Thurs. President Obama Hosted the First Ever Seder In the White House. WHY?  

Google the story. They have pictures and everything. I did not see any kippot on any heads. I also did not see a Rabbi. They were just folks that worked in the White House and friends.

He is getting ready to sell Israel down the river. I think this was the kiss off. Just like Hitler, the first thing you do is denigrate the Jewish customs and people before you strike. He just denigrated the Passover Seder, one of the most important memories of the Jewish People.

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Obama's name intersects Daniel 7:25

OK Free I'll bite How?

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bible code. his name intersects "and words as an adversary of the Most High it doth speak, and the saints of the Most High it doth wear out, and it hopeth to change seasons and law; and they are given into its hand, till a time, and times, and a division of a time"

Also his name = 501
The connection is that the descendants of Yishmael are the evil that will befall the Jewish People at that time. We will anger G-d through the (work of our hands,=501),
At our Passover seders we spill a drop of wine when we mention each of the 10 plagues, and also when we mention the abbreviation of those plagues, Well this abbreviation of the 10 plagues also has a gematria of 501, the same as Barack Hussein Obama and the Yishmaelim.

You have been very busy!

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I fear for Israel.

So do all Jews. But, Israel is strong in spirit and faith and arms.

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And those who know their G-D will do exploits, and 1 will chase away 10 and 10 will put to flight 100, My paraphrase.

He is denegrating the Jews. He is putting down the most important of days for a Jew. First by celebrating it on the wrong day and then by not even having a Rabbi there to lead the Seder. No on had a kippah on their head out of respect. In the pictures there were no Haggadah Books so they did not read the Haggadah which is necessary for a Seder. No they were denegrating the Jews.

Obama was taking the first step that Hitler took before he destroyed the European Jews. Obama does not like the Jews. He is all pro Arab.

Shalom~Adoniah

I agree you have a point and it could be history repeating itself. Sadly the only real news we have here about president Obama is that he is black, something the news people thnk we may not have noticed. nothing has been said about his beliefs or his political ideas. I think if I were Jewish I would take this behaviour as an insult and maybe as you do as a threat.

Obama is very arrogant. He has disrespected many of our allys. He has not been polite to the PM of England or the Queen. He treats the past president of France like he was still president and completely ignores the current President. The head of Germany is a woman to be dealt with. I do not think he can get away with disrespecting her. She will put him in his place publicly. And good for her too.

Shalom~Adoniah

Wow Adoniah, sounds like your describing the little horn LOL

The problem is that Obama is ready to "cut Israel loose". The U.S. and Israel have always had close ties because Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and the only country that likes the U.S. in the Middle East. But Obama only likes Arabs not Jews and has made it very clear in the last month. He wants to make friends with Hamas who have lobbed bombs into Isreal everyday for 13 years I believe. He wants to make friends with Iran who wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. And he bowed to the Saudi King.

Now he plays at having a Seder in the White House without even a Rabbi there to lead it? That is once again Denegrating the Jews. This is how Hitler started. I cannot help but see the similarity and the hatred.

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I have to start watching more American news. I didn't know all this. And it's scary in the extreme. So our politicians being worried about Obama's 'muslim' ties/sympathies are not so far off the mark?

I don't know. I kind of thought bowing all the way down, to the Saudi King, and then just shaking hands with the Queen of England who is actually an ally, told the true story.

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Maybe he just lost a contact?

Lost 'contact' with reality maybe.......................

More like it Spark.

I looked at some new pics, and they did have some paper books that were probably the Haggadah. I do not want to state something that is not true.

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Well at least after that deep bow he didn't turn around.

Whether he 'turns around' or not, the whole thing is still scary and you have to wonder what his agenda is for the direction of the administration, let alone the country. I for one don't fancy getting too cosey with the Muslim countries, and not because of the people, but because of the incredible differences in eastern and western ideologies which will never find enough common ground to co-exist peacefully, especially if big bucks are involved................

They definitely have different agendas.

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He had the whole thing filmed and put on the net. He is very much aware of what he was doing. He made the statement that this was the first ever Seder in the White House, but he would not answer why he did it although he was asked serveral times why he did it. There were no Jews there and no Rabbi there. Non Jews do not celebrate with a Seder. They do the Easter thing or nothing at all.

This was not Impromtu. It was well thought out and well publicized.

Shalom~Adoniah

So are you thinking Adoniah that this is a sign for Israel that they are on his short list? I remember Bidin saying that something would happen half way though his first year and that the majority of Americans would not think they made the right decision, I remember when he said that I said Oh My, they're going to attack Israel.

America is not going to attack Israel. They are going to leave her out in the cold to be attacked!

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To me it is the same. Like David commanding that Uriah be left in the front and for him to be left unsupported. Yes David himself didn't kill him, but he still died at Davids hand. Whether or not America sends in "Peace keepers" to force a resolution or stands back and allows Israel to be attacked is still the same thing. The USA could make new roads for the peace without sacrificing Israel. Jordon and Egypt have a good peace with Israel and receive great benefits for doing so. Syria, Saudi Arabia and even Iran could benefit from a lasting peace.

