourselves or them we are taking care of. In my case it is the government telling me that because of the plan I am on in healthcare wise many of the things I need for me to help me better my health the insurance will not cover it that I am on. Then thry come along and tell us how we need to take care of a child, Is it any wonder why that people do not at times go to the doctor for their kids? If you ask me they do not want the assle affter the visitr is over with about what will and won't be paid after the visit by the coverage they have in the first place!


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Yes, those are decent points, thanks.

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9. myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19608)   ranked 218 out of 3,985 in politics   3 years ago

Parents should have the choice for the health care their children get. I also wonder why that a nurse in a school cannot give a child a tylenol, but a girl can get an abortion with no trouble. AFter all a tylenol will not hurt anyone. And if a parent prefers another health care system, they should have the same right to choose.


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

Exactly, and thank you!

It aslo bothers me that school officials and school nurses will blatantly lie to parents, denying they are in their rights to sign waivers exempting their kids from the innoculation requirement.

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10. myLot reputation of 97/100. Debs_place (6749)   3 years ago

Parents should have some choices but it must be limited, when it can affected the general population their choices should be limited. For examples, if the parent does not want a child to get an injection for a communicable disease...well that is not acceptable.

And then I hate to bring this up, let's take a look at Jett Travolta...what happened there...well it seems his parents were in denial about his condition and they were not getting it treated in an appropriate manner. Sorry, a religion that endangers a child's life is not an allowable choice.

Or where the kids get hugged to death in a church!!!

I think most forms of alternative medical treatment can be used in conjunction with standard medical practices.


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6340)   ranked 324 out of 3,985 in politics  3 years ago

So what responsibility do you feel towards the children who are harmed by the medical industry? I'm not talking about malpractice, that's already covered. If you advocate forcing parents to get medical treatment for their kids, do you feel any obligation when that medical treatment causes illness, injury or death?

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