Israel will most likely make a separate deal with Syria. I think they already have something going under the table with the Saudis since the Saudis do not want Iran to go nuclear any more than Israel does. It is mostly Hamas, Iran, and Obama that Israel has to worry about.

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He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown; but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

ok.

lol I can't help it.

Almost everyone who goes to Israel goes to the Wailing Wall. I would expect him to do that. Even women are allowed to go there now. That area holds meaning to all faiths.

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If this would have been GWB, the media would be screaming how much of an idiot he is, how he didn't do it right, the left would be screaming separation of church and sate, some would call for the impeachment of him for offending Israel, others would call him a religious nut while others would find fault and say it was a zionist conspiracy to take over the USA. But nothin Baraak does can be wrong.

It has been proven that the christ did not die at passover. He did not celebrate his last meal at a Seder although I am sure that he did celebrate Seder every year of his life. The christ was a Jew, it is appropriate for a Jew to celebrate the Exodus from slavery. It is not appropriate for other religions to celebrate it with a Seder, when they do not have any idea what they are doing.

Seder means order. There is a specific order of things to be done, said, prayed, sung, and eaten. The Jews were the ones held in slavery not the christians, muslims or pagans. It was the Jews who were led out of slavery by G'd. They are the ones who follow the proscribed Seder.

Passover and Yom Kippur are the two most revered times. They are not to be toyed with by someone playing at hosting a Seder.

Obama did not even have a Haggadah at the table.

Shalom~Adoniah

He did not win any popularity contests with the Conservative or Orthodox Jews of the World!

Shalom~Adoniah

I can certainly believe that!

I would never dream of preforming a catholic mass and presuming to transmute the bread and wine into the body and blood of christ. It would be the ultimate insult to every catholic.

I doubt that Obama would insult any other religion by preforming one of their most important services like that. But because it was a Jewish service, it is OK to do whatever he wanted to because Jews do not count. Do you see now what I am talking about? He would not have dared to do this to any other religion, just the Jewish religion. Definitely not the Muslim religion.

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Although he can recite the call to prayer in "perfect 1st class Arabic accent" was a report from the NY Times. http://www.city-data.com/...

Well, Free, he did go to a muslim school for awhile at least, and the saying goes: once a muslim always a muslim. I said this through the whole campaign, but what do I know. I'm just a woman and a Jew at that.

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Reciting this make you a muslim for ever according to muslims. What do I know, I am a closed minded man of unspecified origin.

Well, be careful not to recite it in arabic or you will be a muslim of no specific origion.lol

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Funny thing is I know part of it, I have said it in Arabic, my friend from Egypt said that I said it with a world class southern accent.

He seems to go out of his way to insult everyone except the muslims of course. He bows to Arabs and goes out of his way to set up pleasant meetings to speak to our enemies.

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There are many ‘types’ of Christians, and many of them are not real or sincere, I am sorry to say.

I am a Christian, and love the Jewish people. Many of us pray for Israel and the Jewish people often – and pray for the ‘peace of Jerusalem’ as the Bible tells us to do in Revelation.

I attended a Seder several years ago. It was a very interesting time. Many Christians are attending Seders, because they want to learn more about the Jewish people and their feast days.

I respectfully submit, that the resurrection of Jesus Christ ‘has’ been proven, but it is the ‘choice’ of folks to not believe. Sorry if this angers you. I am not intending to do that, but couldn’t let that statement go without a comment.

I am greatly concerned about the current president, and di not vote for him.

If America turns from our alliance with Israel and the Jewish people, we will be curse, because the Bible says that whoever curses Abraham and his descendants, will themselves be cursed – and turning away from them is the same as cursing them in God’s evaluation.

I believe part of why we are where we are at in this time of extreme hardship, is because of Amerida’s stand on dividing up the land of Israel, where the Palestian’s continue to want more and more land. They will never be satisfied.

In reality, they want it all. Even during the Bush administration, the Secretary of State (Rice), was working with the Palestian’s. this is wrong – God gave the various tribes within the Jewish people, their appointed lands, and it does “not” belong to anyone else.

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To be honest, I don't know much about Jewish ppl (other than they have different holidays and believe differently) or Isreal or the Palestian's. It's kind of like asking me about Chinese holidays...I wouldn't know b/c I'm not Chinese and don't celebrate their holidays. At the same time, I believe each person is entitled to worship who they want, when they want and how they want...as long as they don't force it on others. I also think it's disrespectful for ppl to make a mockery out of other ppl's holidays and beliefs.

As you said, you attended a Seder years ago and found it interesting. Considering that 0bama has made it a point to proclaim his Christian beliefs I find it senseless for him to suddenly throw a party for a holiday he doesn't celebrate.

You are right in that whether ppl choose to believe in God or not, is strictly their choice. I don't tell anyone that they have to believe or who to believe in, the same as I don't want anyone telling me.

~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~

**STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS**

Attending a well run Seder to learn is a good thing. It is always good to break bread with friends that you wish to learn more about. But to host a Seder and run it yourself when you do not have a clue and are not Jewish is ludicrous and wrong.

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